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MVN: 5 Players Who Could Decline in '08
Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 8:40 pm
by CanesSkins26
Earlier this week, I looked at 5 Redskins who seemed to be good bets to improve over last year. Today, I’ll take a look at a handful of guys who could be on the decline.
Corneilius Griffin
This is a bit tough to fathom, as Griffin hasn’t really been a serious contributor over the last two years. The Redskins opted not to extend his deal in a potential cap room creating move, so it’s clear the front office is wary of his production. The Redskins defense is typically stronger when Griffin is healthy and getting a nice push up the middle. He’s got injury problems that limit his effectiveness, but he is at the age where age itself may start to limit how many games he can play. For a team that just went an entire ten-pick draft without adding any interior line help, the Redskins are counting on Griffin more than ever for at least one more season.
Pete Kendall
In two months, Pete Kendall will celebrate his 35th birthday. Now, there is reason to think that Kendall might improve during his second year playing with Casey Rabach and Chris Samuels. Kendall might have been the player on the OL who was least affected by the Thomas and Jansen injuries. However, since Guards can play late into their 30’s before a significant decline, we have to wonder if Kendall is just now nearing the end of his effectiveness. If he was an above average player who declined due to age prior to becoming a Redskin, then he should be alright this year–at a similar skill level to last year. However, if Kendall was merely a career average player who is due to decline this season, the Redskins might have to rush Chad Rinehart into the starting lineup much quicker than originally expected.
Shawn Springs
To date, the only thing keeping Springs from being an elite cornerback is injury trouble. Well last year, he was entirely healthy and played at a high level. Unfortunately, Shawn Springs is now 33 years old, and each year from here on out is going to cost him some speed. The Redskins have good depth at corner, and by the time Springs has enough time to show if he’s still got it, Carlos Rogers should be back in the lineup. That’s the good news. The bad news is that the Redskins will face Eli Manning, Drew Brees, Matt Leinart, Tony Romo, and Donovan McNabb in the first five weeks of the season. If Shawn Springs can’t mask his age, the entire football universe is going to know it by October.
London Fletcher
Fans who remember a 2nd year Fletcher playing in Super Bowl 34 for the St. Louis Rams probably think he’s ancient. In reality, Fletcher turns 33 next week. That’s not a bad age for a middle linebacker; Zach Thomas was incredibly effective through his age 33 season, and Ray Lewis will also be turning 33 this week. Fletcher can probably still be counted on for this season in the middle.
The really critical part is this: what if he can’t be counted on? The only possible solution the Redskins have at linebacker right now is HB Blades, and Blades probably isn’t experienced enough to succeed in the middle just yet. The Redskins really need Fletcher to stay on the field, but they also need to get a veteran backup LB in here right away.
Andre Carter
Carter was a very nice value signing for the Redskins, and he was their best defensive lineman in 2007. With that said, the best measure of who a guy really is lies within his three year production. For Carter, that was 4.5 sacks, 6.0 sacks, and 10.5 sacks in 2005-2007. That averages out to 7 sacks a season. Carter isn’t particularly old; he’s still in his prime and playing at his best position finally, but the Redskins would be foolish to expect 2007 type production ever again from Carter. His real talent probably lies somewhere in between his 2006 and 2007 seasons.
The real question is this: If Andre Carter is good for 6-7 sacks a year in each of the next two seasons, can the Redskins keep their defense in the top half of the league, or is the secondary going to get exposed again? Time will tell, but at the very least, it is reason for concern.
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Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 11:01 pm
by fleetus
I say Carter and Fletcher continue at last years level, while the other three may drop some. I think all three, (Springs, Kendall and Griffin) are still well above average at their positions, but each carries an elevated injury risk. For that reason alone I think it is not unthinkable that we could lose 2 of those 3 to injury for more than a few games.
Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 12:44 pm
by CanesSkins26
I think all three, (Springs, Kendall and Griffin) are still well above average at their positions, but each carries an elevated injury risk. For that reason alone I think it is not unthinkable that we could lose 2 of those 3 to injury for more than a few games.
Griffin isn't above average anymore. He was a great players a couple of years ago, but he's become a pretty average player over the last two seasons.
Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 12:52 pm
by VetSkinsFan
I agree on everyone but Carter. Carter is a victim of his surroundings IMO. He needs 1 good partner on that line and we don't have one for him.
Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 2:12 pm
by yupchagee
VetSkinsFan wrote:I agree on everyone but Carter. Carter is a victim of his surroundings IMO. He needs 1 good partner on that line and we don't have one for him.
Carter had several outstanding yrs in SF, then they moved him to 3-4 OLB. He started playing well towards the end of 06 & continued into 07. I look for his play to continue to be at a very high level.
I see no reason to expect Fletcher to drop off. The other 3 it's just a matter of health.
Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 8:25 pm
by John Manfreda
man if all of them do wow. I don't see Carter, Fletcher, or Springs. The other two I can see.
Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 1:15 am
by HardDawg
Who writes this trash? This guys a joke!!!
Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 11:15 am
by LOSTHOG
John Manfreda wrote:man if all of them do wow. I don't see Carter, Fletcher, or Springs. The other two I can see.
I agree. Carter still should have 2 or 3 really productive seasons left before he starts declining. Fletcher is a tackling machine. Springs I worry about more from injury aspect than eroding skills. I know if he is out there he can perform.
Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 2:50 pm
by Bob 0119
Yeah, I'm not sure on his logic on Carter either. It's like choosing to see the glass half-empty.
He probably said the same thing about him last year. When his previous three year average was 4 sacks per year.
He probably also nailed him the year before when Carter first came to Washington saying that the transistion back to DE would be too challenging after playing LB for San Fran.
Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 3:37 pm
by USAFSkinFan
I hate to say it but i'm really worried about Jansen being mobile enough to be the player he once was... if he struggles, it'll put a lot of pressure in Campbell's face and in the west coast offense, we can't afford to use an extra blocker to help out on that side like we had to last year...
Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 3:43 pm
by CanesSkins26
I say Carter and Fletcher continue at last years level, while the other three may drop some.
So you're saying that you expect Griffin to decline, but not Carter and Fletcher? If Griffin declines, don't you think that that would affect Carter's and Fletcher's production? We're not very deep on the defensive line, especially on the interior, so I would imagine that if Griffin struggles that that would affect the rest of the defense.
Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 8:00 pm
by VetSkinsFan
CanesSkins26 wrote:I say Carter and Fletcher continue at last years level, while the other three may drop some.
So you're saying that you expect Griffin to decline, but not Carter and Fletcher? If Griffin declines, don't you think that that would affect Carter's and Fletcher's production? We're not very deep on the defensive line, especially on the interior, so I would imagine that if Griffin struggles that that would affect the rest of the defense.
Griffin hasn't been the dominant force he once was, and he will continue to decline.
Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 9:13 pm
by CanesSkins26
VetSkinsFan wrote:CanesSkins26 wrote:I say Carter and Fletcher continue at last years level, while the other three may drop some.
So you're saying that you expect Griffin to decline, but not Carter and Fletcher? If Griffin declines, don't you think that that would affect Carter's and Fletcher's production? We're not very deep on the defensive line, especially on the interior, so I would imagine that if Griffin struggles that that would affect the rest of the defense.
Griffin hasn't been the dominant force he once was, and he will continue to decline.
Right. And we don't really have anyone that can step up for him and pick up the slack. Montgomery is already a starter and Golston is purely a backup. Beyond that we have nobody worth mentioning on the interior. If Griffin continues to further decline I think that we can expect to see Carter's production decline as well.
Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 6:59 am
by VetSkinsFan
CanesSkins26 wrote:VetSkinsFan wrote:CanesSkins26 wrote:I say Carter and Fletcher continue at last years level, while the other three may drop some.
So you're saying that you expect Griffin to decline, but not Carter and Fletcher? If Griffin declines, don't you think that that would affect Carter's and Fletcher's production? We're not very deep on the defensive line, especially on the interior, so I would imagine that if Griffin struggles that that would affect the rest of the defense.
Griffin hasn't been the dominant force he once was, and he will continue to decline.
Right. And we don't really have anyone that can step up for him and pick up the slack. Montgomery is already a starter and Golston is purely a backup. Beyond that we have nobody worth mentioning on the interior. If Griffin continues to further decline I think that we can expect to see Carter's production decline as well.
It's been said that Daniels could move to DT at least part time. I'm satisfied(not happy) with that for this year. That leaves a glaring hole in Daniel's DE position though
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