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MVN: 5 Players Who Could Breakout in '08

Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 8:38 pm
by CanesSkins26
The “changing of the guard” happens faster in the NFL than in any other sport. In a five-year-span, a player can go from backup, to quality starter to team leader to a role player, and then all of a sudden the fan base wants him replaced.

It’s the main reason that so many people find football the toughest sport to prognosticate. Do you think Ohioian’s are more confident in Travis Hafner’s ability to bounce back right now, or about Rudi Johnson’s? They both struggled mightily in 2007, but an Indian’s fan probably expects Hafner to rebound. Is anyone confident that Johnson will ever regain his old form? Such is the way in football.

Because most players on a roster are at or past their primes, the natural trend of a football franchise is downward. This creates a parity effect. The only way to counteract the natural trend of a football team is to consistently add talent, sometimes in the form of a free agent, but usually through the draft. Most free agents tend to be on the downside of their careers, but they almost always replace inferior players in the lineup, creating a net gain. Think of London Fletcher replacing Lemar Marshall.

The Redskins are the oldest team in the NFL, so it is critical that they get a bunch of players to break out in order to keep the team in the running for the playoffs. Here are five guys who I think will be a lot better in 2008 than they were in 2007:

LaRon Landry

Simply speaking, it is between the first and second seasons where players grow the most in a single off-season. This is the first major improvement a player will make over his career, and every player will make it. For Landry, the signs of a massive improvement already manifested themselves at the end of last season. In the final four games, after Landry moved to free safety, he not only delievered highlight reel hits every week, but also started picking off passes, intercepting Matt Hasselbeck twice in the fourth quarter of the playoff game.

The mistakes were still there at the end of last season: discipline issues for one thing, as Landry netted 15 yard penalties in back to back weeks. However, as his coverage gets naturally more fluid, and he becomes more and more aggressive, we could be looking at one of the greatest safeties to ever play the game before too long.

Anthony Montgomery

After Landry, Montgomery’s development is by far the most critical, both on the team level and a personal level. He’s going to be playing the nose position again this year on defense, and he’s surrounded on defense by the following:

3 players who are contributors, but past their prime (Springs, Fletcher, Daniels)
2 players on the back end of their primes (Washington, Griffin)
2 players in their prime, but are coming off career years (Carter, Smoot)
2 players who are young and largely unproven (Doughty, McIntosh)
LaRon Landry

You could throw Montgomery in the young and unproven group, but he’s proven himself, at least at his current role of anchoring at the point of attack. That’s good enough to hold his job. However, if the Redskins are to avoid a collapse of the front seven, they will need the young guy, Montgomery, to improve his game into other areas. He’s got the skills to be a decent pass rusher, and the Redskins need to see that. Otherwise, it’s all about consistency with Montgomery. Can he be an every down player? Or will Phillip Daniels need to spell him on passing downs. He’s in a (restricted) contract year, so 1.5 million dollars depends on it.

Demetric Evans

Evans is a guy who has done very well in limited time, but has never really had a solid chance to make an impact. With a shortage of able bodies on the defensive line, he should get his chance this season. He’s 28, and very easily could beat out Phillip Daniels for the starting Left End job. Because of guys like Evans and Alex Buzbee, the Redskins did not feel that defensive end was a critical area of need this offseason.

Rocky McIntosh

Coming off injury, McIntosh seems poised to have a breakout year at linebacker. His knee might hold him back, even successful ACL surgeries are no laughing matter. McIntosh really needs to have a good year with Fletcher and Washington aging at linebacker. Look for Rocky Mac to start racking up the INTs starting this fall.

Stephon Heyer

Heyer will be back in the starting lineup as soon as Jon Jansen hits the injury report. He showed impressive feet in pass blocking last season, and though he was prone to allowing a sack every now and then, that should change with age. As he matures, he should develop into Jansen’s successor and Jason Campbell’s best friend. If he can open up holes in the outside running game this year, he will be a very valuable player if, of course, he even has to play.



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Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 11:59 am
by Bob 0119
Chris Cooley has made some noise about Reed Daughty making a splash this year. With Reed's family now healthy, and his concentration back where it belongs I'd say Cooley's not just blowing smoke here. We may see a great safety emerge out of nowhere with him.

I'm not so sure on Rocky. After seeing what happened to Lavar, it's become apparent that players with torn MCL/ACL's rarely recover to 100% and are higher risk or reinjuring the same ligament. Rocky was doing great last year, so we'll see.

Heyer may get the chance to start this year for Randy. If he can't get that arm healthy, he may be done in the NFL.

Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 12:59 pm
by VetSkinsFan
Landry I agree with. I don't think Evans is going to ever be a dominant force or he would have been already. The rest are 50/50.

Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 2:08 pm
by yupchagee
Bob 0119 wrote:Chris Cooley has made some noise about Reed Daughty making a splash this year. With Reed's family now healthy, and his concentration back where it belongs I'd say Cooley's not just blowing smoke here. We may see a great safety emerge out of nowhere with him.

I'm not so sure on Rocky. After seeing what happened to Lavar, it's become apparent that players with torn MCL/ACL's rarely recover to 100% and are higher risk or reinjuring the same ligament. Rocky was doing great last year, so we'll see.

Heyer may get the chance to start this year for Randy. If he can't get that arm healthy, he may be done in the NFL.


My understanding is that Rocky just had an ACL. Rogers had the combo. I agree about Reed. Evans rurns 29 at the beginning of the season. Kind of late for a breakout yr.

Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 2:20 pm
by Bob 0119
yupchagee wrote:
Bob 0119 wrote:Chris Cooley has made some noise about Reed Daughty making a splash this year. With Reed's family now healthy, and his concentration back where it belongs I'd say Cooley's not just blowing smoke here. We may see a great safety emerge out of nowhere with him.

I'm not so sure on Rocky. After seeing what happened to Lavar, it's become apparent that players with torn MCL/ACL's rarely recover to 100% and are higher risk or reinjuring the same ligament. Rocky was doing great last year, so we'll see.

Heyer may get the chance to start this year for Randy. If he can't get that arm healthy, he may be done in the NFL.


My understanding is that Rocky just had an ACL. Rogers had the combo. I agree about Reed. Evans rurns 29 at the beginning of the season. Kind of late for a breakout yr.


Yeah, I kinda went from specific to general there. I know Rocky's is an ACL, I just meant players that suffer either or both usually at best lose a step and at worst wash out of the league as injury-prone.

Carlos is a sad tale as he was just starting to turn things around and become a fair corner (not great, but better than his first two years), but now that he's had this injury it's going to be like starting all over again with him.

Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 6:22 pm
by John Manfreda
yupchagee wrote:
Bob 0119 wrote:Chris Cooley has made some noise about Reed Daughty making a splash this year. With Reed's family now healthy, and his concentration back where it belongs I'd say Cooley's not just blowing smoke here. We may see a great safety emerge out of nowhere with him.

I'm not so sure on Rocky. After seeing what happened to Lavar, it's become apparent that players with torn MCL/ACL's rarely recover to 100% and are higher risk or reinjuring the same ligament. Rocky was doing great last year, so we'll see.

Heyer may get the chance to start this year for Randy. If he can't get that arm healthy, he may be done in the NFL.


My understanding is that Rocky just had an ACL. Rogers had the combo. I agree about Reed. Evans rurns 29 at the beginning of the season. Kind of late for a breakout yr.

True but he has never gotten a chance to play every down. If he does get the chance I don't think its too late. To be honest I am suprised they didn't put Campbell on that list. I would rather see him breakout than anyone one of these guys. If Campbell breaks out our offense is going to be good. Good years for the Qb generally mean good offenses.

Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 7:31 pm
by SkinsFreak
I thought Rocky was heading for a breakout year last season before his injury. He was all over the place making plays. I hope he returns to form quickly, because if he can, and can remain healthy, I think he has a bright future. I know there's ??? with his knees, but I'm hoping for the best for him, I like him a lot.

Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 1:12 am
by HardDawg
Rock was our best LB draft pick since Levar. His ACL injury could be the end of him....although I'm miffed to have to admit it.

Fletcher could play for another 5 years at this rate...not worried at all.

Washington hasn't been the same since the arm injury. He needs to pick it up. Replaced by Sinclair or Blades?

Golston? No mention????

Montgomery is good to go.

Evens is a joke....Put Chris Wilson or Buzbee in...alternate them on passing downs.

Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 9:29 am
by tribeofjudah
HardDawg wrote:Rock was our best LB draft pick since Levar. His ACL injury could be the end of him....although I'm miffed to have to admit it.

Fletcher could play for another 5 years at this rate...not worried at all.

Washington hasn't been the same since the arm injury. He needs to pick it up. Replaced by Sinclair or Blades?

Golston? No mention????

Montgomery is good to go.

Evens is a joke....Put Chris Wilson or Buzbee in...alternate them on passing downs.


Yeah yeah..... I want to see a fresh crop and the bench warmers step up and play solid this year. I have high hopes for:

Sinclair
C. Wilson
Blades
Buzbee

Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 11:12 am
by LOSTHOG
tribeofjudah wrote:
Yeah yeah..... I want to see a fresh crop and the bench warmers step up and play solid this year.


It is possible to see some guys get their chance now. Sometimes players are not given the chance because of their coach (in this case GW), by either getting in the coach's dog house or sometimes the coach is too loyal to some vets. Blache may hold a true open competition for spots or at least wipe the slate clean for the players.

Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 2:57 pm
by John Manfreda
Laron Laundry, I think he is gonna be a monster this year.

Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 2:59 pm
by yupchagee
John Manfreda wrote:Laron Laundry, I think he is gonna be a monster this year.


He had a breakout yr last yr.

Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 3:29 pm
by USAFSkinFan
I love what Chris Wilson did when he got opportunities last year... even though he's a little smallish, he's got a great motor and has the best foot work of any of our defensive ends...

Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 3:30 pm
by VetSkinsFan
Not knocking Wilson, but I'd like to have an every down front 4.

Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 4:13 pm
by yupchagee
USAFSkinFan wrote:I love what Chris Wilson did when he got opportunities last year... even though he's a little smallish, he's got a great motor and has the best foot work of any of our defensive ends...


He needs to either
A) gain 20 lbs
or
B) move to OLB.

Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 5:00 pm
by USAFSkinFan
yupchagee wrote:
USAFSkinFan wrote:I love what Chris Wilson did when he got opportunities last year... even though he's a little smallish, he's got a great motor and has the best foot work of any of our defensive ends...


He needs to either
A) gain 20 lbs
or
B) move to OLB.


I understand what you're saying, but I'm not entirely sold on this size "requirement" for defensive ends... he's not a big tall guy, he's stout... I think some guys get looked over a bit when they don't fit a certain mold... bottom line for me is he had 5 sacks and a forced fumble in a limited number of plays... even our giggest D Linemen got swallowed up from time to time so i think he'll get even more opportunity this year...

Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 5:35 pm
by CanesSkins26
USAFSkinFan wrote:
yupchagee wrote:
USAFSkinFan wrote:I love what Chris Wilson did when he got opportunities last year... even though he's a little smallish, he's got a great motor and has the best foot work of any of our defensive ends...


He needs to either
A) gain 20 lbs
or
B) move to OLB.


I understand what you're saying, but I'm not entirely sold on this size "requirement" for defensive ends... he's not a big tall guy, he's stout... I think some guys get looked over a bit when they don't fit a certain mold... bottom line for me is he had 5 sacks and a forced fumble in a limited number of plays... even our giggest D Linemen got swallowed up from time to time so i think he'll get even more opportunity this year...


It was 4 sacks, not 5. He also isn't credited with the forced fumble that you refer to. At 6'4, 240lbs, he weighs 5lbs less than London Fletcher, despite being 6 inches taller. Marcus Washington weighs about 8lbs more than Wilson. It would be extremely difficult for Wilson to be an every down defensive end at his weight, especially considering that Andre Carter, at 252lbs, is already on the small side for the position.

Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 7:04 pm
by Countertrey
Laron Laundry, I think he is gonna be a monster this year.


Yeah... he's going to be the KING of 1 hour Martinizing :roll:

Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 8:31 pm
by tribeofjudah
John Manfreda wrote:Laron Laundry, I think he is gonna be a monster this year.


that goes without saying..........that's a GIVEN

Posted: Tue May 13, 2008 8:36 pm
by tribeofjudah
USAFSkinFan wrote:
yupchagee wrote:
USAFSkinFan wrote:I love what Chris Wilson did when he got opportunities last year... even though he's a little smallish, he's got a great motor and has the best foot work of any of our defensive ends...


He needs to either
A) gain 20 lbs
or
B) move to OLB.


I understand what you're saying, but I'm not entirely sold on this size "requirement" for defensive ends... he's not a big tall guy, he's stout... I think some guys get looked over a bit when they don't fit a certain mold... bottom line for me is he had 5 sacks and a forced fumble in a limited number of plays... even our giggest D Linemen got swallowed up from time to time so i think he'll get even more opportunity this year...


I like Chris and I think he will continue to improve and prove himself worthy of more playing time. He is not that much smaller than Andre Carter.

99 Carter, Andre DE 6-4 252 7 California 05-12-1979
95 Wilson, Chris DE 6-4 240 1 Northwood University 07-10-1982

Chris has a long ways to go to be like AC but he is a solid player and a straight up Ball Hawk.......

Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 12:30 am
by yupchagee
tribeofjudah wrote:
USAFSkinFan wrote:
yupchagee wrote:
USAFSkinFan wrote:I love what Chris Wilson did when he got opportunities last year... even though he's a little smallish, he's got a great motor and has the best foot work of any of our defensive ends...


He needs to either
A) gain 20 lbs
or
B) move to OLB.


I understand what you're saying, but I'm not entirely sold on this size "requirement" for defensive ends... he's not a big tall guy, he's stout... I think some guys get looked over a bit when they don't fit a certain mold... bottom line for me is he had 5 sacks and a forced fumble in a limited number of plays... even our giggest D Linemen got swallowed up from time to time so i think he'll get even more opportunity this year...


I like Chris and I think he will continue to improve and prove himself worthy of more playing time. He is not that much smaller than Andre Carter.

99 Carter, Andre DE 6-4 252 7 California 05-12-1979
95 Wilson, Chris DE 6-4 240 1 Northwood University 07-10-1982

Chris has a long ways to go to be like AC but he is a solid player and a straight up Ball Hawk.......


Carter plays RDE, we need an every down LDE which is the "power" side, since teams tend to run more to the right with righthanded QB's.

Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 8:21 am
by USAFSkinFan
CanesSkins26 wrote:
USAFSkinFan wrote:
yupchagee wrote:
USAFSkinFan wrote:I love what Chris Wilson did when he got opportunities last year... even though he's a little smallish, he's got a great motor and has the best foot work of any of our defensive ends...


He needs to either
A) gain 20 lbs
or
B) move to OLB.


I understand what you're saying, but I'm not entirely sold on this size "requirement" for defensive ends... he's not a big tall guy, he's stout... I think some guys get looked over a bit when they don't fit a certain mold... bottom line for me is he had 5 sacks and a forced fumble in a limited number of plays... even our giggest D Linemen got swallowed up from time to time so i think he'll get even more opportunity this year...


It was 4 sacks, not 5. He also isn't credited with the forced fumble that you refer to. At 6'4, 240lbs, he weighs 5lbs less than London Fletcher, despite being 6 inches taller. Marcus Washington weighs about 8lbs more than Wilson. It would be extremely difficult for Wilson to be an every down defensive end at his weight, especially considering that Andre Carter, at 252lbs, is already on the small side for the position.


I believe the 5th sack and FF came in the playoff game, and I don't expect him to be an every down guy, just a more significant part of the rotation...

Posted: Wed May 14, 2008 10:06 am
by BnGhog
A 300lb lineman can easily push him around, but if all your doing is speed rushing around the end. Its really not that big of a deal in that case.

But whoever said he needs to gain weight to be an every down DE is correct.

But that dont mean he can't be better at his current job, and get more sacks than last year. He has a year under his belt now. He has learned something (I hope).

Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 3:08 pm
by HogInSlop
I am very high on Chris Wilson -- although he won't be much more then a situational pass-rusher. Think N.D Kalu many moons ago.

Posted: Tue May 20, 2008 10:20 am
by HEROHAMO
Kelly or THomas should have a big rookie year. Santana Moss should have a big year as well.

I wonder if all the starter spots on WR up for grabs in competition? Or is it already a sealed deal for WR no1 and no2?

I think Santana Should definatley be no1 , I am not sold on Randle El being the no. 2 guy though? I actually would like it to be decided by competing in practice.