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Barrack Obama: "What the American people are looking for is somebody who can solve their problems"

KazooSkinsFan wrote:Barrack Obama: "What the American people are looking for is somebody who can solve their problems"

That is the problem. The American people are the laziest, most useless bunch of human beings in the world. We are the only country with citizens who go through life thinking the government, the country, and the world owe them something.

What the American people should be looking for is their own solutions to their own problems. But Obama is right about this. Most of America is looking for someone else to solve their problems. Not that Obama is the solution.

He keeps saying that. Not that I am looking for someone to solve my problems, but I haven't really heard him actually say how he would solve my problems.

JansenFan wrote:He keeps saying that. Not that I am looking for someone to solve my problems, but I haven't really heard him actually say how he would solve my problems.

Sure you have. You just have to read between the lines a little. Obama would create a government program for everything. I should add to this, so would Clinton. She's just not as obvious about it.

JansenFan wrote:He keeps saying that. Not that I am looking for someone to solve my problems, but I haven't really heard him actually say how he would solve my problems.

That is one way to look at it. If he actually WOULD solve my problems then sure! I guess I'm taking as given based on 100% of all emperical data that government won't solve any problems and what I want him really not to do is try knowing the outcome will be an increase and not decrease in the same.

Then again Nancy Pelosi did solve the gas price crisis. Remember she promised in the 2006 election that Democrats had a common sense plan to solve gas prices and just needed to win control of congress. And look how well that plan turned out!

What was her plan again? Actually the whole gas price "crisis" is a crock. Just a minor inconvenience. It's annoying seeing the bill for $50 to fill a tank. Doesn't make any real difference though.

All I ask of government is to not get in the way. Obama does not have any right to suppose he has solutions. Just stay out of the way, and keep your hands out of my pockets.

Countertrey wrote:All I ask of government is to not get in the way. Obama does not have any right to suppose he has solutions. Just stay out of the way, and keep your hands out of my pockets.

You're asking too much of our government.

They never seem to grasp the concept that doing nothing at all is better than making things worse.

GSPODS wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:Barrack Obama: "What the American people are looking for is somebody who can solve their problems"

That is the problem. The American people are the laziest, most useless bunch of human beings in the world.

Man, you ain't kidding, especially the ones that do nothing but spend all day, every day on a message board.

SkinsFreak wrote:

GSPODS wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:Barrack Obama: "What the American people are looking for is somebody who can solve their problems"

That is the problem. The American people are the laziest, most useless bunch of human beings in the world.

Man, you ain't kidding, especially the ones that do nothing but spend all day, every day on a message board.

Let's put that in context. Some of us spend all day on this message board from the comfort of our work environment. Other of us spend all day on this message board from the comfort of our home environment. I would venture to say that very few, if any of us, are sponging off of the system to pay for our internet connection just so we can spend all day on this message board. If you're at work, you're not sitting around waiting on the government to pay your bills. If you're at home, like I am, it could mean any number of things. In my case, it means I did what I had to do to not have to go to work every day. I put my time and effort in a long time ago. I knew in the 1960's that this government wasn't ever going to be the answer to any of my problems, and further knew that the world at large not only doesn't owe me anything but doesn't even care if I exist.

One thing I'll say in defense of those of us who spend all day on this message board is that we actually make a concerted effort to think about what is wrong, why it is wrong, and what should be done to correct it. One would think they would do that in a session of Congress but a brief visit to C-SPAN shows otherwise. While we debate actual issues of importance on this message board, Congress debates whether or not they deserve another pay raise.

And the Presidential candidates debate how much bull they can feed us about fixing all of our problems before even the most uneducated American will figure out that they're being fed bull.

Yes, please

I would like you detractors of big government to tell me why you voted for George Bush twice and make some sense while doing it. No American
president has tried to control the country as has fascist George, not even Jefferson, who at least, even if reluctantly, respected the courts, the law, the constitution, and the Bill of Rights. I would also like you to tell me who is going to slow the corporate takeover of the United States if the government is defanged. And, oh yes, why you think the government should have the right to torture if, as you think, the government is the problem.

Further, I wonder how often you've gotten good, fair, and efficient work from the private sector. Should I have killed the guy who charged my ninety year old mother $16,000 for minor yard work or should I have taken the matter to the courts.

Further, do any of you have the faintest idea what education was like before the U.S. government created public schools even the foggiest notion of how many thousands of people in the U.S. died in the nineteen hundreds because of bad meat and outdoor privies.

Your absurd strictly aditudinal bais has no basis in any other fact but your smug insistence on your own imagined invulnerability. I tell you this frankly; without government to protect you, I would wreck your business, kick your dog, and steal your woman. You are not invulverable. You need every safety net our country can devise, if not now, later.

To think that the complex systems in place that sustain human life somehow drop in place from the sky and are not created and maintained by human beings is a product of magical thinking, no better than the crap dished out in sunday school. Adam Smith was a product of deism and the age of Reason. He was a religious idiot. Without government, laws, taxes, cops, the military, and other structures and their regulations, including economic, we devolve, we lose civilization, we lose our freedom, we die.

crazyhorse1 wrote:I would like you detractors of big government to tell me why you voted for George Bush twice.

That's a good question. It would make no sense for any detractor of big government to vote for George Bush twice. He has been horrible. Undercutting the first Amendment (McCain Feingold), expanding the yoke of socialism (Medicaid prescription drug), expanding his father and Bill Clinton's undeclared war in Iraq and starting a new one in Afghanistan. While cutting taxes he made them more complex expanding congressional power. While stating he was against the New London land grab he did nothing about it. He has done so much to limit our freedom and nothing to expand it. He's been a horrible President.

One question though, who is this question to? Who is a detractor of big government who voted for him even once much less twice you are posing this question too. I'd love to hear their answer as well.

Crazyhorse's favorite website: http://www.governmentisgood.com/

crazyhorse1 wrote:To think that the complex systems in place that sustain human life somehow drop in place from the sky and are not created and maintained by human beings is a product of magical thinking, no better than the crap dished out in sunday school. Adam Smith was a product of deism and the age of Reason. He was a religious idiot. Without government, laws, taxes, cops, the military, and other structures and their regulations, including economic, we devolve, we lose civilization, we lose our freedom, we die.

(1) How is free market exchange not the product of human beings? (How is it something that drops in place from the sky?)

(2) Adam Smith was neither the first nor the best free market economist. You can write him off with an ad hominem, but you haven't dealt with the philosophy itself (not to mention its greatest defenders).

Irn-Bru wrote:Crazyhorse's favorite website: http://www.governmentisgood.com/

I thought it was www.Leftist-Liberal-Commie-Pinko-Fag.com

... but I'll take your word for it.

No, the one I cited is real! I'm fairly certain that it's not a joke, but I go back and forth on that.

Irn-Bru wrote:No, the one I cited is real! I'm fairly certain that it's not a joke, but I go back and forth on that.

I'm afraid to click the the link ... there could be government spyware.

Oh, wait. That's why Crazyhorse is afraid to click the link. Nevermind.

I would like you detractors of big government to tell me why you voted for George Bush twice and make some sense while doing it.

Your "question" has been answered MANY times. You have elected to pretend otherwise.

Irn-Bru wrote:Crazyhorse's favorite website: http://www.governmentisgood.com/

Wouldn't it be awesome if their characterization of Republicans as anti-government was TRUE!

crazyhorse1 wrote:I would like you detractors of big government to tell me why you voted for George Bush twice and make some sense while doing it.

Question crazyhorse. I REALLY hate the idea of John McCain as President. As I said I don't want to cut and run in Iraq, but I do want the next president working hard on getting us out. McCains talking long haul. Then there's his sponsorship of McCain Feingold and his lack of fiscal conservatism. Granted the Democrat won't be any better, but the only hope of getting a true fiscal conservative from the Republicans is to stop the election of faux conservatives like Bush and McCain. Here's the thing. If I vote for the Democrat, do I have to have voted FOR the Democrat? Can it just be a vote against McCain? What do you think?

Conservatives have virtually declared war on government. For decades now, right-wing politicians and pundits have been disparaging and demonizing government. "Government is bad" has become the mantra of the Republican Party.

So, by default, "Government is good" has become the mantra of the Democratic Party.

Libertarians would seem more tied to the mantra, "Government is."

Crazyhorse, I'm still waiting for your response to this:

YOU:

Further, do any of you have the faintest idea what education was like before the U.S. government created public schools

ME: You're joking, right?

At what point did the "U.S. government" create public schools?

Now, if you wish to assert that Thomas Jefferson attempted a PRIVATE effort to create a puplic school system in Washington, DC, you would be correct... but, then again, that was a PRIVATE, not a "U.S. government" effort.

Creation, development, maintenance, funding, validation of public schools is a STATE not FEDERAL function. It has NEVER been a Federal function.

Additionally, no one here is buying your straw man. No one here is suggesting that individual STATES have usurped the Constitution... The argument is with the FEDERAL government, which has stolen, usurped, perverted, twisted, and manufactured authority either not granted by the Constitution or STOLEN from the individual states.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

crazyhorse1 wrote:I would like you detractors of big government to tell me why you voted for George Bush twice and make some sense while doing it.

Question crazyhorse. I REALLY hate the idea of John McCain as President. As I said I don't want to cut and run in Iraq, but I do want the next president working hard on getting us out. McCains talking long haul. Then there's his sponsorship of McCain Feingold and his lack of fiscal conservatism. Granted the Democrat won't be any better, but the only hope of getting a true fiscal conservative from the Republicans is to stop the election of faux conservatives like Bush and McCain. Here's the thing. If I vote for the Democrat, do I have to have voted FOR the Democrat? Can it just be a vote against McCain? What do you think?

That's what mine will be. The Republican party has to be held responsible for putting Bush in office and supporting a criminal conspiracy, as well as various high crimes and misdemeanors. If disgraceful conduct such as using the Constitution and Bill of Rights as toilet paper goes unpunished, it will be repeated.

Countertrey wrote:

I would like you detractors of big government to tell me why you voted for George Bush twice and make some sense while doing it.

Your "question" has been answered MANY times. You have elected to pretend otherwise.

Your answer has always been flip, lame, and not based on fact or reason. Both Gore and Kerry were and are infinitely smarter than Bush, less insane, and pursued more conservative agendas. Bush was and is an extreme radical. That's reality. What I'd like to know is why you couldn't see what a catastrophe such a dangerous, immoral moron Bush would be if elected. Fact is, your performance as a voter in those two elections puts you in the Hall of Fame of the worse voters in American history.

GSPODS wrote:

Conservatives have virtually declared war on government. For decades now, right-wing politicians and pundits have been disparaging and demonizing government. "Government is bad" has become the mantra of the Republican Party.

So, by default, "Government is good" has become the mantra of the Democratic Party.

Libertarians would seem more tied to the mantra, "Government is."

Actually, as a life-long living being, I've never heard a Democrat use "Government is good" as a mantra, maybe because Democrats are quite up front with the news that some governments are bad. Also, if you think libertarians are tied to "Government is," you should google "libertarian."