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Boldin? He is a stud but his injuries concern me and you know the FO would be giving away everything but the kitchen sink-to another Rosenhaus client.

If true, the 'skins are starting to look a little desperate for a WR right before the draft.

Anybody be surprised if the next trade offer dateline is "Detroit"?

We are looking a bit desperate, but its nothing out of the ordinary for a team that is just trying to improve themselves...I think we may see one of these trades go through on draft day depending on who is left on the board at 21 and what the cards are looking for...could be interesting.

i wouldn't mind trying to trade for a guy like roy williams. anyone who wouldn't want this guy on his team has to be nuts, he is a big, physical, FAST wideout who can make the big catch when you need it, and unlike brandon lloyd, can make the simple ones too.

floridaskinsfan wrote:If true, the 'skins are starting to look a little desperate for a WR right before the draft.

Well, everyone already KNOWS we badly need and want a big receiver, so I'm having a hard time seeing that this realization is really news to anyone that makes any difference. The thing that makes sense in general is that WR is just about the most difficult position to draft, even at #1. Remember we picked Westbrook I think at 3 and Desmond I think at 4 and both were busts. Desmond finally made a name as a kick returner, but you don't pick a return man at 4. So I think the approach of trying to get an established NFL receiver makes sense.

The problem, even though I've defended Danny and still do in so far as I think he's over criticized, is that when he gets fixated on something he seems unable to not overpay. Like Chad. Great receiver but why are we offering so much to take a 30 year old problem and make it our own? Danny has at least learned to sit on his hands at times now. Next step is he has to learn to actually be in the game but walk away from deals rather then offering more and more until it goes through. OK, he did that with Briggs and he does seem to be walking away from Chad. But with Chad I think we were lucky the Bengals are being personal and spiteful instead of businessmen.

We seem to be trying to trade for WR's who aren't available. Strange.

yupchagee wrote:We seem to be trying to trade for WR's who aren't available. Strange.

Everyone's available for the right price. Also, we don't know what's going on on the inside....

yupchagee wrote:We seem to be trying to trade for WR's who aren't available. Strange.

Nothing strange about it. Obviously the Redskins are less than impressed with Thomas, Sweed, Jackson, Kelly and anyone else who might still be available at #21. The same Redskins are, however, impressed with Johnson, Boldin, Williams and all of the receivers currently under contract with other NFL franchises.

The thinking on the Redskins part has to be that one Johnson, Williams, Boldin type receiver is worth more than two Thomas, Sweed, Jackson, Kelly, insert name here receivers. Whether or not they should be thinking that way is a matter of opinion.

What is a fact is that neither the Redskins organization nor the Redskins fans are remotely comfortable with the current receiving roster.

I don't think we look any more desperate than our NFC East rivals. With Chad Johnson it's the Cowboys, Eagles, and Redskins trying to make a trade. With Roy Williams it's the same three teams. Now with Boldin again the same three are rumored to be in the chase.

It's not so much that we look desperate, it's that we look like we have no real plan for improving at wide receiver. This is a huge hole for us and the team appears to not be too thrilled with the players available in the draft so now they're scrambling to make a trade for a veteran receiver.

So making a trade is somehow not part of a plan? I mean, I know you're reliant on the other team cooperating but it's entirely possible that the team said "we need a WR" and came up with some possible trade targets. Heck, I'd even call that likely.

I am not overly impressed with the "top 5" receivers in this class. I think the real value of this class as far as receivers go may be the late rounds. We need someone who can play now. If I had to make a wish list of the vets we are chasing, I would go with Roy Williams as number 1 followed by Boldin and then Chad Johnson.

Fios wrote:So making a trade is somehow not part of a plan? I mean, I know you're reliant on the other team cooperating but it's entirely possible that the team said "we need a WR" and came up with some possible trade targets. Heck, I'd even call that likely.

Agreed! - it is also a fact that the receivers available from the draft have not changed in the past few months - we all know that there is no one available that compares to a number of receivers that are presently playing in the NFL.

There was never any doubt in most fans minds that there is any receiver available in this draft who is a certainty to offer what we need - yet we suddenly offer not just our first round pick but more for a 30 year old receiver who has a ton of talent but might need a lot of hand holding

I am not against getting a big receiver but he does not need to be great just good at fitting in here and being a part of this offense as it develops - we do not need to give up a lot to add someone that can play - if the Saints can find a guy just like that in the 6th round with their stupid FO then that is going to be easy for Cerrato to do with one of those picks we have between round 3 and round 6.

Cerrato is the best at this, so they say! - let him do that and if he cannot then he should be fired and bring in someone that can

LOSTHOG wrote:I am not overly impressed with the "top 5" receivers in this class. I think the real value of this class as far as receivers go may be the late rounds. We need someone who can play now. If I had to make a wish list of the vets we are chasing, I would go with Roy Williams as number 1 followed by Boldin and then Chad Johnson.

I have no objection to finding a big receiver - I have a huge objection to giving up any of the first few picks for one though - we need to find some good quality young guys and we have a better chance at doing that with our draft picks - we are not going to be that much better with a star WR than we are with one that can play and learn as we develop this offense.

I don't understand why we have waited all this time when the receivers who are available in the draft were obviously not going to give us anything more than a whole bunch of receivers who are presently playing in the NFL and that will not mean we have to part with one of those first few picks.

Cerrato and his bunch have got to locate a tall WR that we can trade for but at a decent price and certainly not 2 or 3 of our picks in this draft.

LOSTHOG wrote:I am not overly impressed with the "top 5" receivers in this class. I think the real value of this class as far as receivers go may be the late rounds. We need someone who can play now. If I had to make a wish list of the vets we are chasing, I would go with Roy Williams as number 1 followed by Boldin and then Chad Johnson.

If we wanted to pay a fortune for a WR, why didn't we go after Moss or Berian?

Fios wrote:So making a trade is somehow not part of a plan?

Don't forget showing strong interest in draft prospects. They've got a plan, but I do agree with Canes that it looks more spastic than calculated.

Irn-Bru wrote:

Fios wrote:So making a trade is somehow not part of a plan?

Don't forget showing strong interest in draft prospects. They've got a plan, but I do agree with Canes that it looks more spastic than calculated.

Since when is making runs at established wideouts who we know have expressed varying levels of dissatisfaction with their current teams/contracts spastic? That's calculated, they saw an opening, they took a shot. If this becomes a prolonged courtship and the Redskins keep upping the ante, then I'd agree it's more akin to desperation.

yupchagee wrote:

LOSTHOG wrote:I am not overly impressed with the "top 5" receivers in this class. I think the real value of this class as far as receivers go may be the late rounds. We need someone who can play now. If I had to make a wish list of the vets we are chasing, I would go with Roy Williams as number 1 followed by Boldin and then Chad Johnson.

If we wanted to pay a fortune for a WR, why didn't we go after Moss or Berian?

Neither one of those guys fits exactly what the Redskins want. Both are vertical threats moreso than possession receivers.

Fios wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:

Fios wrote:So making a trade is somehow not part of a plan?

Don't forget showing strong interest in draft prospects. They've got a plan, but I do agree with Canes that it looks more spastic than calculated.

Since when is making runs at established wideouts who we know have expressed varying levels of dissatisfaction with their current teams/contracts spastic? That's calculated, they saw an opening, they took a shot. If this becomes a prolonged courtship and the Redskins keep upping the ante, then I'd agree it's more akin to desperation.

It looks desperate because the Skins have no leverage in these negotiations. Everybody in the league knows that we need a receiver. Making offers of multiple draft picks to teams just a few days before the draft shows that we aren't sold on any of the wide receivers at the top of the draft. It's not like the Bengals and Cardinals are shopping Johnson and Boldin. We're trying to pry players away from these teams because we appear to have very few other options to improve a position of great need.

CanesSkins26 wrote:It looks desperate because the Skins have no leverage in these negotiations. Everybody in the league knows that we need a receiver. Making offers of multiple draft picks to teams just a few days before the draft shows that we aren't sold on any of the wide receivers at the top of the draft.

It's business as usual the week before the draft to make the type pf offers the Skins are making. Both guys say they want out of where they are both are productive when on the field and either would be better than what the Skins could get in the draft, and maybe less than what they would give up on draft day for the same player. They don't need much leverage when the players are the once making all the noise.

CanesSkins26 wrote: It's not like the Bengals and Cardinals are shopping Johnson and Boldin. We're trying to pry players away from these teams because we appear to have very few other options to improve a position of great need.

There are always other options to get players, when you go after a player that you have identified as a player that can help your team now you are willing to pay a little more. Unfortunately we have a front office that appears to look at one option at a time, until the need is filled without thought of the other options. Once they identify the player they would like they worry that someone else will pay a little bit more for them so they offer A LOT.

In this case Philly is shopping for the same type of player so the cost will be high from the start.

It looks to me like the Redskins are seeing that some of their targets (including several offensive linemen, and a couple receivers) in the draft may be gone by the 21st pick so they are looking to deal that pick for a wideout to help the club.

Seems stupid that no teams want to trade though, why keep an unhappy player?

PulpExposure wrote:

yupchagee wrote:

LOSTHOG wrote:I am not overly impressed with the "top 5" receivers in this class. I think the real value of this class as far as receivers go may be the late rounds. We need someone who can play now. If I had to make a wish list of the vets we are chasing, I would go with Roy Williams as number 1 followed by Boldin and then Chad Johnson.

If we wanted to pay a fortune for a WR, why didn't we go after Moss or Berian?

Neither one of those guys fits exactly what the Redskins want. Both are vertical threats moreso than possession receivers.

If R Moss came cheap, I'd take 'em. He's proven what he can do in a favorable situation and I'd take taht chance. I've not watched Berrian, so I cannot comment on him.

VetSkinsFan wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:Neither one of those guys fits exactly what the Redskins want. Both are vertical threats moreso than possession receivers.

If R Moss came cheap, I'd take 'em. He's proven what he can do in a favorable situation and I'd take taht chance. I've not watched Berrian, so I cannot comment on him.

Well, that's not exactly what I wrote. If you take Moss, you still have a need for a possession receiver, right? He doesn't fit what the Redskins want.

PulpExposure wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:Neither one of those guys fits exactly what the Redskins want. Both are vertical threats moreso than possession receivers.

If R Moss came cheap, I'd take 'em. He's proven what he can do in a favorable situation and I'd take taht chance. I've not watched Berrian, so I cannot comment on him.

Well, that's not exactly what I wrote. If you take Moss, you still have a need for a possession receiver, right? He doesn't fit what the Redskins want.

With Randy Moss having a Randy Moss '07 kinda year in '08 with the skins, I think it would work out just fine.

VetSkinsFan wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:Neither one of those guys fits exactly what the Redskins want. Both are vertical threats moreso than possession receivers.

If R Moss came cheap, I'd take 'em. He's proven what he can do in a favorable situation and I'd take taht chance. I've not watched Berrian, so I cannot comment on him.

Well, that's not exactly what I wrote. If you take Moss, you still have a need for a possession receiver, right? He doesn't fit what the Redskins want.

With Randy Moss having a Randy Moss '07 kinda year in '08 with the skins, I think it would work out just fine.

Yes, having a receiver set the all-time regular season touchdown catches record would be helpful. But the point is that the type of receiver Moss is, physically, doesn't solve the problem of lacking a possession receiver.