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damm, that one guy i posted about was right... he predicted the best third and 2 sevenths... bravo...

tj123456 wrote:damm, that one guy i posted about was right... he predicted the best third and 2 sevenths... bravo...

Yeah I was thinking of that post when i seen this... Hopefully we find some studs!!!

The Bengals, Falcons, Redskins, and Ravens have been awarded third-round compensatory picks by the NFL.

The Ravens and Bengals each got four extra picks, the most in the league. The Redskins were awarded the highest third-round compensation pick at No. 96 overall.

http://www.rotoworld.com

We also get 2 more 7th round picks, it looks like business is going to pick-up come Draft day!!!

Does anyone have the updated draft pick list now???

That makes up for our lost 4th rounder....Pete Kendall takes that away...

I like it. I hope the scouts do their jobs. !

Previous Third Round Selections

3 81 Chris ey TE Utah State
3 81 Derrick Dockery G Texas
3 69 Skip Hicks RB UCLA
3 76 Ricky Ervins RB USC
3 75 Alvin Walton DB Kansas
3 84 Charles Mann DE Nevada-Reno
3 69 Russ Grimm G Pittsburgh

There might be some value to this pick.

Can someone post the new updated list of Redskin Draft Picks?

I know we have a pick in every round but the 4th, but I would just like to know....thanks

GSPODS wrote:Previous Third Round Selections

3 81 Chris ey TE Utah State
3 81 Derrick Dockery G Texas
3 69 Skip Hicks RB UCLA
3 76 Ricky Ervins RB USC
3 75 Alvin Walton DB Kansas
3 84 Charles Mann DE Nevada-Reno
3 69 Russ Grimm G Pittsburgh

There might be some value to this pick.

There might be some value....hmmm, let's see.

Two years ago the Redskins gave up a 2006 4th Round Draft Pick to the Denver Broncos...#119. That turned out to be Brandon Marshall.

Now if we could only find a tall, fast receiver in the 3rd Round. Nahh, that's not possible.

spudstr04 wrote:Can someone post the new updated list of Redskin Draft Picks?

I know we have a pick in every round but the 4th, but I would just like to know....thanks

From NFL.com

Round 1, Pick 21 (21)
Round 2, Pick 20 (51)
Round 3, Pick 21 (84)
Round 3, Pick 33 (96)
Round 5, Pick 19 (154)
Round 6, Pick 20 (186)
Round 7, Pick 21 (228)
Round 7, Pick 35 (242)
Round 7, Pick 42 (249)

yupchagee wrote:

spudstr04 wrote:Can someone post the new updated list of Redskin Draft Picks?

I know we have a pick in every round but the 4th, but I would just like to know....thanks

From NFL.com

Round 1, Pick 21 (21)
Round 2, Pick 20 (51)
Round 3, Pick 21 (84)
Round 3, Pick 33 (96)
Round 5, Pick 19 (154)
Round 6, Pick 20 (186)
Round 7, Pick 21 (228)
Round 7, Pick 35 (242)
Round 7, Pick 42 (249)

Thanks a lot man....now that lost 4th rounder doesn't look that bad huh? We should stay put and get the best possible talent at the pick.....we should be able to fill our needs with our first 5 picks.....

yupchagee wrote:

spudstr04 wrote:Can someone post the new updated list of Redskin Draft Picks?

I know we have a pick in every round but the 4th, but I would just like to know....thanks

From NFL.com

Round 1, Pick 21 (21)
Round 2, Pick 20 (51)
Round 3, Pick 21 (84)
Round 3, Pick 33 (96)
Round 5, Pick 19 (154)
Round 6, Pick 20 (186)
Round 7, Pick 21 (228)
Round 7, Pick 35 (242)
Round 7, Pick 42 (249)

All I can say is...woooooooooo weeeee. Those draft picks look BEAUTIFUL!!!!

Draft day should be fun, if nothing else interesting.

I'm really looking forward to our draft this year. It's really great that we got some help with that extra 3rd. Given how badly we ended up needing Kendall, I'd say that our 2008 4th round pick was already well-spent. (One of only a handful of FA "draft picks" that were.)

And since we kept the rest of our picks, hopefully it will mean avoiding we-need-Kendall-esque situations in the future.

Hip Hip Hooray!! Hip Hip Hooray!!! Woooo! FInally!

On a serious note, there should be some kind of draft pick for teams who lose players due to passing away.

I just feel that with Big ST the league should at least give us a second round pick. We all know ST was a first rounder and a bonified Pro Bowler. Just a thought.

4 1st day picks?

Wow... we're talking about the Redskins right?

spudstr04 wrote:That makes up for our lost 4th rounder....Pete Kendall takes that away...

Not to rain on your parade, but the fourth we lost this year is for B Lloyd and we owe the Jets a 4th in the 2009 draft for Kendall.

Round 1, Pick 21 (21)
Round 2, Pick 20 (51)
Round 3, Pick 21 (84)
Round 3, Pick 33 (96)
Round 5, Pick 19 (154)
Round 6, Pick 20 (186)
Round 7, Pick 21 (228)
Round 7, Pick 35 (242)
Round 7, Pick 42 (249)

Great. The Redskins have nine draft selections. Has anyone else noticed that after the second round this draft is about as shallow as a bird bath?

In no particular order, here are the "top 100 prospects."

1st Round
Chris Long
Glenn Dorsey
Darren McFadden
Jake Long
Vernon Gholston
Sedrick Ellis
Matt Ryan
Ryan Clady
Keith Rivers
Leodis McKelvin
Rashard Mendenhall
Brian Brohm
Dan Connor
Mike Jenkins
Jonathan Stewart
Derrick Harvey
Dominique Rogers-Cromartie
Chris Williams
Phillip Merling
Devin Williams
DeSean Jackson
Jeff Otah
Malcolm Kelly
Branden Albert
Antoine Cason
Limas Sweed
Kentwan Balmer
Quentin Groves
James Hardy
Early Doucet
Kenny Phillips
Jamal Charles

2nd Round
Aquib Talib
Gosder Cherilus
Jerod Mayo
Felix Jones
Andre Caldwell
Chad Henne
Calais Campbell
Joe Flacco
Xavier Adibi
Martellus Bennett
Anthony Collins
Mike Pollack
Cliff Avril
Trevor Laws
Fred Davis
Justin King
Dustin Keller
Brandon Flowers
Pat Sims
Mario Manningham
Sam Baker
Reggie Smith
Curtis Lofton
Chris Johnson
Duane Brown
Ray Rice
Earl Bennett
Tavares Gooden
Matt Forte
Donnie Avery
Roy Scheuning
Erin Henderson

3rd Round
Lawrence Jackson
Tracy Porter
Dre Moore
Andre Woodson
Steve Justice
Marcus Howard
Brad Cottam
Terrell Thomas
Carl Nicks
Jonathan Goff
Eddie Royal
Josh Johnson
Sean Crable
Charles Godfrey
DaJuan Morgan
Red Bryant
Tashard Choice
Darrell Robertson
Jordy Nelson
Bruce Davis
Quintin Demps
John Sullivan
Tom Zbikowski
Chevis Jackson
Kendall Langford
Tyrell Johnson
John Carlson
Chilo Rachal
Josh Barrett
Will Franklin
John Greco
Jeremy Thompson
John David Booty
Jason Jones
Kevin Smith
Ahtyba Rubin

Regardless of 08 or 09 pick, Kendall was pretty good. yes we got burnt badly on Lloyd. Past is in the past. WE GOT NINE PICKS!!!! Let's see (hopefully it's true) if that article was a right about Cerrato. I can't help getting excited about this season.

For Comparison, by the Numbers:
Here is the best Redskins draft year ever, in terms of how many prospects became long-term starters.

1981 - Washington Redskins
Rd Sel # Player Position
1 20 Mark May T
3 69 Russ Grimm G
4 90 Tom Flick QB
5 119 Dexter Manley DE
5 132 Gary Sayre --
6 148 Larry Kubin LB
8 201 Charlie Brown WR
9 231 Darryl Grant DT
10 257 Phil Kessel --
10 267 Allan Kennedy T
11 284 Jerry Hill --
12 314 Clint Didier TE

12 draft selections, six immediate or future impact players from the 1981 draft. Offensive Tackle, Offensive Guard, Defensive End, Defensive Tackle, Tight End, Wide Receiver. Four linemen.

There aren't 12 prospects in the 2008 draft class worthy of a first round selection. Possibly six selections at the most are worth first round money, meaning 24 teams will be paying first round money to second round prospects.

Why should the Redskins draft a big, slow (yes, 4.5+ is slow) possession receiver with the 21st pick when they already have two on the roster who, as I type this, are equal prospects to anyone they could draft?

If, after watching the Giants shut down and shut up the Patriots, anyone still thinks the Skins should address offense over defense, I want to hear the arguments. And they had better be good ones because the Skins won't be putting up 40+ points per game and defense still wins Championships.

GSPODS wrote:For Comparison, by the Numbers:
Here is the best Redskins draft year ever, in terms of how many prospects became long-term starters.

1981 - Washington Redskins
Rd Sel # Player Position
1 20 Mark May T
3 69 Russ Grimm G
4 90 Tom Flick QB
5 119 Dexter Manley DE
5 132 Gary Sayre --
6 148 Larry Kubin LB
8 201 Charlie Brown WR
9 231 Darryl Grant DT
10 257 Phil Kessel --
10 267 Allan Kennedy T
11 284 Jerry Hill --
12 314 Clint Didier TE

12 draft selections, six immediate or future impact players from the 1981 draft. Offensive Tackle, Offensive Guard, Defensive End, Defensive Tackle, Tight End, Wide Receiver. Four linemen.

There aren't 12 prospects in the 2008 draft class worthy of a first round selection. Possibly six selections at the most are worth first round money, meaning 24 teams will be paying first round money to second round prospects.

Why should the Redskins draft a big, slow (yes, 4.5+ is slow) possession receiver with the 21st pick when they already have two on the roster who, as I type this, are equal prospects to anyone they could draft?

If, after watching the Giants shut down and shut up the Patriots, anyone still thinks the Skins should address offense over defense, I want to hear the arguments. And they had better be good ones because the Skins won't be putting up 40+ points per game and defense still wins Championships.

By the end of the year, they had a better receiving corps than we have right now, though. We have noone that can match Burress IMO.

VetSkinsFan wrote:By the end of the year, they had a better receiving corps than we have right now, though. We have noone that can match Burress IMO.

Burress value is highly over-rated. I know his stat line makes him look important, but if we look at his game-by game numbers, he doesn't show up half of the time.

Burress had 2 receptions for 32 yards versus Green Bay
Burress had 4 receptions for 24 yards versus Philadelphia.
Burress had 5 receptions for 43 yards versus SanFrancisco.
Burress had 2 receptions for 14 yards versus Miami.
Burress had 4 receptions for 24 yards versus Dallas.
Burress had 4 receptions for 47 yards versus Detroit.
Burress had 3 receptions for 36 yards versus Chicago.
Burress had 3 receptions for 35 yards versus Washington.
Burress had 1 reception for 6 yards versus Buffalo.

Burress had 4 receptions for 38 yards versus Tampa in the playoffs.
Burress had 1 reception for 5 yards versus Dallas in the playoffs.
Burress had 2 receptions for 27 yards versus New England in the SuperBowl.

That is a total of 12 subpar performances out of 20 games.
The eight games where Burress had good numbers don't cancel out his lack of production more than 50% of the time.

The Redskins can get more production than the above numbers out of any legitimate #2 wide receiver. It doesn't have to be a 6'5" injury prone type of receiver.

GSPODS wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:By the end of the year, they had a better receiving corps than we have right now, though. We have noone that can match Burress IMO.

Burress value is highly over-rated. I know his stat line makes him look important, but if we look at his game-by game numbers, he doesn't show up half of the time.

Burress had 2 receptions for 32 yards versus Green Bay
Burress had 4 receptions for 24 yards versus Philadelphia.
Burress had 5 receptions for 43 yards versus SanFrancisco.
Burress had 2 receptions for 14 yards versus Miami.
Burress had 4 receptions for 24 yards versus Dallas.
Burress had 4 receptions for 47 yards versus Detroit.
Burress had 3 receptions for 36 yards versus Chicago.
Burress had 3 receptions for 35 yards versus Washington.
Burress had 1 reception for 6 yards versus Buffalo.

Burress had 4 receptions for 38 yards versus Tampa in the playoffs.
Burress had 1 reception for 5 yards versus Dallas in the playoffs.
Burress had 2 receptions for 27 yards versus New England in the SuperBowl.

That is a total of 12 subpar performances out of 20 games.
The eight games where Burress had good numbers don't cancel out his lack of production more than 50% of the time.

The Redskins can get more production than the above numbers out of any legitimate #2 wide receiver. It doesn't have to be a 6'5" injury prone type of receiver.

Stats don't tell the entire story. You know that, anyone can find stats to support almost any argument.

He had bad games. So!

What does that prove? Nothing, that just proves Eli usues his head sometimes and don't throw to him if he's doubled. Any D, always has to be watching him or they will burned.

That's the exact reason TJ Whosyourmama gets such good stats. Almost as many yard and TDs and Ocho. Why is that... Hmm... Because the D is all watching #85.

Anyway, I agree with you have to have a good D. But you have to have Points to win also. The team with great D and an O that sucks. They are few Champions. Ravons did it, what year was that?

If you think only the Giants D won that game. Go back and watch that last drive by the gmen one more time, and tell me they could have done it with lesser WRs.

GSPODS wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:By the end of the year, they had a better receiving corps than we have right now, though. We have noone that can match Burress IMO.

Burress value is highly over-rated. I know his stat line makes him look important, but if we look at his game-by game numbers, he doesn't show up half of the time.

Burress had 2 receptions for 32 yards versus Green Bay
Burress had 4 receptions for 24 yards versus Philadelphia.
Burress had 5 receptions for 43 yards versus SanFrancisco.
Burress had 2 receptions for 14 yards versus Miami.
Burress had 4 receptions for 24 yards versus Dallas.
Burress had 4 receptions for 47 yards versus Detroit.
Burress had 3 receptions for 36 yards versus Chicago.
Burress had 3 receptions for 35 yards versus Washington.
Burress had 1 reception for 6 yards versus Buffalo.

Burress had 4 receptions for 38 yards versus Tampa in the playoffs.
Burress had 1 reception for 5 yards versus Dallas in the playoffs.
Burress had 2 receptions for 27 yards versus New England in the SuperBowl.

That is a total of 12 subpar performances out of 20 games.
The eight games where Burress had good numbers don't cancel out his lack of production more than 50% of the time.

The Redskins can get more production than the above numbers out of any legitimate #2 wide receiver. It doesn't have to be a 6'5" injury prone type of receiver.

2007 New York Giants 16 16 70 1,025 14.6 60T 12
2006 New York Giants 15 15 63 988 15.7 55T 10
2005 New York Giants 16 15 76 1,214 16.0 78T 7

compared to Moss

2007 Wash Redskins 14 14 61 808 13.2 49 3
2006 Wash Redskins 14 14 55 790 14.4 68T 6
2005 Wash Redskins 16 16 84 1,483 17.7 78T 9


His last 3 years don't look too bad. Not stellar awesome 1st time ballot stats, but they are pretty decent stats. Also don't see where the injury stopped him from playing much ball; his ankle didn't have him missing a game this year, either. He appears to be more consistant than our "#1" in the past three years(both have been with their respective teams 3 years each). In addition to camparing these two, I think Steve Smith really came on at the end of the year and I would be more comfortable with their depth than ours right now. They have 5 receivers in their wideouts that I wouldnt' mind having on our team with possibly one exception (little Moss hasn't sold me yet). I was impressed with Steve Smith and think he's going to be a thorn for a long time to come if the Giants are smart.

VetSkinsFan wrote:2007 New York Giants 16 16 70 1,025 14.6 60T 12
2006 New York Giants 15 15 63 988 15.7 55T 10
2005 New York Giants 16 15 76 1,214 16.0 78T 7

compared to Moss

2007 Wash Redskins 14 14 61 808 13.2 49 3
2006 Wash Redskins 14 14 55 790 14.4 68T 6
2005 Wash Redskins 16 16 84 1,483 17.7 78T 9

Burress - 209 receptions divided by 47 games played equals 4.45 receptions per game average, 3227 yards divided by 47 games played equals 68.66 YPG average, 15.43 YPC Average, 29 TDs divided by 47 games played equals 0.6 TD per game average.

Moss - 200 receptions divided by 44 games played equals 4.54 receptions per game average, 3081 yards divided by 44 games played equals 70.02 YPG average, 15.1 YPC Average, 18TDs divided by 44 games played equals 0.41 TD per game average.

So, Moss averages more receptions per game, more yardage per game, and almost an identical yards per reception. The TD comparison is clearly where Burress has an advantage. Overall , Moss is the better receiver.

I think we agree the Redskins need more end zone threats, and if height alone is the key to red zone scoring, line Mix and McMullen up on the same side of the formation as ey and Sellers and let's see anyone cover them all.

GSPODS wrote:So, Moss averages more receptions per game, more yardage per game, and almost an identical yards per reception. The TD comparison is clearly where Burress has an advantage. Overall , Moss is the better receiver.

Now I'm not saying that Moss isn't as good or is not as good but the last time I checked....TD's win games.

And I believe he had a game sealing Superbowl TD also.

I drink the kool-aid dranky drank too but lets put a bit less sugar in it this round.