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While listening to the radio yesterday, I heard the radio show host talk about the NAU. It prompted me to try and find out more facts on this issue. It really makes me mad that sooner rather than later, there will be no United States of America. I know the NAU is just a "conspiracy theory," but certain things seem to fit.

Take the President's and Congress' impotency in stopping illegal immigration. The overwhelming majority of Americans want a crack down on illegal immigration, yet nothing has been done. How about the "NAFTA super highway?" Funny that our government is building a big super highway coming up from Mexico essentially opening up the border further than what it is already.

Can we have English as a national language please? Again, probably not going to happen, because of the master plan for merging "North America." Why don't we cater our cereal boxes and credit card swipers to Asian people? I mean, after all, we cater to Spanish speaking individuals. Why not have a cereal box written in 30 different languages?

I am sick of politicians and big corporations selling us out. At this rate, we will have to learn how to speak farsi within 10 years, because we will have been sold to the middle east.

We the people almost don't exist anymore. I have more to say but not enough time to finish my rant.

"Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends [i.e., securing inherent and inalienable rights, with powers derived from the consent of the governed], it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness."

Who said it?

Countertrey wrote:

"Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends [i.e., securing inherent and inalienable rights, with powers derived from the consent of the governed], it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness."

Who said it?

Mind if I redress a few grievances?

Countertrey wrote:

"Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends [i.e., securing inherent and inalienable rights, with powers derived from the consent of the governed], it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness."

Who said it?

TJ Houzimizode (where the TJ is Thomas Jefferson and the Houzimizode is silent).

I think this also applies:

Patrick Henry, March 23, 1775.

No man thinks more highly than I do of the patriotism, as well as abilities, of the very worthy gentlemen who have just addressed the House. But different men often see the same subject in different lights; and, therefore, I hope it will not be thought disrespectful to those gentlemen if, entertaining as I do opinions of a character very opposite to theirs, I shall speak forth my sentiments freely and without reserve. This is no time for ceremony. The questing before the House is one of awful moment to this country. For my own part, I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery; and in proportion to the magnitude of the subject ought to be the freedom of the debate. It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at truth, and fulfill the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country. Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offense, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty toward the Majesty of Heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings.

Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.

I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided, and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years to justify those hopes with which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves and the House. Is it that insidious smile with which our petition has been lately received? Trust it not, sir; it will prove a snare to your feet. Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with those warlike preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motive for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us: they can be meant for no other. They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us those chains which the British ministry have been so long forging. And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves. Sir, we have done everything that could be done to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne! In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free-- if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending--if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained--we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of hosts is all that is left us!

They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable--and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.

It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace-- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!

Where has the spirit of the founding fathers gone? Almost all of the basic principles for which they stood has been lost. Now, big money runs the country and we all know "political campaigns" need all the big money they can get to try and win an election. The more I think about the powerless (we the people) the angrier I get @ the "axis powers" (lousy no good corporations and politicians). The voice of the people has fallen on deaf ears. If politicians can't see we are not being heard; America is being led by the deaf, blind and stupid.

Cappster wrote:Where has the spirit of the founding fathers gone? Almost all of the basic principles for which they stood has been lost. Now, big money runs the country and we all know "political campaigns" need all the big money they can get to try and win an election. The more I think about the powerless (we the people) the angrier I get @ the "axis powers" (lousy no good corporations and politicians). The voice of the people has fallen on deaf ears. If politicians can't see we are not being heard; America is being led by the deaf, blind and stupid.

You know what the founding fathers feared above all else? Government. That's not a refutation of your post, just not clear if you realize that from your post.

The bottom line is the best way to be free from big money interests manipulating government is to have less government to manipulate. The heart of the views of the founding fathers of the 1700s and the libertarians today. Republicans and Democrats just do not get that. Republicans say they do, but their actions belie their statements.

Tax hikes are not just squeezing the life of the economy but it goes to buy more government. And moral laws lead to more government to enforce them. How much government and intrusion into our lives are caused by the war on drugs alone? And then there is collecting taxes, the IRS, which far exceed the privacy violations in the name of the war on drugs.

I think the Founders feared absolutism rather than government. They feared that Britain was sliding toward French-style of absolute monarchy (as in Louis XIV).

See Bernard Bailyn, Intellectual Origins of the American Revolution, and Gordon Wood, Creation of the American Republic, among many books. "We hold these truth to be self-evident..." is a good, succint, statement of their beliefs.