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With Gibbs, Saunders, and Williams gone and Zorn as the new HC, why should we even bother watching this team this year? I don't understand why Danny Boy didn't just whip out his checkbook like he always does and hire a REAL head coach, like maybe Bill Cower. I know someone is going to say Cower wasn't interested in coming back into coaching, but everyone has their price and Danny can afford to pay it. We could've had a winning team with Cower, but instead we're going to have endure even more embarrassment from this team. Great!

Ye of little faith. Grampi's post would make one think he is rather Grumpy. Who says we aren't going to have a good team? The game of football still has to be played. Just ask the Patriots who were supposed to win the Super Bowl.

Why does Danny always have to whip out his check book for a big name instead of giving someone else a chance? It hasn't done much good thus far. I hope you eat your words this year. We have a good team in place and maybe Zorn will be the one to take us over the top. Anything can happen in this world and something positive can happen to the skins.

You can bet that I will make time for all 21+ Redskins games next year so I can watch my favorite team in action.

[quote="grampi"]With Gibbs, Saunders, and Williams gone and Zorn as the new HC, why should we even bother watching this team this year? I don't understand why Danny Boy didn't just whip out his checkbook like he always does and hire a REAL head coach, like maybe Bill Cower. I know someone is going to say Cower wasn't interested in coming back into coaching, but everyone has their price and Danny can afford to pay it. We could've had a winning team with Cower, but instead we're going to have endure even more embarrassment from this team. Great!












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I think it is easier to feel like we are falling bahind because we hear all the other teams are getting better and we are stuck doing nothing. I kind of feel the same, however, two points about that. The first is that when Gibbs was here, Snyder opened his wallet because he believed Gibbs could take us all the way. It did not work, so now with a unproven HC and our salary cap that way it is , I think it is a smart move to stay still and see what happwns. I am sure Vinny made a couple of phone calls inquiring about some players...now we just need to see who returns our calls and see what happens. Also, my second point is that with Gibbs we spent money and the rest of the NFC didnt, now it is their turn. I will be our turn again. Let's play smart.
Lastly, I would like to get that Wide reciever from Arizona, cant remember his name, he is like 6"2, and has play maker capability. Why he did not play much, oviously, because he has Fitz and the other probowler wideout. I think he can help us and he cant be that expensive.

grampi wrote:With Gibbs, Saunders, and Williams gone and Zorn as the new HC, why should we even bother watching this team this year? I don't understand why Danny Boy didn't just whip out his checkbook like he always does and hire a REAL head coach, like maybe Bill Cower. I know someone is going to say Cower wasn't interested in coming back into coaching, but everyone has their price and Danny can afford to pay it. We could've had a winning team with Cower, but instead we're going to have endure even more embarrassment from this team. Great!

Then don't watch! Leave that to the actual fans of the TEAM!!

PeetyPa wrote:I think it is easier to feel like we are falling bahind because we hear all the other teams are getting better and we are stuck doing nothing. I kind of feel the same, however, two points about that. The first is that when Gibbs was here, Snyder opened his wallet because he believed Gibbs could take us all the way. It did not work, so now with a unproven HC and our salary cap that way it is , I think it is a smart move to stay still and see what happwns. I am sure Vinny made a couple of phone calls inquiring about some players...now we just need to see who returns our calls and see what happens. Also, my second point is that with Gibbs we spent money and the rest of the NFC didnt, now it is their turn. I will be our turn again. Let's play smart.
Lastly, I would like to get that Wide reciever from Arizona, cant remember his name, he is like 6"2, and has play maker capability. Why he did not play much, oviously, because he has Fitz and the other probowler wideout. I think he can help us and he cant be that expensive.

I think you are referring to Bryant Johnson. And yes, I agree he would be a great addition at a reasonable price.

yeo, ! thanks Sch1977. It is him...

Either Bryant Johnson or D.J. Hakett would set us up at WR

This post is ridiclous on so many levels. Leaving out the obvious, (cower is NOT coaching ANYwhere this year, Snyder he’s been lambasted for "whipping out the checkbook" by many on this board, not hiring a "real" coach etc.) How in the world do you know that we will be a laughing stock? Is it possible? Sure. But its also entirely possible that Zorn could do what Sean Payton, Mike Tomlin, Norv turner (with chargers mind you), Wade Phillips, Mike McCarthy, Jack Del rio, Jon Fox, and other guys surly I have forgotten, have done. Also if you look at guys like Andy Reid who had never been an OC before, then success by a QB coach is not unprecedented. With the talent on this squad and the fact that we were bitchslapped with multiple injuries at key positions, and a freak death, we arguably could have been much better last year. Im just going to see how this all goes down, because we could easily go 4-12 or 12-4. but IM not going to dismiss the guy before he's ever even coached one game.

As long as Zorn doesn't start makin faces on the sidelines like the Old Ball Coach, we won't be a joke.

And I think DJ Hackett would be a smart acquisition, would be familiar with the offense to be installed and could be had for a reasonable salary.

We will be fine, have some faith. I ate crow last year, I vow not to do it this year. The NFC east is strong this year, good, this way we will see where we are in strength.

grampi wrote:With Gibbs, Saunders, and Williams gone and Zorn as the new HC, why should we even bother watching this team this year?

Maybe because they might be as good OR better!

I don't understand why Danny Boy didn't just whip out his checkbook like he always does and hire a REAL head coach, like maybe Bill Cower. I know someone is going to say Cower wasn't interested in coming back into coaching, but everyone has their price and Danny can afford to pay it. We could've had a winning team with Cower, but instead we're going to have endure even more embarrassment from this team.

There will not be a Head Coach in the NFL next year named Bill Cower - you can take that to the bank maybe that explains why Snyder signed Zorn instead of whoever this Cower guy is

Good grief. This topic is about a month old already. Please.

grampi wrote:With Gibbs, Saunders, and Williams gone and Zorn as the new HC, why should we even bother watching this team this year?

I don't care what the others say, you have an excellent point. I don't think you should watch the team this year. Show us all.

Why complain now??? Snyder has done all those things you suggest and it did not work. Getting Cowher is no guarantee that the Redskins will be better. Look as Dennis Green in Arizona, failed miserably. Cowher was no magic coach. He won one Super Bowl in what? 15 years? Granted, the Steelers were always in there but still only one?

So far we have not rushed out and spent a kazillion dollars on over-the-hill players or coaches that will come in and talk about how great they are, how great things are going to be and then deliver nothing. We have been focused on retaining our own and making a sensible plan to get the players we need by keeping our draft choices and evaluating our needs versus the players available. With Gibbs II we had the best coaches money could buy and nothing, nada, zip, zero. Don't point out 2 appearances in the post season in four years, they were not all that great.

I am kind of pleased at the things Zorn has had to say and he has made some good coach choices. Cerrato seems to be a better judge of personnel than we gave him credit for by just not doing what we have always done.

grampi wrote:With Gibbs, Saunders, and Williams gone and Zorn as the new HC, why should we even bother watching this team this year? I don't understand why Danny Boy didn't just whip out his checkbook like he always does and hire a REAL head coach, like maybe Bill Cower. I know someone is going to say Cower wasn't interested in coming back into coaching, but everyone has their price and Danny can afford to pay it. We could've had a winning team with Cower, but instead we're going to have endure even more embarrassment from this team. Great!

Yeah and your a joke. Why don't you just find yourself a new team. Who knows maybe Zorn is the real deal. Dan Snyder tried to get Bill Cowher it didn't work. And finally Dan Snyder did something that fans were asking for him to do and you come on here saying well why doesn't Dan Snyder just throw his money at someone else. I think Snyder has learned from his mistakes.

The only positive thing I can possibly see coming out this massive changing of the guard is the offense may finally have the handcuffs removed and they might actually be allowed to play. I can't tell you how many times my blood pressure soared watching Gibbs literally shut down the offense with just a 7-10 point lead, only to watch the team lose that lead and ultimately, the game. This team could've easily won 4-5 more games last year if Gibbs wouldn't have shut down the offense by halftime. Maybe I am being overly pesimistic. Maybe I've just been conditioned over the last 15 years to be that way. I know the words "maybe next year" have been said for so long now they've been branded into my brain.

grampi wrote:The only positive thing I can possibly see coming out this massive changing of the guard is the offense may finally have the handcuffs removed and they might actually be allowed to play. I can't tell you how many times my blood pressure soared watching Gibbs literally shut down the offense with just a 7-10 point lead, only to watch the team lose that lead and ultimately, the game. This team could've easily won 4-5 more games last year if Gibbs wouldn't have shut down the offense by halftime.

I don't understand. I agree with what you said here, but that would mean that then having Zorn and the West Coast offense should be a reason to be 'optimistic' then. The WCO is an attacking style of offense and Zorn said in his presser that he intends to stay aggressive throughout the entire game.

The fact that this thread is even existent is ridiculous. People are actually getting upset that Snyder DIDN'T just whip out his checkbook and sign yet another big name HC? Isn't that one of the biggest complaints about Snyder? That he just runs out and finds the biggest name and not the best fit? The fact that people are tossing in the towel on Zorn, especially before this team plays a down of football, is amazing. Danny Boy and his little minion may actually be learning a thing or two. Call me crazy, but sure looks like it. These guys didn't hire some incompetent fool to run this team. I have faith that they made a call they were comfortable with and that gives this team a good opportunity to succeed.

Zorn may have never coached a down in this league. We have a relatively inexperienced coaching staff as far as OC DC and HC are concerened, but this seems like a smart group of guys. This is their chance to prove themselves here. This is Zorns chance of extending the success of the Holmgren Family Tree. Zorn helped form Matt Hasselbeck into a Pro Bowl caliber QB. We have a young, talented, and eager QB who just needs a little guidance. Snyder and Vinny obviously saw something promising in this guy as head coach. We don't know how this first season for Zorn will go, but to decide from the start it was the total and absolute wrong decision and that this team will be a joke is kind of 'jumping the gun' as they say.

People need to stop being so negative and pessimistic. I have a reserved hope that maybe, just maybe, Snyder & Co. might have learned a thing or two about how things are done in this league. Who knows, maybe Gibbs taught them a useful thing or two. To sit there and say we shouldn't even watch this team is blasphemous. Isn't this part of being a fan? Rooting for your team through the good and the bad? People are never satisfied around here. Either Snyder is trying to buy a Super Bowl or he ISN'T paying for the big names and it's apparently not even worth watching the team play.

Give this team a chance. For the first time in the Danny Boy era, it looks as though there is a process to it all. It's not just go out and find the big name anymore. We have all but one of our draft picks this year. Everyone talks about wanting to get younger, to take time and find the right players and coaches. I do admit, I still wish GW had been promoted to HC, but it didn't happen and Snyder didn't go try to get Cowher out of retirement. He and Cerrato took the time, interviewed each candidate, and decided that Zorn was our best option.

For once, I am giving Snyder the benefit of the doubt here. Let's just see where we go from here. If it turns out I'm wrong and this whole thing is a bust, then whats new? It's the Redskins, get used to it. On the other hand, at the end of this next season, if this all turns out well and even gets us CLOSER to winning a title, all we can do then is admit that things may just be changing for the better around here. I know I don't post a lot on here, especially with it being the offseason, but every once in a while I think people need to be reminded that they call themselves fans of this team and they need to start acting like one.

Grampi do some research before posting on this site!

HardDawg - your post has been edited - attack the post not the poster.

grampi wrote:With Gibbs, Saunders, and Williams gone and Zorn as the new HC, why should we even bother watching this team this year?

Why did you watch the team before Gibbs, Saunders, and Williams showed up on the side lines four years ago? Did you watch before Saunders joined the staff or did only listen to them on theradio until he signed?

grampi wrote:I don't understand why Danny Boy didn't just whip out his checkbook like he always does and hire a REAL head coach, like maybe Bill Cower. I know someone is going to say Cower wasn't interested in coming back into coaching, but everyone has their price and Danny can afford to pay it.

Cower isn't a REAL HC he's a RETIRED head coach (this would make him unwilling to coach). What good is having a coach that only came here for the money? About the same as a player signing just to get paid. Had you been watch instead of complaining while Gibbs, Saunders, and Williams have been here you'd notice the team is trying to get away from throwing money at problems and seems to be actually trying to fix the problems like normal organizations do.

grampi wrote:We could've had a winning team with Cower, but instead we're going to have endure even more embarrassment from this team. Great!

We would have wholesale changes to a coaching staff that just helped the team through one of the hardest situation any staff would have to go through, and still made the post season. If Cower was so great why didn't the Steelers bring in the bigest name out there to replace him instead of bring in a 1st year coach. Most of the embarrassment will more than likely be due to fans that make up their mind about the outcome before the off-season even starts. But even you and those that feel like you won't prevent the rest of us from watching the B&G.

FYI the Dolphins and the Jets are doing big things early in free agency and both of their bandwagons have plenty of room.

SkinsFreak wrote:

grampi wrote:The only positive thing I can possibly see coming out this massive changing of the guard is the offense may finally have the handcuffs removed and they might actually be allowed to play. I can't tell you how many times my blood pressure soared watching Gibbs literally shut down the offense with just a 7-10 point lead, only to watch the team lose that lead and ultimately, the game. This team could've easily won 4-5 more games last year if Gibbs wouldn't have shut down the offense by halftime.

I don't understand. I agree with what you said here, but that would mean that then having Zorn and the West Coast offense should be a reason to be 'optimistic' then. The WCO is an attacking style of offense and Zorn said in his presser that he intends to stay aggressive throughout the entire game.

So I'm optumistic about the offense, pesimistic about the rest of the team.

grampi wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:

grampi wrote:The only positive thing I can possibly see coming out this massive changing of the guard is the offense may finally have the handcuffs removed and they might actually be allowed to play. I can't tell you how many times my blood pressure soared watching Gibbs literally shut down the offense with just a 7-10 point lead, only to watch the team lose that lead and ultimately, the game. This team could've easily won 4-5 more games last year if Gibbs wouldn't have shut down the offense by halftime.

I don't understand. I agree with what you said here, but that would mean that then having Zorn and the West Coast offense should be a reason to be 'optimistic' then. The WCO is an attacking style of offense and Zorn said in his presser that he intends to stay aggressive throughout the entire game.

So I'm optumistic about the offense, pesimistic about the rest of the team.

I don't think you're sure what your opinion is. Funny that you are pessimistic about the one aspect of the team that has gone through the most change given the new style of offense and new coaches. At least on D we made an in-house guy our DC. Im confused as to what you are basing these opinions on. I think this is just another thread of pessimism and useless complaining from people who just want to be heard, whether what they are saying has any value or not.