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Not sure what his cap hit would be but I'm thinking it might make sense to trade Portis for a late 1st or early 2nd rounder? Would the Packers like to make this trade?

We're moving to a west coast offense where the rb is used more as a receiver than a runner.

Portis has taken some shots in his short career and has had some injuries the past couple years. HIs cap hit is getting ugly too.

We have Betts and he's a very good rb when he's our starter and is a good receiver out of the backfield. Maybe we find a smaller guy (someone who can't take the 25-30 carriers a game) for 3rd downs. Any old-timers remember, Kelvin Bryant? When he wasn't hurt, he was a very effective 3rd down guy. I really really liked him. A Kevin Faulk kind of guy -- that is, not a stud RB that will leave for a starting job.

If we can get an extra pick, we could get a DL in the first, a CB (irony, or what?) for the Portis pick and an OL with our own 2nd rounder?

More than ever, I'm convinced the NFL is about three things:

1) A QB who doesn't make mistakes and is accurate
2) Great line play (both sides of the ball)
3) good DB's

I think we have a good qb but we need help and youth on both our lines and we could use an extra CB -- whether Springs stays or goes.

The NFL is less about:
1) WR's
2) TE's
3) LB's
4) RB's

No thanks. I'd much rather trade Betts than CP.

Reasons why this simply will not happen (in no particular order):

The Packers don't need or want CP.
They already have 3 young, cheap and PRODUCTIVE running backs in Grant, Jackson, and Wynn.

The cap hit for trading CP would be huge.

If such a trade occurred and the 'Skins ended up with 3 picks in the first 2 rounds, they'd have to be very creative (i.e. more restructuring or cutting depth) to sign all of their draft picks and not exceed the rookie pool or salary cap.

CP is a much better blocker than Betts, which is important when you play in the NFC East, have a suspect O line, and have a young QB with a glacially-slow release. Protection will become an even larger issue if Betts becomes the starter at running back.

In a straight-up trade, CP is not worth a first or second round pick at this point in his career.

Betts had a great year in 2006 when he got the majority of the carries. In his 5 other NFL seasons, he's never carried more than 93 times or rushed for more than 371 yards.
He's still unproven as an every-down starter, and it would be a real gamble to assume that he could replicate his 2006 numbers again.
The line play was excellent that year. Also, Betts got most of his starts (and big games) in the last half of the year when he pitted his fresh legs against defenders who'd already played half a season.
How would he hold up to the pounding of being an every-down every-game starter? His production would certainly take a hit, and his durability would be challenged. He also has fumbling issues, as we all know.
I really don't think he's ready to be the full-time starting RB for an NFC East team.

CP is kind of the heart of our team, replacing him could not be accomplished with just Betts and Rock. We gave up Champ "Best Corner In Football" Bailey for the guy...he has to pan out and thus far has been service-able at the least.

The cap hit is the biggest issue here. If it can't be done for that reason, I absolutely understand...

I love CP's game -- he's a great runner when healthy, he's as good a blocking rb as there is in the NFL and I agree he's a leader on our team.

However -- my question is, looking at the entire team -- are we better off with him as our starting RB and Betts on the bench or with Betts as our starting RB and another player we pick in the late 1st/early 2nd round?

I didn't post this because I don't like Portis and I want rid of him. It's, we have a capable RB in Betts, Portis has trade value that Betts doesn't have, he has some wear and tear but had an outstanding year proving his knee is okay and we could add another quality player. We are NOT one player away, IMO. We need to improve our depth in a few places and this is a way to do it.

Again, CP is a stud, that's why you can get a 1st or 2nd rounder for him.

Trading Portis would be a big mistake. He is much, much, much more than a running back. Almost every team has a quality running back but sosme stand out more than others. Take Brian Mitchell of Philly, Tiki BArber of New York, they are/were far more than just running backs. Portis has shown a wider range of skills over the last couple years. He is a runningback, a passer, a pass catcher, a blocker and sometimes decoy. He allows the offense to do more.

Despite a good year from Packers there is no one worth trading for him.

All besides Krahbam or what ever the DE who has over 10 sacks.

But Portis is going to be 27 hes 10th all time in TD's. So are you smoking?.



Portis is better than Any RB in the NFC,hes been slow down by injury and the OL and not to mention he had to gain weight since he came here.

por-tiz2skins wrote:Despite a good year from Packers there is no one worth trading for him.

All besides Krahbam or what ever the DE who has over 10 sacks.

But Portis is going to be 27 hes 10th all time in TD's. So are you smoking?.



Portis is better than Any RB in the NFC,hes been slow down by injury and the OL and not to mention he had to gain weight since he came here.

Not that I support a trade, but Portiz, please read his post. He suggested trading for a pick, not a player. Now if they gave us Favre, lol. Just kidding.

Mississippi Hog wrote:

por-tiz2skins wrote:Despite a good year from Packers there is no one worth trading for him.

All besides Krahbam or what ever the DE who has over 10 sacks.

But Portis is going to be 27 hes 10th all time in TD's. So are you smoking?.



Portis is better than Any RB in the NFC,hes been slow down by injury and the OL and not to mention he had to gain weight since he came here.

Not that I support a trade, but Portiz, please read his post. He suggested trading for a pick, not a player. Now if they gave us Favre, lol. Just kidding.

Awwww man your right.



(I'm a dummy) my bad.But any way for picks I don't think its worth trading him for.We have an HoF RB in our team and we won't let that go.Hes still young and he can probably break out 1600-1700 next year and I mean we would be very happy for him.

I say just keep him till hes 34.Because draft picks can become busts and we have had that alot.

CanesSkins26 wrote:No thanks. I'd much rather trade Betts than CP.

I am with you 100%

SkinsHead56 wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:No thanks. I'd much rather trade Betts than CP.

I am with you 100%

I second that.

Not a chance.

However -- my question is, looking at the entire team -- are we better off with him as our starting RB and Betts on the bench or with Betts as our starting RB and another player we pick in the late 1st/early 2nd round?

We ARE better with Portis starting, no matter what Offense we use, because, along with his other fine attributes, :

he's a great runner when healthy, he's as good a blocking rb as there is in the NFL [[actually, there is NO ONE better]and I agree he's a leader on our team

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Actually, IF we move to the west coast offence (and that would take some getting used to - I've spent the last 20 years hating that damned dink and dunk stuff), then I think Portis may become even more valuable than he is now. I believe that the new offensive scheme will involve wider formations with more space for a runner like Portis to use - as opposed to the tight bunched formations that have been prevalent over the last four years. Portis might just return to the sort of performances that marked his first two years in the league.

And the cap hit involved in trading Portis would be big - certainly more than we could stand to take this offseason. A lot of work is needed to keep this team together, whilst also enabling some key free agent signings, and trading Portis would actually lead to us losing far more than just him.

por-tiz2skins wrote:

SkinsHead56 wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:No thanks. I'd much rather trade Betts than CP.

I am with you 100%

I second that.

I'm with you guys, trade Betts and see if we can develop Mason into a 3rd down back.

LOSTHOG wrote:

por-tiz2skins wrote:

SkinsHead56 wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:No thanks. I'd much rather trade Betts than CP.

I am with you 100%

I second that.

I'm with you guys, trade Betts and see if we can develop Mason into a 3rd down back.

Me three!

UK Skins Fan wrote:And the cap hit involved in trading Portis would be big - certainly more than we could stand to take this offseason. A lot of work is needed to keep this team together, whilst also enabling some key free agent signings, and trading Portis would actually lead to us losing far more than just him.

I would not worry to much about the cap. The only good thing Snyder is good at is restructuring the cap when it is going to hit the team hard. For the past couple years a lot of critics have said the cap is going to come back and bite the Skins but it has not happen yet. So, I do not think cap space would be a viable reason to cut Clinton Portis.

por-tiz2skins wrote:But Portis is going to be 27 hes 10th all time in TD's. So are you smoking?..

Wouldn't trade him either...but 10th all time in TDs?

What are you smoking?

10th is tied between Franco Harris and Jerome Bettis with 91 Rushing TDs.

Portis is 33rd with 63 Rushing TDs.

Big difference...

Trading Portis is plain dumb. He's had a bad run this past year and a half, but he's more than a quality back. He's a leader on the team and he's a leader in the locker room. He's also lethal from behind the QB and in the flat. Keep in mind that the line affects the running game JUST AS MUCH, if not more, than the passing game. Let's hope for a healthy o-line for 16 games before we can write CP off as a has-been....

Looks like in '05 he had his 2nd best year in rushing yards with 1516 (in '02 he had 1508).. '07 and '05 he had 11 TDs (with Denver he had 15 in '02 and 14 in '03).. this guy is one hell of a blocking machine.. and please please please don't forget how he messed up his shoulder early last year; making a GREAT tackle after an interception. Also, he's completed 60% of his passes, and 3 of those were TDs. (Backup to Todd Collins next year anyone? LOL) Call me a sentimental fool but he's been here since '04, knows the Redskins organization, he's a fan favorite in our community, he's a great all around player who obviously cares about how his team performs, and he's not afraid to bring it to ANY defensive player who talks trash. Trade CP, I think not.

As for Betts, I don't want him to go, I think he compliments CP perfectly and don't forget when CP went down, Betts came in, did a heck of a job and never cried about his playing time when CP came back. I like a player like that, why are we even having a discussion of letting either of them go. IMO we need to concentrate on getting younger linemen and better CBs.

Oh, and the MOST IMPORTANT REASON TO KEEP CP... I have his jersey.. LOL!!!!

PulpExposure wrote:

por-tiz2skins wrote:But Portis is going to be 27 hes 10th all time in TD's. So are you smoking?..

Wouldn't trade him either...but 10th all time in TDs?

What are you smoking?

10th is tied between Franco Harris and Jerome Bettis with 91 Rushing TDs.

Portis is 33rd with 63 Rushing TDs.

Big difference...

10th all time in rushing.

No dude.. CP's not even in the top 25.. I just did some research..
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/alltime/leaders?cat=rushlead

Rushing TDs... not in top 25 either..
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/alltime/leaders?cat=carrushtd

Maybe those are REDSKINS stats, not NFL stats.



And I beg to differ about Betts being a compliment/match for CP. If you look at the production they had when they're swapping play by play, they are completely DIFFERENT types of backs. Betts is a decent back, but I don't believe that he's compatible to spell Portis like he should be. Betts is a north/south runner and CP isn't.

VetSkinsFan wrote:And I beg to differ about Betts being a compliment/match for CP. If you look at the production they had when they're swapping play by play, they are completely DIFFERENT types of backs. Betts is a decent back, but I don't believe that he's compatible to spell Portis like he should be. Betts is a north/south runner and CP isn't.

I agree with that to some degree. Betts is a power back, was at Iowa as well, and seemed to fit in with Gibbs' style of offense. I never thought Portis fit Gibbs' system, although he's still done pretty well. Don't get me wrong, I like Betts a lot and I know they just re-signed him last year, but in regards to a "compliment" for Portis, I actually like Marcus Mason in that role, in this new system. I know he's young and we've only seen him in preseason games playing against 2nd and 3rd string players, but I was awfully impressed with his abilities and I believe he could be very good in this system. I hope they give him a look.

I agree with both of you, so I guess what I'm trying to say is we have good crew of RBs and I think CP is the best guy to lead um. So let's concentrate on other guys that we need more.