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The Redskins want a big playmaking target for Jason Campbell, and team sources continue to tell me there is no way free agent bust Brandon Lloyd will ever see his roster bonus this spring (so that No. 85 would be free for Johnson should he want it) and that his days in Washington remain numbered despite the coaching change. League sources said that Snyder and Cerrato think that teaming Johnson with Santana Moss and Antwaan Randle El would make the team as talented as any in the league and they'd finally have the explosive offense they have longed for since Snyder took over.

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Porter is 29 and Chad Johnson is 30. While Johnson is probably the best WR in the NFL it would benefit the Redskins more in the long run to commit to rebuilding rather than trading for more veteran "stars"

its about time they realized that its a problem. I think they should draft one or two, defense seems to be available via FA this year, so we can fill some of the other holes there.

Skinsfan55 wrote:Porter is 29 and Chad Johnson is 30. While Johnson is probably the best WR in the NFL it would benefit the Redskins more in the long run to commit to rebuilding rather than trading for more veteran "stars"

Porter isn't an elite.I would raither get Berrian if so.But Chad is well worth it and relaxe dude.When he retires well have an 1st round pick to get another WR or in FA or another trade.So lets risk it.If Brady-Romo-Eli- have there weapons like R.Moss-T.O and Plex than why not Campbell to chad.

por-tiz2skins wrote:

Skinsfan55 wrote:Porter is 29 and Chad Johnson is 30. While Johnson is probably the best WR in the NFL it would benefit the Redskins more in the long run to commit to rebuilding rather than trading for more veteran "stars"

Porter isn't an elite.I would raither get Berrian if so.But Chad is well worth it and relaxe dude.When he retires well have an 1st round pick to get another WR or in FA or another trade.So lets risk it.If Brady-Romo-Eli- have there weapons like R.Moss-T.O and Plex than why not Campbell to chad.

Berrian is a speed guy. He isn't the big, possession type receiver that we need. Draft a guy like Kelly or Sweed.

If Brady-Romo-Eli- have there weapons like R.Moss-T.O and Plex than why not Campbell to chad.

Campbell to Sweed sounds better to me

Sir_Monk wrote:

If Brady-Romo-Eli- have there weapons like R.Moss-T.O and Plex than why not Campbell to chad.

Campbell to Sweed sounds better to me

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Redskins sources tell the Washington Post that finding a "stud receiver" is the team's top priority for the offseason.
The Redskins' attempt at recreating the smurfs hasn't worked out, so they'll likely go after big wideouts, which are preferred in the West Coast offense they're switching to. Free agent Jerry Porter (6'2/220) would make sense. 

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Apparently you haven't checked out the ages and quality of the Skin's OL .

If the Snyder puppet show manages to get a stud Wideout this could be encouraging news.

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Redskins sources tell the Washington Post that finding a "stud receiver" is the team's top priority for the offseason.
The Redskins' attempt at recreating the smurfs hasn't worked out, so they'll likely go after big wideouts, which are preferred in the West Coast offense they're switching to. Free agent Jerry Porter (6'2/220) would make sense. 

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Stupid me I thought is was finding a HC??

Or...this thread might be titled, "The Redskins' top priority is another Art Monk".

Monk: Tall, strong, fast, great hands, played RB in college, runs hard, blocks hard, takes a hit, holds the ball thrown over the middle, holds the down and out pass that causes him him stretch full-length, concentrates, works and works to improve himself. Rather than hire a publicist or have someone write a book "as told to" when he breaks the single season receiving record, says, I don't have great talent so I have to work harder.

Such hands that once, when he dropped a pass in the end-zone, John Madden said, "Folks, we have to see that again, because you won't see Art Monk drop a pass for another few years."

The number one WR for twelve or more Redskin seasons.

The model Joe Gibbs receiver...

Tall, strong, fast, great hands, played RB in college

Is it just a coincidence that the 3 greatest Redskins wide receivers played running back in college? (Don't answer, P2S... the question was rhetorical)

Hmmmmmm?

Bobby Mitchell, Charley Taylor, Art Monk...

Makes you wonder...

It seems to me that Reggie Bush would be better suited for WR... but he's not the only one.

Are there any more > 6' running backs out there with good hands in the draft?

Countertrey wrote:

Tall, strong, fast, great hands, played RB in college

Is it just a coincidence that the 3 greatest Redskins wide receivers played running back in college? (Don't answer, P2S... the question was rhetorical)

Hmmmmmm?

Bobby Mitchell, Charley Taylor, Art Monk...

Makes you wonder...

Only difference between Monk and the other two is:

Monk played one year as a WR in College (caught 40 passes)

Micthell and Taylor both started out as RB in the NFL and then were changed to WR by the Skins.

Another common thread to these great former RBs turned WR is how well the did. Mitchell finished his career as #2 on the NFL's all time in receptions list. Monk and Taylor ended their careers #1.

Pretty darn impressive!

Back on topic. If we can find a Monk or Taylor I say go for it, but other than that WR is below OG, DE, DT, CB, OLB, and maybe even safety on my list.

We can wait a few rounds & get Marcus Monk (I'd love to have a Monk playing WR for us) ot Mario Urrutia. Urrutia has enormous upside potential.

I'd put OG high on my list. The fact that a mediocre OT was our 3rd best OG is pathetic. 1st round I'd probably take a DE, then an OG. WR is very deep this yr so we can wait. Most boards I have seen don't have any OG's high enough to be worth a 1st round pick.

I wonder if some of the problem is that

(a) there are fewer athletes to go around

(b) the great athletes may have shifted positions. That is, Lawrence Taylor might have been pointed to RB in the '50s or '60s. Sean Taylor would have been a great WR.

(c) College players are forced to specialize more than 40 years ago. Colleges played two-way football. Charley Taylor would have been HoF as a safety just as easily as at RB/WR. Frank Howard (yes, Hondo) played two sports at Ohio State, and lettered in three in high school (sure, 6 foot 7, 250 pounds will let you play a lot of sports). Tom Brown, a contemporary of Taylor, was U of Maryland's second leading receiver, behind all-american Gary Collins, who became a star for the Browns and could have been either a receiver or a DE. Brown was the Terps kick returner and star db. He also started his last UM game as *sh$t* tailback, having been a QB in high school. Brown, as many know, also hit .450 on the Terps' baseball team, and signed for the Senators. After playing most of a year in the majors, Brown thought ot over, and signed with tghe Packers, where he started at safety for the great Lombardi teams.

OK...the point? Maybe players are too over-specialized to switch.

However, the larger point is that the three finest WR's ever to play for the Redskins began as RB's. Two of them were 6-2 or taller, and 210 or heavier. That gave them and edge over all the Santana-sized WR's around. Their experience as RB's gave them skills and toughness that few current big WR's have.

That is, put the game on the line, and I'd throw to Taylor or Monk every time.

Maybe there's another one out there. (and, yes, I like the idea of anither Monk at WR, even if his first name isn't Art!).

Further thought: remember that Gibbs used Sean Taylor at WR as the team got around the 30...think of it...what if Sean T. had shifted to WR? Who could have covered him? T Owens and R Moss are tall, but they aren't real football players. Imagine if Sean Taylor had gotten the pass?

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Maybe some difference is that most teams use only a single RB today. Until 1981 or thereabouts, NFL teams used two RB's...both had to block, and both were expected to catch passes...in general (OJ Simpson being an exception). Later, John Riggins explained that he had trouble catching a pass because his hands were battered and clawed from trying to hold onto he ball.

I like the Chad Johnson move, Jerry Porter not bad. I am glad they are finally addressing this issue, we have had this problem for awhile. I also like the Roy Williams thing, let's make a move here...we need a vetern for immediate impact, the draft for down the road.

One tall guy would be nice.

First, WR is NOT our biggest need, we need lineman first and foremost...after a HC, of course.

Second, if they (i.e., Snyder and his puppets) want a WR -- I'd sign FA Bryant Johnson, from the Cards. He's 6'3" 215lbs and will be 27 this year. I would not trade for someone, like Chad Johnson. Why give up something when there are other options in Free Agency.....Randy Moss? J. Walker from Denver if they were to cut him.

On OLineman -- I worry that our big plodding guys may not fit the West Coast Offense that Zorn runs. If not, are we looking at changing out a few guys?

We must get at least 1 DLineman (Strong side DEnd) that can rush the QB. I'd say draft the best available in the first round. I like Daniels but he's getting near the end of his career. We might need a DT too as Griffin is due a huge salary in 08 and he seems to get hurt a lot. I think Monty can handle one DT position but not sure that Gholston is a starting quality guy. Guess he could be a guy who subs with a smaller pass rushig type DT.

JC could do a lot of damage with Chad, Santana, ARE, and ey at his disposal. Throw in Portis and Betts coming out of the backfield and we would have a TON of weapons for Zorn to get creative with.

I have to admit I like the sound of that offense.

fredp45 wrote:First, WR is NOT our biggest need, we need lineman first and foremost...after a HC, of course.

Second, if they (i.e., Snyder and his puppets) want a WR -- I'd sign FA Bryant Johnson, from the Cards. He's 6'3" 215lbs and will be 27 this year. I would not trade for someone, like Chad Johnson. Why give up something when there are other options in Free Agency.....Randy Moss? J. Walker from Denver if they were to cut him.

On OLineman -- I worry that our big plodding guys may not fit the West Coast Offense that Zorn runs. If not, are we looking at changing out a few guys?

We must get at least 1 DLineman (Strong side DEnd) that can rush the QB. I'd say draft the best available in the first round. I like Daniels but he's getting near the end of his career. We might need a DT too as Griffin is due a huge salary in 08 and he seems to get hurt a lot. I think Monty can handle one DT position but not sure that Gholston is a starting quality guy. Guess he could be a guy who subs with a smaller pass rushig type DT.

Golston started on '06 & was the best new player on the team that year. I think he gained too much weight last offseason. If he slims down some, he can start.