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We backed into the playoffs this season and people are talking about us like we're a legit playoff team who is on the way up, sadly, I disagree.

On offense we've got Jason Campbell who has a ton of talent but that talent may never be realized because he's learning ANOTHER new offense and not being allowed to build on his progress from previous seasons.

We have one of the best running backs in the league in Clinton Portis but he's going to be 27 next year and we haven't found a way to build around our running game.

Mike Sellers is a good fullback because he can block, catch passes and run for short yardage. He's 33 though, and probably won't be able to contribute much longer at a high level.

We have a very good offensive line when they're on the field at the same time, but not ONE starter is under 30. How much longer can they be a good unit?

Chris ey is a star tight end and at only 26 next season he's got a few more years of star quality play. Like Portis, I hope we don't waste his prime on mediocre seasons.

Our receiver corps is the worst feature on offense. Moss is the lone "star" but he's injury prone and has had two straight years of <1,000 yards. He's also only caught 6 and 3 touchdown passes the last two years. Speed is Moss' game and it's possible he's losing a step as he approaches 29 years of age.

Antwaan Randle El is basically a joke as out #2 receiver. One touchdown reception this season, and he lacks the vertical speed to stretch the defense and the height and strength to be a possession guy. He's a decent slot receiver and he's failed in Washington as a kick returner.

We still have Brandon Lloyd under contract and he has been a TOTAL bust in Washington. His lack of effort and quickness to blame teammates for missed catches and poorly run routes have defined him here. He's a waste of a roster spot and he'll be 27 next season... also of note, he's NEVER caught a TD pass for the Redskins.

So the offense is old, and expensive. IMO we need to do a total rebuild. Take two to three years trying to build a winner and leave one offensive system in place for at least 5 years. Continuity is what players need, if they know their specific role and how to carry it out we'll be a stronger team.

Skinsfan55 wrote:We backed into the playoffs this season and people are talking about us like we're a legit playoff team who is on the way up, sadly, I disagree.

On offense we've got Jason Campbell who has a ton of talent but that talent may never be realized because he's learning ANOTHER new offense and not being allowed to build on his progress from previous seasons.

We have one of the best running backs in the league in Clinton Portis but he's going to be 27 next year and we haven't found a way to build around our running game.

Mike Sellers is a good fullback because he can block, catch passes and run for short yardage. He's 33 though, and probably won't be able to contribute much longer at a high level.

We have a very good offensive line when they're on the field at the same time, but not ONE starter is under 30. How much longer can they be a good unit?

Chris ey is a star tight end and at only 26 next season he's got a few more years of star quality play. Like Portis, I hope we don't waste his prime on mediocre seasons.

Our receiver corps is the worst feature on offense. Moss is the lone "star" but he's injury prone and has had two straight years of <1,000 yards. He's also only caught 6 and 3 touchdown passes the last two years. Speed is Moss' game and it's possible he's losing a step as he approaches 29 years of age.

Antwaan Randle El is basically a joke as out #2 receiver. One touchdown reception this season, and he lacks the vertical speed to stretch the defense and the height and strength to be a possession guy. He's a decent slot receiver and he's failed in Washington as a kick returner.

We still have Brandon Lloyd under contract and he has been a TOTAL bust in Washington. His lack of effort and quickness to blame teammates for missed catches and poorly run routes have defined him here. He's a waste of a roster spot and he'll be 27 next season... also of note, he's NEVER caught a TD pass for the Redskins.

So the offense is old, and expensive. IMO we need to do a total rebuild. Take two to three years trying to build a winner and leave one offensive system in place for at least 5 years. Continuity is what players need, if they know their specific role and how to carry it out we'll be a stronger team.

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The defense seems to be in better shape than the offense, but it's still not a great outlook for the future.

On the defensive line we have Phillip Daniels who I would guess is gone after this season. He's past his prime. The other end is Andre Carter who has really blossomed as a defensive end in a 3-4 system. He's going to be 29 next season so he may only have a few more years as an elite end.

The tackles are Griffin, Montgomery and Golston. Golston provides decent depth but does not seem capable of starting. Montgomery looks like a star in the making and Griffin is getting a little older and may be let go soon.

The linebacker corps is great in the short term but Marcus Washington and London Fletcher are both over 30 and Washington has been slowed by injury problems. McIntosh looks like a future star but he was also injured this season. There's little to no depth as far as linebackers go.

Carlos Rogers, Shawn Springs and Fred Smoot are the corners and we have Landry backing them up. We have no idea who will be joining Landry in the defensive backfield.

Rogers has never found his full potential but he has plenty of talent. Springs is getting older and may be gone next season and Smoot just played inspired towards the end of last season. It's hard to imagine Smoot being anything more than a nickel back here in Washington though and a team of he and Rogers next year would be very underwhelming. LaRon Landry looks like a star for years to come and will only get better.

Building through the draft and then supplementing your young core through free agency seems like the way to build ANY team in any sport IMO. The Redskins seem to disagree completely and building through free agency has cost us a lot of depth and a lot of wasted time where we've refused to face the music by rebuilding.

In a lot of ways Dan Snyder is like the late 80's George Steinbrenner. Just a lot of free agent prizes and no real team building existed. It was only in the early 90's when George Steinbrenner was banned from baseball that the Yankees could build through the draft, and oversees scouting. Derek Jeter, Bernie Williams, Jorge Posada, Andy Pettitte, Ramiro Mendoza, Mariano Rivera... those guys were homegrown and were the nucleus for a consistent championship team. Guys like Paul O'Neill, Tino Martinez, Scott Brosius and others were undervalued players who they got in trades or free agency to build around the young core of players. It's the blueprint for building a champion that impatient owners and GM's oftentimes ignore.

I firmly believe that with a consistent approach to team building any sports franchise could be a serious contender for a title in 5 years. It's just too bad that very, very few franchises actually try to build a TEAM.

The 1991 Redskins may be the best Redskins team ever, and they built through the draft and only supplemented their team with free agents/trades.

Mark Rypien was drafted by us, so were Clark and Monk. Sanders was drafted by the Patriots but we got him before he ever started a game for them. Don Warren was also drafted by the Skins.

Earnest Byner was a decent halfback in Cleveland who was never a star. The Redskins got him as a low risk/high reward type guy and he paid off. Gerald Riggs was a former star rusher on the downside of his career and we signed him to help out the running game and he gave us three darned good years.

On defense Charles Mann, Andre Collins, Darrell Green were homegrown stars. Martin Mayhew started his first game for Washington... guys like Wilbur Marshall, Danny Copeland, Fred Stokes, etc. were guys who were signed to augment the defense, not to build around.

Skinsfan55 wrote:[color=yellow]We backed into the playoffs this season and people are talking about us like we're a legit playoff team who is on the way up, sadly, I disagree. [/color]On offense we've got Jason Campbell who has a ton of talent but that talent may never be realized because he's learning ANOTHER new offense and not being allowed to build on his progress from previous seasons.

We have one of the best running backs in the league in Clinton Portis but he's going to be 27 next year and we haven't found a way to build around our running game.

Mike Sellers is a good fullback because he can block, catch passes and run for short yardage. He's 33 though, and probably won't be able to contribute much longer at a high level.

We have a very good offensive line when they're on the field at the same time, but not ONE starter is under 30. How much longer can they be a good unit?

Chris ey is a star tight end and at only 26 next season he's got a few more years of star quality play. Like Portis, I hope we don't waste his prime on mediocre seasons.

Our receiver corps is the worst feature on offense. Moss is the lone "star" but he's injury prone and has had two straight years of <1,000 yards. He's also only caught 6 and 3 touchdown passes the last two years. Speed is Moss' game and it's possible he's losing a step as he approaches 29 years of age.

Antwaan Randle El is basically a joke as out #2 receiver. One touchdown reception this season, and he lacks the vertical speed to stretch the defense and the height and strength to be a possession guy. He's a decent slot receiver and he's failed in Washington as a kick returner.

We still have Brandon Lloyd under contract and he has been a TOTAL bust in Washington. His lack of effort and quickness to blame teammates for missed catches and poorly run routes have defined him here. He's a waste of a roster spot and he'll be 27 next season... also of note, he's NEVER caught a TD pass for the Redskins.

So the offense is old, and expensive. IMO we need to do a total rebuild. Take two to three years trying to build a winner and leave one offensive system in place for at least 5 years. Continuity is what players need, if they know their specific role and how to carry it out we'll be a stronger team.

The Skins did not back into the playoffs. Winning four games in a row which included the Giants who are in the super bowl, the Bears who were in the super bowl last year, The Vikings who were one of the hottest teams in the league at that time, and the Cowboys the best team in the NFC coming into that game until the Skins knocked the confidence right out of them is hardly backing into the playoffs. The only problem I had with the Skins this year was blowing those 4th quarter leads and not stepping on anyone's throat when the time came to win these games. Winning a couple of those blown games would have givin the the Skins the same scenario the Giants had in order to get to the super bowl instead of going to Seattle. I know I'm not the only one that thinks the Skins could easily be in the super bowl right now instead of the Giants if givin the same path. So things arn't so bad my friend. And to look on the brightest side of things, even if the Skins keep Brandon Loyd all his production has come from a west coast offense.

Winning four straight "must win" games against quality opponents is not backing into the playoffs. Two of those wins were against playoff teams, including that win against the NFC Champion Giants in New York. Had the Skins lost one or two of those games, but made the playoffs due to other teams losing, then I would agree that they backed into it. Not that any of that matters, since the two yahoos heading this keystone cop operation have decided to "go in a different direction" or whatever.

This is so untrue. The team did not back into the playoffs and the operation is not being run as badly as some mught think.

They will either win next year or lose. I think that they can make the playoffs next year. What all of this political Head coach and coordinator BS adds unto is nothing. The players either paly or they don't .

You're right. We will stink next year. Better go find a new team to support. Good luck with that!

Gosh skinsfan55, you are so optimistic that I hope you sign on as a Cowboys fan next year.

The Redskins did not "back" into the play-offs. They won 4 straight games over opponents that must be considered reasonably quality teams. Gee, one of them is in the Super Bowl, imagine that. Granted, the Cowboys were in a mark time mode but the other 3 teams had much to loose by loosing to the Redskins. They were not gimme games.

I have not read anywhere that the Redskins are a "legit play-off team." Remember what happened, now 3 years ago? "Five in a row or we don't go!", everyone predicting deep play-off maybe even Super Bowl, and the next year the Redskins were garbage. You may be the only person on this board that forgot that.

A good draft this year can change everything you pointed out. What about Golston, Mongomery, Heyer, Wilson and Landry? Young players, getting their feet wet. I don't even agree with you about Campbell. I think the Campbell that you see now is what he will be.

I guess this site was not the appropriate one for this?

http://www.the-hogs.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=26170

whatever

There is simply no need for another thread on this