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The more this plays out, the more I feel like Steve Mariucci is the guy. He was on NFL network earlier today from the SB Media Day and was asked point-blank about the Redskins. He responded very politically correct and in a way that DID NOT in any way, shape or form extinguish the rumors. In fact, here are some direct quotes:

"I love coaching"

"It will be a family decision"

"I will keep my options open"

For what it's worth: He was wearing a BURGUNDY tie.

Chew on this for a second: If Fassel is the guy...why on earth would the Skins wait until "after the Super Bowl". Do you honestly think Snyder is that conscerned with "upstaging" the Giants and Patriots by taking attention away from the game?? Please.

The only reason they are waiting until after the game is because STEVE MARIUCCI HAS A BUSY WEEK WORKING FOR THE NFL NETWORK!!!

It's so obvious.

Having said that, I think Mooch would be an AWESOME hire. Detroit is a train wreck and a coach-killer. He had no shot there. His record with the niners is very impressive considering he took over a team with HUGE expectations and did very well with talent in place. He then also developed Garcia and experienced success with a new cast of characters (sans Young and Rice) until the salary cap situation and poor management from the top sabotaged his efforts.

I'm telling you...MOOCH is the MAN!!! Just remember...you heard it here first.


HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!

Very intriguing....

I like the picture. If it was taken in Detroit, more than likely he was yelling at one of his players, following a busted play.

hogproud wrote:I'm telling you...MOOCH is the MAN!!! Just remember...you heard it here first.


HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!

Or from Jason La Canfora of the Washington Post yesterday.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskins ... .html#more

JonC56 wrote:

hogproud wrote:I'm telling you...MOOCH is the MAN!!! Just remember...you heard it here first.


HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!

Or from Jason La Canfora of the Washington Post yesterday.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskins ... .html#more

I think he is yelling at Millien. "You drafted another WR! We need O Linemen!"

I think its going to be Mooch also. There are all ready two guys on staff who worked with him in Detroit and GB (Blance and Brooks) and Zorn is off the Holmegren tree also.

Vinny loves Mooch.

Mooch does make the most sense considering the hires.

The way this is shaping up appears to be that the new team philosphy is to play to the strengths of your players.

I saw an interview with Blache on Redskins Radio yesterday and am thrilled by this guys philosophy. He believes the defense is dictated by the abilities of your corners. He wants to be aggressive, but is willing to mold his defense around his players abilities.

We need a HC that can call his own plays, and Mooch seems to be that guy. His West Coast style will fit with Zorn, who should help in Jason's development.

Certainly sounds like a winner to me.

I really wouldnt mind Mooch. Seems very bright, enthusiastic (spelling?) and a players coach. We could do a lot worse than mooch. But this also coming from a guy who isnt as down on fassel as most here.

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Is this the thread for Mariucci?

All of this makes a lot of sense and everything. I just keep wondering why interview Meeks again if this is all in place as everybody seems to think.

Would anybody be surprised if all of this is just a smokescreen for the real hire? Some name that hasn't been mentioned anywhere?

Give Snyder credit. Its Super Bowl week, and they're still talking about the Redskins.

Could be a smoke-screen, but there are a lot of interesting facts that Support Mooch.

1) He and Vinny worked together in San Fran.
2) Jim Zorn is an OC with no OC expirience, so the coach will probably call most of his own plays.
3) Jim Zorn and Mooch are both West-Coast offense guys.
4) I believe I read that the Redskins stated they would not announce their new coach until after the Superbowl. Makes sense if Mooch is still working for NFL Network.
5) Unlike potential candidates from NY or NE, Snyder can talk with Mooch about who he wants in place before Mooch quits NFLN without violating any "tampering" rules.

I'm sure there are more reasons, but so far, Steve seems to be the best fit

(sorry for not using his real last name, but I still have trouble spelling Mariucci, it always looks like I mispelled it)

spenser wrote:I really wouldnt mind Mooch. Seems very bright, enthusiastic (spelling?) and a players coach. We could do a lot worse than mooch. But this also coming from a guy who isnt as down on fassel as most here.

You'd probably hate the it if Fossil got the job. If you did so me reserch you'd find out the Fossil has the better coaching record. You 'fans' are amazing.

Sgraham wrote:

spenser wrote:I really wouldnt mind Mooch. Seems very bright, enthusiastic (spelling?) and a players coach. We could do a lot worse than mooch. But this also coming from a guy who isnt as down on fassel as most here.

You'd probably hate the it if Fossil got the job. If you did so me reserch you'd find out the Fossil has the better coaching record. You 'fans' are amazing.

Mariucci was a very good coach in San Francisco. His teams in San Fran were far more consistent than Fassel's Giants teams. Mariucci's career record took a hit when he took the Detroit job, but I can't blame him for not succeeding with that mess. Millen is a disgrace and the Lions are the worse franchise in the NFL. It was Mariucci's 49ers that embarrassed Fossil's Giants in the playoffs by posting one of the best comebacks in playoff history. Mariucci was fired by the Niners because he lost a power struggle with the GM, not because he lost his team like Fassel did. The Giants GM that fired Fassel was on the Riggins show last week and he talked about how Fassel's team stopped responding to him. I would gladly take Mooch over Fassel.

Sgraham wrote:

spenser wrote:I really wouldnt mind Mooch. Seems very bright, enthusiastic (spelling?) and a players coach. We could do a lot worse than mooch. But this also coming from a guy who isnt as down on fassel as most here.

You'd probably hate the it if Fossil got the job. If you did so me reserch you'd find out the Fossil has the better coaching record. You 'fans' are amazing.

If you look at Fassels teams, they were built on Defense, not Offense. Mike Noland and John Fox were they key guys there. When Fox left, the team went down hill quick.

Not to mention Fassel was horrible in Baltimore. I'm not crazy about Mooch. But I think he did a great job with some mediocre 49ers teams.

CanesSkins26 wrote:

Sgraham wrote:

spenser wrote:I really wouldnt mind Mooch. Seems very bright, enthusiastic (spelling?) and a players coach. We could do a lot worse than mooch. But this also coming from a guy who isnt as down on fassel as most here.

You'd probably hate the it if Fossil got the job. If you did so me reserch you'd find out the Fossil has the better coaching record. You 'fans' are amazing.

Mariucci was a very good coach in San Francisco. His teams in San Fran were far more consistent than Fassel's Giants teams. Mariucci's career record took a hit when he took the Detroit job, but I can't blame him for not succeeding with that mess. Millen is a disgrace and the Lions are the worse franchise in the NFL. It was Mariucci's 49ers that embarrassed Fossil's Giants in the playoffs by posting one of the best comebacks in playoff history. Mariucci was fired by the Niners because he lost a power struggle with the GM, not because he lost his team like Fassel did. The Giants GM that fired Fassel was on the Riggins show last week and he talked about how Fassel's team stopped responding to him. I would gladly take Mooch over Fassel.

Maybe the GM is full of it. I'd take either one, but one of them is not better than the other. Who really thought that Gibbs was going to retire this year. I think it caught everyone by suprise. I really want to know what was the owner to do? He has followed all of the protocols the NFL has put in place. I guess if you have a bad track record, it is help against you until you do different.

I will say this, no matter what happen there will be people (fans and media) who just the the owner is a bad guy. Thats what it comes down to.

I would love to see Mooch coach our team

Do you think Mooch wants to work for another dysfuntional organization...this is what I mean when I talk about people not wanting to be here...there will come a point if Snyder continues his way that no amount of money will attrack the people we need.

DEHog wrote:Do you think Mooch wants to work for another dysfuntional organization...this is what I mean when I talk about people not wanting to be here...there will come a point if Snyder continues his way that no amount of money will attrack the people we need.

Don't sell the Redskins so short. I think many people would consider it a great opportunity and honor to be the next HC for the Redskins.

I myself was quite upset to see GW not get the job and the loss of AS actually. My husband is a Bills fan and he thinks there is something I (we) don't know about GW and if DS passed him up, it may be for good reason.

I go on record that if DS comes up with the SM hire, I forgive him the past few weeks and will be very excited about next year.

DEHog wrote:Do you think Mooch wants to work for another dysfuntional organization...this is what I mean when I talk about people not wanting to be here...there will come a point if Snyder continues his way that no amount of money will attrack the people we need.

I understand what you're saying here, but from Mariucci's perspective, based on the fact that Gibbs resigned, and the staff that's been put in place to date, it could appear to Mariucci to be "functional". He has the kind of personality that Dan will like and get along with. The players will like him, the new coaches already do and Vinny already has worked with him and likes him a lot. So again, from Mariucci's perspective, this could look like a sweet gig.

Let's not forget, Gibbs resigned, and both Snyder and Gibbs said Danny really tried to keep him. Also, based on the fact that it appeared, to the outsiders at least, to be so irrational to fire Williams, there has to be some things that went on that we simply don't know.

With the promotion of Blache and the addition of Brooks, our defense will more or less retain continuity. Our offense and our young QB, on the other hand, needed some help. Let's face it, Gibbs conservative approach and Saunders 7,000,000,000,000,000 page play book weren't all that impressive.

I believe some here are a bit off base about what the "west coast offense" really is. "The popular term "West Coast Offense" is more of a philosophy and an approach to the game than it is a set of plays or formations. Traditional offensive thinking argues that a team must establish their running game first, which will draw the defense in and open up vertical passing lanes downfield (i.e., passing lanes that run perpendicular to the line of scrimmage). Bill Walsh's West Coast Offense, however, differs from traditional offense by instead emphasizing a short, horizontal passing attack to help stretch the defense out, thus opening up running lanes."

stacylee12 wrote:

DEHog wrote:Do you think Mooch wants to work for another dysfuntional organization...this is what I mean when I talk about people not wanting to be here...there will come a point if Snyder continues his way that no amount of money will attrack the people we need.

Don't sell the Redskins so short. I think many people would consider it a great opportunity and honor to be the next HC for the Redskins.

I myself was quite upset to see GW not get the job and the loss of AS actually. My husband is a Bills fan and he thinks there is something I (we) don't know about GW and if DS passed him up, it may be for good reason.

I go on record that if DS comes up with the SM hire, I forgive him the past few weeks and will be very excited about next year.

Nice perspective, Stacylee, and I tend to agree with that. I think Mariucci would be a great hire. For the most part, our defense has been pretty good over the past few years, it's been our offense that's let us down. Mariucci and Zorn could make a huge difference for Campbell and our entire offense and would give it a more modern look and style. I think everyone was getting a bit tired of the bunch formations and the 'run, run, pass... punt' routine. Tell me, how many times when the offense lined up at the line of scrimmage did we all know what the play was going to be?

I live in Michigan and the last thing we need is Mooch! He didn't produce while here in MI and actually was quite ineffective. We need to look elsewhere for a coach.

SkinsFreak wrote:I believe some here are a bit off base about what the "west coast offense" really is. "The popular term "West Coast Offense" is more of a philosophy and an approach to the game than it is a set of plays or formations. Traditional offensive thinking argues that a team must establish their running game first, which will draw the defense in and open up vertical passing lanes downfield (i.e., passing lanes that run perpendicular to the line of scrimmage). Bill Walsh's West Coast Offense, however, differs from traditional offense by instead emphasizing a short, horizontal passing attack to help stretch the defense out, thus opening up running lanes."

Call me crazy (go ahead, you wouldn't be the first or last), but I just don't like the term "West Coast" because of the association w/Walsh. I don't care if we run exactly the same plays, I just don't want it called the "West Coast" offense.

Bill Walsh was a genius, but he gets too much NFL "street cred". Gibbs was better. They won the same # of SB's and Walsh did it with one of the best QBs of all time. Gibbs did it w/Theisman, Williams and Rypien. Walsh was in the worst division in the NFL. The NFC West flat out sucked! How many Sb do you think Gibbs would have won with Montana as his QBs? He would have been well into his second hand w/rings.

I know it is hard to play the what if games, but NFL coaches get WAY too much credit for their QBs successes.

So I just don't like the idea of the REDSKINS running the "West Coast" offense:puke:

skinsfan#33 wrote:Call me crazy (go ahead, you wouldn't be the first or last), but I just don't like the term "West Coast" because of the association w/Walsh. I don't care if we run exactly the same plays, I just don't want it called the "West Coast" offense.

I believe one of the only reasons Mooch is associated with the 'west coast' system simply stems from his tenure with the 49ers and his time under Holgrem. When Mooch was in Detroit, that system wasn't really dubbed a west coast offense.

As that piece alludes to, it's a philosophy rather than a set of designed plays or formations. If you look at some of the more recently successful teams, such as the Pat's and the Colts, they follow this same philosophy, but aren't considered to be west coast systems. The Eagles, who have also experienced recent success, to a large degree, are considered to be a west coast system, but that's more attributed to Andy Reid coming from the Mike Holgem coaching tree. Mariucci and Zorn certainly come from the same pedigree, but I don't believe it will be the same stuff Holgrem designs or runs, as Zorn alluded to in a recent interview.

But it's rather about opening up the passing game, and I'm sure we all can agree that our passing game hasn't been all that impressive and needs improvement. This type of system will also bode well for Portis, in my opinion. They will spread out the defense and Portis should be much better in that type of system. Mooch and Zorn 'could' do wonders with the talent we already have on offense.

hogproud wrote: He then also developed Garcia and experienced success with a new cast of characters (sans Young and Rice) until the salary cap situation and poor management from the top sabotaged his efforts.

And you expect him to succeeed here because ... we are under the salary cap and we have great management in Redskin Park???

stacylee12 wrote:

DEHog wrote:Do you think Mooch wants to work for another dysfuntional organization...this is what I mean when I talk about people not wanting to be here...there will come a point if Snyder continues his way that no amount of money will attrack the people we need.

Don't sell the Redskins so short. I think many people would consider it a great opportunity and honor to be the next HC for the Redskins.

I myself was quite upset to see GW not get the job and the loss of AS actually. My husband is a Bills fan and he thinks there is something I (we) don't know about GW and if DS passed him up, it may be for good reason.

I go on record that if DS comes up with the SM hire, I forgive him the past few weeks and will be very excited about next year.

You're absolutely right about the Redskins being a prime time place...there is just this cloud hanging over Snyder and Cerrato in not having the best reputation within the inner circles of the NFL.

Snyder really made some points with a lot of people in the way he dealt with ST's death, but then he turned right around and lost them all with the poor handling of GW....and it was handled poorly.

As for what led to GW not being hired, we may never know the entire story, but I'd be willing to bet that we already know a couple of them. IMHO, for one, you have to look at the Archuleta deal. This was quite possibly the worst free agent transaction in NFL history (certainly the worst for the Redskins). We not only let our SS (Ryan Clark) walk when we could have kept him for a song....we replace him with Archuleta (whom GW lobbied heavily for) and pay him the richest contract ever signed by an NFL safety. And the guy stunk the joint out...losing his starting job twice in one season, first to his backup, and then to his backup's backup. This will never be forgotten by the boys in the front office. Secondly, and before Archuleta, we let Antonio Pierce leave (GW thought we could plug Lamar Marshall in his place but he never did meet the challenge). A couple of other bad judgement calls regarding personnel in 2004 and 2005 led to the 2006 collapse of the Redskin defense which went from top 3 to the bottom in just 2 years.

I really think that under Gibbs, Cerrato simply went out and got the players that the coaches said they wanted, and let go those that they said they could manage without. And some very big mistakes were made, the biggest ones on GW's side......as for Saunders, the results were what doomed him.

Combine that, with GW's record as head coach in buffalo, and his strong personality that may not have blended well with Snyder's, and I don't think you need to look too much harder at it to see the disconnect there.

As for Mooch being the guy, I really think he is one of the bare few that could walk into this situation and quickly win over the players. Something that will be necessary if we are to maintain that team spirit that was built.

It makes so much sense in fact, that's why I'm afraid Snyder will hire Fassel instead.

I like Mooch a whole lot more than Fassel.

The only thing is the West Coast offense is whole lot different from the offense of Saunders. Either way this team is pretty much going to learn a whole new offense and probably a new defense.

Mooch over Fassel any day.