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Dan is what, 42? He's going to own this team for 30-40 more years. I am not asking if he is on course to win one this decade, but will he win one ever?

KazooSkinsFan wrote:Dan is what, 42? He's going to own this team for 30-40 more years. I am not asking if he is on course to win one this decade, but will he win one ever?

No, he will not. He will not own the team that long. He will sell the team as a business decision in order to balance his books. Mark these words.

I can't say that he won't...no one can. However with the current way he runs things he will never achieve continuity. The goal should be to build from within and established stability and a community of people who “want” to be here. When you look at organizations. Like N.E., Balt. Pitts, Tenn, Green Bay, Philly, Indy, Jacksonville. They have great systems in place and when they’re down they don’t stay there very long. We are just the opposite when we’re up we don’t stay there very long!

Redskin in Canada wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:Dan is what, 42? He's going to own this team for 30-40 more years. I am not asking if he is on course to win one this decade, but will he win one ever?

No, he will not. He will not own the team that long. He will sell the team as a business decision in order to balance his books. Mark these words.

You could be right, I was just doing an age calculation and that most owners don't. I do agree Dan selling is harder to predict though and he rolls the dice more, like with Six Flags. So you could interpret the question as, "assuming Snyder owns the team for 30-40 more years..." Though for you RIC I'm sure the answer doesn't change.

Redskin in Canada wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:Dan is what, 42? He's going to own this team for 30-40 more years. I am not asking if he is on course to win one this decade, but will he win one ever?

No, he will not. He will not own the team that long. He will sell the team as a business decision in order to balance his books. Mark these words.

Just can't see that happening...The NFL TV revenue alone is making NFL owners rich. I think the only way he sells is if we force it like the folks in Charlotte did with the Hornets ( The owner didn't sell he moved) do we want that??

Here's my idea...at the Cowboys game next year we all show up wearing a Cowboys Jersey and cheer for the Cowboys and at halftime (so the networks can cover it) we walk out!

DEHog wrote:I can't say that he won't...no one can. However with the current way he runs things he will never achieve continuity. The goal should be to build from within and established stability and a community of people who “want” to be here. When you look at organizations. Like N.E., Balt. Pitts, Tenn, Green Bay, Philly, Indy, Jacksonville. They have great systems in place and when they’re down they don’t stay there very long. We are just the opposite when we’re up we don’t stay there very long!

I TOTALLY agree with you and that's why I'm supporting the way he's doing the search.

I am not saying: Dan WILL pick the right guy.

What I am saying is: IF Dan is ever going to win Super Bowls, he's not going to do it UNLESS he really thinks things through and picks a guy he can work with well for a long time. Picking GW because Gibbs likes him and he represents continuity isn't the way to go. I am going to let him pick and try to understand why he did and support him. The guy is almost exactly my age, I am likely to have him be the only owner I ever know again. Besides, the Skins still beat my childhood team, the Lions, in every conceivable way. Skins fans should try having a member of the Ford family own them who don't really care if they win or not.

I still can't get over the irony over last year either where I kept arguing that FIRING GW was a stupid idea. Now Snyder's stupid for not making him Head Coach automatically.

IF Dan is ever going to win Super Bowls, he's not going to do it UNLESS he really thinks things through and picks a guy he can work with well for a long time.

I tend to agree with your view. But I am not comfortable with Snyder’s track record that he would let anyone have the time to build this team into a competitor.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

DEHog wrote:I can't say that he won't...no one can. However with the current way he runs things he will never achieve continuity. The goal should be to build from within and established stability and a community of people who “want” to be here. When you look at organizations. Like N.E., Balt. Pitts, Tenn, Green Bay, Philly, Indy, Jacksonville. They have great systems in place and when they’re down they don’t stay there very long. We are just the opposite when we’re up we don’t stay there very long!

I TOTALLY agree with you and that's why I'm supporting the way he's doing the search.

I am not saying: Dan WILL pick the right guy.

What I am saying is: IF Dan is ever going to win Super Bowls, he's not going to do it UNLESS he really thinks things through and picks a guy he can work with well for a long time. Picking GW because Gibbs likes him and he represents continuity isn't the way to go. I am going to let him pick and try to understand why he did and support him. The guy is almost exactly my age, I am likely to have him be the only owner I ever know again. Besides, the Skins still beat my childhood team, the Lions, in every conceivable way. Skins fans should try having a member of the Ford family own them who don't really care if they win or not.

I still can't get over the irony over last year either where I kept arguing that FIRING GW was a stupid idea. Now Snyder's stupid for not making him Head Coach automatically.

Well I wanted Snyder to name GW the coach for alot of reasons...the least being that he was the "best" coach for the job. Sometimes doing the "right" thing isn't necessarily the "best" thing. Snyder had so much more to gain by naming Williams the coach, he promised Williams the job (yes that is a fact...trust me) and by following through on that promise he would have gain so much more credibility from people around the league and the fans.

DEHog wrote:Here's my idea...at the Cowboys game next year we all show up wearing a Cowboys Jersey and cheer for the Cowboys and at halftime (so the networks can cover it) we walk out!

I could NEVER see myself turning against MY team.

I can see A LOT of DUMP SNYDER signs. I can see SNYDER the CLOWN masks. Better yet, I can see alot of empty seats.

Redskin in Canada wrote:

DEHog wrote:Here's my idea...at the Cowboys game next year we all show up wearing a Cowboys Jersey and cheer for the Cowboys and at halftime (so the networks can cover it) we walk out!

I could NEVER see myself turning against MY team.

I can see A LOT of DUMP SNYDER signs. I can see SNYDER the CLOWN masks. Better yet, I can see alot of empty seats.

Which is why this...

He will sell the team as a business decision in order to balance his books. Mark these words.

Won't happen.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:Though for you RIC I'm sure the answer doesn't change.

No, it would not because INCOMPETENCE to run a team cannot possibly be rewarded in one of the the MOST COMPETITIVE sports in the world. There are too many people doing things right for us to earn a fluke Vince Lombardi Trophy.

Look at the GOOD front offices of other teams. Even then you can get close but not necessarily win a SB trophy. DEHog is right. Dan, by his own incompetence, is unable to put together a SB team, let alone build a dynasty. So, you are right about my thinking.

Their decision making process and salary cap management makes you worry that they may not. However, I am going on the premise that even the blind squirrel finds the acorn every now and then.

Redskin in Canada wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:Though for you RIC I'm sure the answer doesn't change.

No, it would not because INCOMPETENCE to run a team cannot possibly be rewarded in one of the the MOST COMPETITIVE sports in the world. There are too many people doing things right for us to earn a fluke Vince Lombardi Trophy.

Look at the GOOD front offices of other teams. Even then you can get close but not necessarily win a SB trophy. DEHog is right. Dan, by his own incompetence, is unable to put together a SB team, let alone build a dynasty. So, you are right about my thinking.

Yes, but look at who we are being compared to...the Raiders..How many SB trophie(S) do they have??

Redskin in Canada wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:Though for you RIC I'm sure the answer doesn't change.

No, it would not because INCOMPETENCE to run a team cannot possibly be rewarded in one of the the MOST COMPETITIVE sports in the world. There are too many people doing things right for us to earn a fluke Vince Lombardi Trophy.

Look at the GOOD front offices of other teams. Even then you can get close but not necessarily win a SB trophy. DEHog is right. Dan, by his own incompetence, is unable to put together a SB team, let alone build a dynasty. So, you are right about my thinking.

And I only meant it as statement of fact. And you said nothing to the contrary, I was just confident you wouldn't change your mind.

We definitely agree on two things.
- Dan is not CURRENTLY an owner who will win Super Bowls.
- We both HOPE he will become one.

I'm just more optimistic based on that:
- I do think he's evolved a lot as owner and hope that trend continues
- The best comparisons to him I can think of are George Steinbrenner and Jerry Jones who I would never have thought would win championships. Both sucked like Dan when they started. I never liked either of them ever. And yet eventually they both learned how to get orgs in place that for whatever reason worked.

None of those are guarantees, that's why I asked the questions over decades, not the short term. I hope we get better but I think we're at least a few years from the big game. Unless we do what the Giants did twice now and get an OK team that didn't belong there in the game. Fortunately we're in the NFC where that's a lot more doable.

- Dan is not CURRENTLY an owner who will win Super Bowls.

I disagree...I can see the Skins winning (A) SB in spite of Dan Snyder...I pray that doesn't happen because that exactly what Dan Snyder (the business man) wants to happen so he can give us all the finger....and say see my way does work. And then nothing will ever change!

KazooSkinsFan wrote:I'm just more optimistic based on that:
- I do think he's evolved a lot as owner and hope that trend continues

I am pessimistic because I do not think that he has evolved and thus there is no such trend.

But he is certainly hoping that there are enough of you out there who still harbour enough EXPECTATIONS to keep his business going.

I have to admit that being an optimist is generally a good thing when there are grounds for it. The only problem is that the crash is worse than being a pesimist when reality demonstrates that such optmism was unwarranted.

I respect BOTH views and I certainly wish to be proven wrong. So far though, I stand on my views based on the Danny's track record as an owner and his recent actions after the departure of Joe Gibbs.

DEHog wrote:I disagree...I can see the Skins winning (A) SB in spite of Dan Snyder...I pray that doesn't happen because that exactly what Dan Snyder (the business man) wants to happen so he can give us all the finger....and say see my way does work. And then nothing will ever change!

Frustration is getting the best of you. I feel you brother. I REALLY know that this is IMPORTANT to you. It is to me too.

Joe Gibbs and his/our Washington Redskins taught me many lessons not only in sports but in life as well. My work, my family, myself have benefited from many of those lessons.

We must remain with a clear mind throughout our difficult times. But also, very seriously, nobody should feel anything less of you and I hard core fans if we step back and stop paying Dan Snyder any money for anything in the future.

I swear to you, the minute he feels the pinch in his finances due to the fact that the revenue with the Skins does not balance out his many other losses, he will sell the team.

I swear to you, the minute every fan in the stadium asks to DUMP the OWNER and calls him a CLOWN, he might be tempted to sell the team sooner.

Do not let your frustrations think that he may be lucky enough to win a SB Trophy. He is our best ally.

I swear to you, the minute every fan in the stadium asks to DUMP the OWNER and calls him a CLOWN, he might be tempted to sell the team sooner.

Or move it

Do not let your frustrations think that he may be lucky enough to win a SB Trophy. He is our best ally.

No frustrations here... I have a job that demands I do something to not take it home with me...Good/Bad/Indifferent...this is entertainment. I have seen SB won dispite dysfunction. Dallas and Oklnad come to mind.

DEHog wrote:

Redskin in Canada wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:Dan is what, 42? He's going to own this team for 30-40 more years. I am not asking if he is on course to win one this decade, but will he win one ever?

No, he will not. He will not own the team that long. He will sell the team as a business decision in order to balance his books. Mark these words.

Just can't see that happening...The NFL TV revenue alone is making NFL owners rich. I think the only way he sells is if we force it like the folks in Charlotte did with the Hornets ( The owner didn't sell he moved) do we want that??

Here's my idea...at the Cowboys game next year we all show up wearing a Cowboys Jersey and cheer for the Cowboys and at halftime (so the networks can cover it) we walk out!

i really couldn,t see myself wearing anything that has the cowboys on it..
but i understand ya though.

Redskin in Canada wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:I'm just more optimistic based on that:
- I do think he's evolved a lot as owner and hope that trend continues

I am pessimistic because I do not think that he has evolved and thus there is no such trend.

I don't see how you can say that. Remember Dion and the over the hill gang? At least he's now signing younger players to longer term deals. A clear improvement. I can see you saying you don't see the trajectory as in your view sufficient but to say it doesn't exist from his starting with the big bug pursuit of guys on the down side of their careers doesn't make sense.

Redskin in Canada wrote:But he is certainly hoping that there are enough of you out there who still harbour enough EXPECTATIONS to keep his business going.

I doubt that because it would require him to think he sucks as an owner. You can argue he does suck, but I see no evidence at all he thinks he sucks.

Redskin in Canada wrote:I have to admit that being an optimist is generally a good thing when there are grounds for it. The only problem is that the crash is worse than being a pesimist when reality demonstrates that such optmism was unwarranted.

Makes logical sense, but doesn't work that way in reality. No matter what optimists and pessimists overwhelmingly stay with their nature no matter the outcome.

Redskin in Canada wrote:I respect BOTH views and I certainly wish to be proven wrong. So far though, I stand on my views based on the Danny's track record as an owner and his recent actions after the departure of Joe Gibbs.

And that's the way it should be. We shall see and no, the outcome is not certain.

DEHog wrote:Or move it

No frustrations here... I have a job that demands I do something to not take it home with me...Good/Bad/Indifferent...this is entertainment.

If he actually moves the team, it would be GREAT!

How many days, actually hours, would it take for a new owner and the NFL restore a Redskins franchise in Washington the second most valuable city in the whole of sports? Clue: not many.

Could Dan snyder try to take the name ith him? he might. few cities will accept the name without criticism anyhow. So, I can see something like the Los Angeles Ravens ... errrr I meant the Los Angeles Racoons. I am fine with that.

As to the frustration, we are exactly in the same boat. I have a profession which does not allow me to bring -anything- home. This is my only real entertainment which often teaches me some valuable lessons that is why it is important to me.

Cheers bro.

As a die hard Redskins fan, I do not see that happening anytime soon, at the earliest.

DEHog wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

DEHog wrote:I can't say that he won't...no one can. However with the current way he runs things he will never achieve continuity. The goal should be to build from within and established stability and a community of people who “want” to be here. When you look at organizations. Like N.E., Balt. Pitts, Tenn, Green Bay, Philly, Indy, Jacksonville. They have great systems in place and when they’re down they don’t stay there very long. We are just the opposite when we’re up we don’t stay there very long!

I TOTALLY agree with you and that's why I'm supporting the way he's doing the search.

I am not saying: Dan WILL pick the right guy.

What I am saying is: IF Dan is ever going to win Super Bowls, he's not going to do it UNLESS he really thinks things through and picks a guy he can work with well for a long time. Picking GW because Gibbs likes him and he represents continuity isn't the way to go. I am going to let him pick and try to understand why he did and support him. The guy is almost exactly my age, I am likely to have him be the only owner I ever know again. Besides, the Skins still beat my childhood team, the Lions, in every conceivable way. Skins fans should try having a member of the Ford family own them who don't really care if they win or not.

I still can't get over the irony over last year either where I kept arguing that FIRING GW was a stupid idea. Now Snyder's stupid for not making him Head Coach automatically.

Well I wanted Snyder to name GW the coach for alot of reasons...the least being that he was the "best" coach for the job. Sometimes doing the "right" thing isn't necessarily the "best" thing. Snyder had so much more to gain by naming Williams the coach, he promised Williams the job (yes that is a fact...trust me) and by following through on that promise he would have gain so much more credibility from people around the league and the fans.

Can you show us proof that he was going to make GW the coach after Joe Gibbs retired. Also, people can chage their minds.

Can you show us proof that he was going to make GW the coach after Joe Gibbs retired. Also, people can change their minds.

So what difference would it make if I could prove it to you...people can change their minds right?

I hope so.

AFter all he is still the owner of our favorite team.