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ESPN reporting that Skins will go with Fassel

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:12 am
by spudstr04
Jim Fassel is expected to be named the Redskins' head coach the Monday or Tuesday following the Super Bowl, according to ESPN's John Clayton.

Fassel approved of Jim Zorn's hiring to call plays and DC Greg Blache's promotion. He remains the lead candidate, but Colts defensive coordinator Ron Meeks has a second interview planned for Tuesday, and Steve Mariucci and Steve Spagnuolo are believed to be on owner Dan Snyder's radar.



http://www.rotoworld.com


Why wait, if he's our guy, why not go ahead and get the ball rolling with the press conference and hire him. If we are already sold on Fassel, why should we interview the others?

Re: ESPN reporting that Skins will go with Fassel

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:16 am
by KazooSkinsFan
spudstr04 wrote:Why wait, if he's our guy, why not go ahead and get the ball rolling with the press conference and hire him. If we are already sold on Fassel, why should we interview the others?

Which is exactly why I totally doubt that story. Not that he won't name Fassel, but that he's already decided to. There is no reason not to do it today if true. Sure, if he decided Friday it would make sense to wait until after the game. But now? There is no reason. I'm trying to avoid the most OBVIOUS argument which is the credibility of the 4 letters "ESPN." Oops, I didn't avoid it. My bad.

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:35 pm
by Tacoma Redskin
I wouldn't be surprised if he pulls another "mystery candidate" out of the hat at the last minute.

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:38 pm
by DEHog
As critical as I've been of Dan Snyder I just can't see him namimg a HC who didn't have some input as to who the OC and DC were. So all indictions point to Fassel...even I don't think Synder is that stupid....please tell me I'm not wrong!!

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:53 pm
by KazooSkinsFan
DEHog wrote:As critical as I've been of Dan Snyder I just can't see him namimg a HC who didn't have some input as to who the OC and DC were. So all indictions point to Fassel...even I don't think Synder is that stupid....please tell me I'm not wrong!!

On Zorn, according to the "reports" Zorn was named by several candidates, so that would be consistent if he's leaning to Fassel but it doesn't lock in Fassel.

Blanche was an internal promotion and obviously GW wasn't going to stay so I don't see any reason to read anything into that except "unless the new coach objects..." In which case Blanche will lose it as fast as he got it. And I'm not saying he won't remain at all since he's also highly respected.

So no, while these things make sense if Fassel's the inside guy there is no reason to take them to mean he's a lock.

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:55 pm
by SkinsFreak
DEHog wrote:As critical as I've been of Dan Snyder I just can't see him namimg a HC who didn't have some input as to who the OC and DC were. So all indictions point to Fassel...even I don't think Synder is that stupid....please tell me I'm not wrong!!

Don't forget about Mooch, who I'd take over Fassel. :wink:
"Those are hires I think Mooch would be very comfortable with," said one of his former assistants. "That makes perfect sense. And I know Steve wants to get back into coaching, because this is the last year of his Detroit contract (Mariucci was fired with two years left on his deal with Detroit, earning $11 million from the team in the process). That makes perfect sense."

One NFL GM, after studying the consecutive hires of Zorn and Blache said: "It all points to Mariucci. It's like you're starting a Washington branch of the West Coast family. Look at the coordinators. Then you've got Vinny who could put it together. That's viable. That's something I think you could sell.


And as others have mentioned, he'd already have pulled the trigger on Fassel.

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:08 pm
by jazzskins
ESPN doesn't know anymore that you or I. They are simply choosing the most likely candidate as they see it and then hoping that they are right. If they get it right they will point to the prognositcation as though they were the only ones to know what was going on. If they get it wrong then it will be shuffled to the back page to be quickly forgotten. They are reporters...when there is no news they will make it up.

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 1:19 pm
by crippler_p
jazzskins wrote:ESPN doesn't know anymore that you or I. They are simply choosing the most likely candidate as they see it and then hoping that they are right. If they get it right they will point to the prognositcation as though they were the only ones to know what was going on. If they get it wrong then it will be shuffled to the back page to be quickly forgotten. They are reporters...when there is no news they will make it up.


Agree. The more I read on ESPN.com, the more I doubt its credibility. Clayton speculates as much as reports.

I'm holding out hope that the delay is because he is working out things with Mooch.

Mooch fits snyders MO. He also has a history with Vinney, Zorn and Blance

Re: ESPN reporting that Skins will go with Fassel

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 3:31 pm
by jeremyroyce
spudstr04 wrote:
Jim Fassel is expected to be named the Redskins' head coach the Monday or Tuesday following the Super Bowl, according to ESPN's John Clayton.

Fassel approved of Jim Zorn's hiring to call plays and DC Greg Blache's promotion. He remains the lead candidate, but Colts defensive coordinator Ron Meeks has a second interview planned for Tuesday, and Steve Mariucci and Steve Spagnuolo are believed to be on owner Dan Snyder's radar.



http://www.rotoworld.com


Why wait, if he's our guy, why not go ahead and get the ball rolling with the press conference and hire him. If we are already sold on Fassel, why should we interview the others?


I really believe that if Fassel is the man, he would have already been hired

Re: ESPN reporting that Skins will go with Fassel

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 7:32 pm
by KazooSkinsFan
jeremyroyce wrote:
spudstr04 wrote:
Jim Fassel is expected to be named the Redskins' head coach the Monday or Tuesday following the Super Bowl, according to ESPN's John Clayton.

Fassel approved of Jim Zorn's hiring to call plays and DC Greg Blache's promotion. He remains the lead candidate, but Colts defensive coordinator Ron Meeks has a second interview planned for Tuesday, and Steve Mariucci and Steve Spagnuolo are believed to be on owner Dan Snyder's radar.



http://www.rotoworld.com


Why wait, if he's our guy, why not go ahead and get the ball rolling with the press conference and hire him. If we are already sold on Fassel, why should we interview the others?


I really believe that if Fassel is the man, he would have already been hired

I'm with you. I haven't seen anyone saying it's a done decision actually explain if that's true why Snyder's sitting on it either.

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:01 pm
by welch
Given Dan Snyder's decision-making process, I can confidently say that we will know the Redskins new head coach when Snyder announces it. Probably. :wink:

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:11 pm
by Gibbs4Life
Its gonna be Gregg Williams

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:14 pm
by yupchagee
welch wrote:Given Dan Snyder's decision-making process, I can confidently say that we will know the Redskins new head coach when Snyder announces it. Probably. :wink:


This may be the most profound statement in this forum. =D>

Fassel

Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:43 pm
by Wahoo McDaniels
Man, I hope this is not true. Fassel is just about the worst case scenario. I'd almost give Spurrier another shot before this guy. At least Spurrier's team never quit on him.

Seriously, what is the worst thing that you can say about a leader? That the people you were responsible in leading, decided that you were incapable of motivating them, and decided not to do their job. A job that they were getting millions of dollars to play. This is exactly what happened to Fassel. In 2003, Fassel lost the 8 games of the season and it was widely reported that his team "mailed it in".

And now, all you are looking in the next Skins Head Coach is his leadership ability. You're not looking for an offensive philosophy or game plan, you've already decided on that with Zorn. You're not looking for a defensive philosophy, you've already decided on that with Blache. So, you must be looking for a coach with leadership ability. The one skill Fassel doesn't possess.

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:14 pm
by JPFair
DEHog wrote:As critical as I've been of Dan Snyder I just can't see him namimg a HC who didn't have some input as to who the OC and DC were. So all indictions point to Fassel...even I don't think Synder is that stupid....please tell me I'm not wrong!!


DE, I hate to tell you, but you're wrong. Dan Snyder IS that stupid!!!

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:38 pm
by crippler_p
I'm sticking with the if its fassel, he should have named him 5 days ago theroy. I think that Dan is holding out for a bigger fish. MOOCH.

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 5:51 pm
by Sgraham
JPFair wrote:
DEHog wrote:As critical as I've been of Dan Snyder I just can't see him namimg a HC who didn't have some input as to who the OC and DC were. So all indictions point to Fassel...even I don't think Synder is that stupid....please tell me I'm not wrong!!


DE, I hate to tell you, but you're wrong. Dan Snyder IS that stupid!!!


How can you call Snyder stupid? Do you know him?

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 5:55 pm
by Chris Luva Luva
Sgraham wrote:How can you call Snyder stupid? Do you know him?


Look at the win/loss column. Now....if you'd like to retract stupid and insert failure.... LOL Whatever works for you dude.

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 5:56 pm
by CanesSkins26
Sgraham wrote:
JPFair wrote:
DEHog wrote:As critical as I've been of Dan Snyder I just can't see him namimg a HC who didn't have some input as to who the OC and DC were. So all indictions point to Fassel...even I don't think Synder is that stupid....please tell me I'm not wrong!!


DE, I hate to tell you, but you're wrong. Dan Snyder IS that stupid!!!


How can you call Snyder stupid? Do you know him?


He's not stupid when it comes to making money and running his other businesses. When it comes to building a stable football organization he is a complete moron.

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:00 pm
by langleyparkjoe
LOL@CLL.. insert "failure"..

Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:05 pm
by DEHog
I'm sticking with the if its fassel, he should have named him 5 days ago theroy. I think that Dan iI'm sticking with the if its fassel, he should have named him 5 days ago theroy. I think that Dan is holding out for a bigger fish. MOOCH.s holding out for a bigger fish. MOOCH.


Well I'm not so sure about that....Snyder had to wrap up the whole GW thing. By that time we were into SB week and after the whole ARod thing in baseball...I think Godell told team to let this week be about the SB. I think Fassel is still in the mix...I just don't see Mooch wanting to work for another dysfunctional organization after the whole Detroit thing.

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:07 am
by chiefhog44
crippler_p wrote:I'm sticking with the if its fassel, he should have named him 5 days ago theroy. I think that Dan is holding out for a bigger fish. MOOCH.


I think you're right. Snyder would look even more foolish if he holds out and THEN hires Fassel. He would look like a childish baby looking for attention. Making all this commotion about hiring a coach, and then dragging it out just to play it up in the media. Not only that, he would be hiring someone that arguably would lose a ton of ticket sales. I doubt that stadium is sold out once next year with Fassel.

With Mooch, it's a smart business move. I get it...it makes sense. I see the reasoning behind hiring Zorn, and promoting Blache. The fact that Mooch is a leader and well respected around the league. And I bet you get ticket sales UP for a coach like that to come in. I know I'm sitting on my renewal letter until I know who the coach is (I actually checked the reply by date thinking that may be Snyder's reasoning for waiting on a hire, but no dice, there is no reply by date)...and I'm sure as heck not going to renew with Fassel coaching.

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:51 am
by por-tiz2skins
Got a feeling Mooch is the coach and I prefer him too.I fell bad for Fassel if he doesn't get it.

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:36 am
by JPFair
Sgraham wrote:
JPFair wrote:
DEHog wrote:As critical as I've been of Dan Snyder I just can't see him namimg a HC who didn't have some input as to who the OC and DC were. So all indictions point to Fassel...even I don't think Synder is that stupid....please tell me I'm not wrong!!


DE, I hate to tell you, but you're wrong. Dan Snyder IS that stupid!!!


How can you call Snyder stupid? Do you know him?


No, thankfully, I dont' know him. But, for the purpose of this discussion, I'll regress. I'll concede your point, and admit that perhaps he is NOT stupid.

Now, what I was trying to say, albeit with apparently inadequate language, is that Snyder is absolutely clueless when it comes to owning and running a professional football team. Rather than bore you with the evidence, all you have to do is look at his track record since taking over ownership of the Washington Redskins. The ONLY thing he's done that was smart was to hire Joe Gibbs back in '04. And, even that wasn't based on his ability to run a team, rather, it was based on his admiration and love for Joe Gibbs.

EVERY other move, without exception, has been an unmitigated disaster for Snyder. Everything from firing a head coach while the team still had a mathematical chance for a playoff berth to spending unworldly like money to hire a college football coach who had no NFL experience and eventually proved to be an embarrasment, has shown that Snyder lacks the knowledge (I used the word stupid) and intelligence to produce a stable, championship caliber team. While some may argue that Snyder has succeeded inasmuch as the Redskins are consistently in the top 2 of most profitable sports franchises, but Snyder did not solely purchase the Redskins as a business venture. Granted, and rightfully so, that he wants to make the Redskins a profitable venture, but the driving force behind Snyders purchase of the Redskins and his ongoing running of the team is the fact that he is a Redskins fan and wants to win a Super Bowl. In many ways, it would be no different from You, Me, or any other fan purchasing the team based on our love for the Redskins and trying to turn it into a Super Bowl team. There are people whose profession it is to work in the football business side of things, and THOSE are the people that should be running it, NOT a fan like Snyder. History shows that Snyder has bungled every single thing he has done in attempting to bring a Super Bowl to the Redskins. The list is long and astounding: Spurrier, Bruce Smith, Mark Carrier, Jeff George, firing a coach before the end of the season when they're still in with a chance, and the list goes on and on. It's NOT a pretty picture. Snyder has never shown one solitary piece of credible intelligence in terms of how to produce a championship team. He's failed at every thing he's done with the Redskins, with the possible exception of bringing in revenue. And even that is at the expense of the fans...raised ticket prices for a lackluster game day experience, raised parking rates, tried to force fans to use a specific bank to buy tickets, raised concession prices, and on and on and on. Sure, as a business investment, the Redskins are paying huge dividends for Mr. Snyder. But, it's important to note that his investment is NOT paying dividends to the fans, who want to see a consistent winning team that is NOT the laughing stock of the NFL. To that end, yes, he has failed and failed miserably.

And his handling of finding a replacement for Joe Gibbs is deja vu all over again. No other team in sports would or should handle a situation in the way Snyder is handling it. There is no evidence, historical or otherwise, to suggest that the fans should have confidence in what Snyder is doing as far as finding a coach goes.

So, although I may have overspoken vis-a-vis Snyder being "stupid", I think the more appropriate terminology would be "incompetent". Snyder is the most incompetent owner in professional sports, and his actions, and more importantly the results he has received from those actions, prove that he should leave the football side of things to the football people. He should sit back and attend all his league meetings, host private parties in his suite with Tom Cruise and puff cigars all day long, but he should NOT, in anyway at all, have any say whatsoever in how the day to day operations of the Redskins are handled. Snyders first move should have been to hire a GM, and for whatever reason, stubborness, pride, whatever, he adamantly refuses to do so. It is that stubborn, self-righteous manner that prevents this organization from becoming the type of team that the fans want, and that I'm sure even Snyder envisions. But, until he overcomes this self-serving stubborness and wanting to run things his way (i.e. front office structure...GM, etc..) Snyder will never achieve what we all know he wants to achieve. Snyder will eventually cave in and do things in a more conventional fashion, hire a GM, and run things in the mold that other franchises follow, but at what cost? At the expense of years of frustration, heartache, ineptitude, and a dwindling perception of a once storied franchise? Is that right? Is it right for Snyder to use the Redskins as his own personal little project, while fans suffer endlessly for years on end with no hope in sight...all because Snyder wants to play with his new toy? He's the owner, and he can do things his way as a matter of right, but is it morally proper for him to do it the way he's doing it?

Instead, he professes that his system of running things is the right way of doing things. As Clara Peller once so eloquently put it...."WHERE'S THE BEEF"? Snyder tries to assure us that his way is the right way? He tells the fans that he doesn't need a GM?

All evidence to the contrary!

Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 11:27 am
by DEHog
See this is exactly why hiring GW would have been a great move for Snyder.
Gibbs and the fans wanted GW…OK so he may not be the best one…who else out there is better…Fassel. Mooch…I’d say no one was so good for Snyder to pass up an opportunity to look like he had learn something about football. He still could have let Saunders go and brought in the west coast offense Blache works with GW. You give GW three years if he wins you look good for staying the course…if he loses you look good for giving him the shot!