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Cornerbacks Cedrick Holt and Eddie Jackson, Wide Receiver Billy McMullen, Running Back Eric Shelton.

News hasn't been made official yet but they are on the Skins roster at the NLFPA web site.

Personally I am not familiar with the CB's but I believe Jackson was with the Panthers?

I know of McMullen and Shelton. McMullen was sent to Minny for Hank Baskett and Shelton was a strong, bruising runner out of Louisville who was with the Panthers but was riddled with injuries.

I think Shelton has the most potential but it will be hard to crack our roster unless Rock doesn't return and Marcus Mason steps up to the active roster with a strong performance in the summer.

Jake wrote:Cornerbacks Cedrick Holt and Eddie Jackson, Wide Receiver Billy McMullen, Running Back Eric Shelton.

News hasn't been made official yet but they are on the Skins roster at the NLFPA web site.

Personally I am not familiar with the CB's but I believe Jackson was with the Panthers?

I know of McMullen and Shelton. McMullen was sent to Minny for Hank Baskett and Shelton was a strong, bruising runner out of Louisville who was with the Panthers but was riddled with injuries.

I think Shelton has the most potential but it will be hard to crack our roster unless Rock doesn't return and Marcus Mason steps up to the active roster with a strong performance in the summer.

Ive heard the names of em all but not very familiar except for Billy McMullin- uva standout- pretty big possesion wide-out, good hands but pretty slow, if im not mistaken, spent first couple years with philly, not much playing time- 23 catches and two td's last year for vikings. Cant say right off hand who would be a better addition because im really only familiar with one of them. We do need a big wideout.

Jake wrote:Cornerbacks Cedrick Holt and Eddie Jackson, Wide Receiver Billy McMullen, Running Back Eric Shelton.

News hasn't been made official yet but they are on the Skins roster at the NLFPA web site.

Personally I am not familiar with the CB's but I believe Jackson was with the Panthers?

I know of McMullen and Shelton. McMullen was sent to Minny for Hank Baskett and Shelton was a strong, bruising runner out of Louisville who was with the Panthers but was riddled with injuries.

I think Shelton has the most potential but it will be hard to crack our roster unless Rock doesn't return and Marcus Mason steps up to the active roster with a strong performance in the summer.

Wonder if Gibbs has a say in these guys?

BnGhog wrote:

Jake wrote:Cornerbacks Cedrick Holt and Eddie Jackson, Wide Receiver Billy McMullen, Running Back Eric Shelton.

News hasn't been made official yet but they are on the Skins roster at the NLFPA web site.

Personally I am not familiar with the CB's but I believe Jackson was with the Panthers?

I know of McMullen and Shelton. McMullen was sent to Minny for Hank Baskett and Shelton was a strong, bruising runner out of Louisville who was with the Panthers but was riddled with injuries.

I think Shelton has the most potential but it will be hard to crack our roster unless Rock doesn't return and Marcus Mason steps up to the active roster with a strong performance in the summer.

Wonder if Gibbs has a say in these guys?

Next question: Why would they do this if they don't know whom the Coach is?

Countertrey wrote:

BnGhog wrote:

Jake wrote:Cornerbacks Cedrick Holt and Eddie Jackson, Wide Receiver Billy McMullen, Running Back Eric Shelton.

News hasn't been made official yet but they are on the Skins roster at the NLFPA web site.

Personally I am not familiar with the CB's but I believe Jackson was with the Panthers?

I know of McMullen and Shelton. McMullen was sent to Minny for Hank Baskett and Shelton was a strong, bruising runner out of Louisville who was with the Panthers but was riddled with injuries.

I think Shelton has the most potential but it will be hard to crack our roster unless Rock doesn't return and Marcus Mason steps up to the active roster with a strong performance in the summer.

Wonder if Gibbs has a say in these guys?

Next question: Why would they do this if they don't know whom the Coach is?

Because the coaching search could take weeks and if these are guys that our front office is high on, they wouldn't want to take the chance that they get signed by other teams.

They might have been signed Sunday before Gibbs stepped down.

I'm still really 'iffy' on signing WRs from other teams. I'm not saying they won't turn out great (Welker) but I still believe we have alot of talent at that position. Also, that Mix guy seems to be stepping up pretty well and even if its just special teams, he's getting some playing time. So what's really wrong with Moss, ARE, Cauldwell, McCardell, Trash, and Mix? Of course if you have a player of Chad Johnson's caliber available, you have to make that move. I do hope we use the draft to get some young linemen who we can 'groom' into our system and will be here for years cause obviously our guys are just too dag gone old.

langleyparkjoe wrote:I'm still really 'iffy' on signing WRs from other teams. I'm not saying they won't turn out great (Welker) but I still believe we have alot of talent at that position. Also, that Mix guy seems to be stepping up pretty well and even if its just special teams, he's getting some playing time. So what's really wrong with Moss, ARE, Cauldwell, McCardell, Trash, and Mix? Of course if you have a player of Chad Johnson's caliber available, you have to make that move. I do hope we use the draft to get some young linemen who we can 'groom' into our system and will be here for years cause obviously our guys are just too dag gone old.

I see in a problem in the wide reciever core- Age first of all. McCardell and Thrash's better years are behind them- we have number 1 in Moss but from there down its a rash of no.3 and 4 on any other team but 2 and 3 on ours. We need a big, young possesion wide out to even it all out. El is good but i dont think he is 2nd wideout caliber. We need young size at reciever, Mix is big but if he was cracked up to be a NFL wideout he probably would of got some reps in an injury soaked recieving corps.

We do need to get younger and build on our base through the draft but the players you need to help your team get better now come from around the NFL
players coming out of college are our future but our success this coming season will be because of how well our talent evaluators do in locating players in the NFL that can help our team now and for the future.

Dag, I didn't realize those guys were old like that but than again it makes sense. I forgot they were playing in the league for years, especially McCardell. Well, I hope whoever we get, I hope they turn out to be great assets.

Assasin atm wrote:I see in a problem in the wide reciever core- Age first of all. McCardell and Thrash's better years are behind them- we have number 1 in Moss but from there down its a rash of no.3 and 4 on any other team but 2 and 3 on ours. We need a big, young possesion wide out to even it all out. El is good but i dont think he is 2nd wideout caliber. We need young size at reciever, Mix is big but if he was cracked up to be a NFL wideout he probably would of got some reps in a reciever injury soacked lineup.

I tend to agree with you. But I don't see getting guys that were not other teams #1 or #2 guys. I mean if they aren't a #1 why waste this time on them? The only way I can see getting that kind of talent is a big FA trade or the draft. None of these guys seem to be that type. It just seem like we signed another McCardell, or Rece or Lloyd. Just another guy.

Assasin atm wrote:

langleyparkjoe wrote:I'm still really 'iffy' on signing WRs from other teams. I'm not saying they won't turn out great (Welker) but I still believe we have alot of talent at that position. Also, that Mix guy seems to be stepping up pretty well and even if its just special teams, he's getting some playing time. So what's really wrong with Moss, ARE, Cauldwell, McCardell, Trash, and Mix? Of course if you have a player of Chad Johnson's caliber available, you have to make that move. I do hope we use the draft to get some young linemen who we can 'groom' into our system and will be here for years cause obviously our guys are just too dag gone old.

I see in a problem in the wide reciever core- Age first of all. McCardell and Thrash's better years are behind them- we have number 1 in Moss but from there down its a rash of no.3 and 4 on any other team but 2 and 3 on ours. We need a big, young possesion wide out to even it all out. El is good but i dont think he is 2nd wideout caliber. We need young size at reciever, Mix is big but if he was cracked up to be a NFL wideout he probably would of got some reps in an injury soaked recieving corps.

Gibbs is known for NOT playing rookies. I am optimistic about Mix, though. He's a competitor (by his special teams play) and I'd liek to see what he has. There WAS a reason he was retained on Giants PS until we picked him up, and he wasn't a 1yr deal, he was a 3yr deal. 3yrs for a fill in for depleted receiving corps sounds odd to me. Sounds like they had potential plans for 'em.

BnGhog wrote:

Assasin atm wrote:I see in a problem in the wide reciever core- Age first of all. McCardell and Thrash's better years are behind them- we have number 1 in Moss but from there down its a rash of no.3 and 4 on any other team but 2 and 3 on ours. We need a big, young possesion wide out to even it all out. El is good but i dont think he is 2nd wideout caliber. We need young size at reciever, Mix is big but if he was cracked up to be a NFL wideout he probably would of got some reps in a reciever injury soacked lineup.

I tend to agree with you. But I don't see getting guys that were not other teams #1 or #2 guys. I mean if they aren't a #1 why waste this time on them? The only way I can see getting that kind of talent is a big FA trade or the draft. None of these guys seem to be that type. It just seem like we signed another McCardell, or Rece or Lloyd. Just another guy.

Well i sorta agree, Santana wasnt the Jets number 1 and Randle El wasnt the steelers number 1 and theve turned out ok but when we do sign a number 1 like BL it doesnt work. All im saying is that the front office needs to get away from the gibbs philosophy of smaller - faster wideouts is all we need. Maybe 10, 15 years ago but in todays game you need the speed guy and possesion guy followed by whatever else your offensive scheme intells. Id like to see the skins make a play for Roy Williams. He's not your prototypical possesion reciever ( he has some deep threat ability) but we need a big frame in the redzone and for jason to see behind the lb's.

VetSkinsFan wrote:

Assasin atm wrote:

langleyparkjoe wrote:I'm still really 'iffy' on signing WRs from other teams. I'm not saying they won't turn out great (Welker) but I still believe we have alot of talent at that position. Also, that Mix guy seems to be stepping up pretty well and even if its just special teams, he's getting some playing time. So what's really wrong with Moss, ARE, Cauldwell, McCardell, Trash, and Mix? Of course if you have a player of Chad Johnson's caliber available, you have to make that move. I do hope we use the draft to get some young linemen who we can 'groom' into our system and will be here for years cause obviously our guys are just too dag gone old.

I see in a problem in the wide reciever core- Age first of all. McCardell and Thrash's better years are behind them- we have number 1 in Moss but from there down its a rash of no.3 and 4 on any other team but 2 and 3 on ours. We need a big, young possesion wide out to even it all out. El is good but i dont think he is 2nd wideout caliber. We need young size at reciever, Mix is big but if he was cracked up to be a NFL wideout he probably would of got some reps in an injury soaked recieving corps.

Gibbs is known for NOT playing rookies. I am optimistic about Mix, though. He's a competitor (by his special teams play) and I'd liek to see what he has. There WAS a reason he was retained on Giants PS until we picked him up, and he wasn't a 1yr deal, he was a 3yr deal. 3yrs for a fill in for depleted receiving corps sounds odd to me. Sounds like they had potential plans for 'em.

Maybe historically he's doesnt play rookies but he sure did this year. And with all the reciever injuries, Mix didnt even get close enough to even sniff the field on the offensive side. Thats saying something. He's an extra body (big body) who might show some potential in three years but we need a big boy now.

We need Small Medium And Large. Like Wes Welker, Stallworth, And Moss. That seems to work well.

Assasin atm wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

Assasin atm wrote:

langleyparkjoe wrote:I'm still really 'iffy' on signing WRs from other teams. I'm not saying they won't turn out great (Welker) but I still believe we have alot of talent at that position. Also, that Mix guy seems to be stepping up pretty well and even if its just special teams, he's getting some playing time. So what's really wrong with Moss, ARE, Cauldwell, McCardell, Trash, and Mix? Of course if you have a player of Chad Johnson's caliber available, you have to make that move. I do hope we use the draft to get some young linemen who we can 'groom' into our system and will be here for years cause obviously our guys are just too dag gone old.

I see in a problem in the wide reciever core- Age first of all. McCardell and Thrash's better years are behind them- we have number 1 in Moss but from there down its a rash of no.3 and 4 on any other team but 2 and 3 on ours. We need a big, young possesion wide out to even it all out. El is good but i dont think he is 2nd wideout caliber. We need young size at reciever, Mix is big but if he was cracked up to be a NFL wideout he probably would of got some reps in an injury soaked recieving corps.

Gibbs is known for NOT playing rookies. I am optimistic about Mix, though. He's a competitor (by his special teams play) and I'd liek to see what he has. There WAS a reason he was retained on Giants PS until we picked him up, and he wasn't a 1yr deal, he was a 3yr deal. 3yrs for a fill in for depleted receiving corps sounds odd to me. Sounds like they had potential plans for 'em.

Maybe historically he's doesnt play rookies but he sure did this year. And with all the reciever injuries, Mix didnt even get close enough to even sniff the field on the offensive side. Thats saying something. He's an extra body (big body) who might show some potential in three years but we need a big boy now.

The only rookies we played was LL (we knew he was going to start), Heyer(forced into play by injuries) and Blades (injuries & Gibbs/Williams faith). I wouldn't totally discount him next year, especially if he shows well in pre-season.

VetSkinsFan wrote:

Assasin atm wrote:

VetSkinsFan wrote:

Assasin atm wrote:

langleyparkjoe wrote:I'm still really 'iffy' on signing WRs from other teams. I'm not saying they won't turn out great (Welker) but I still believe we have alot of talent at that position. Also, that Mix guy seems to be stepping up pretty well and even if its just special teams, he's getting some playing time. So what's really wrong with Moss, ARE, Cauldwell, McCardell, Trash, and Mix? Of course if you have a player of Chad Johnson's caliber available, you have to make that move. I do hope we use the draft to get some young linemen who we can 'groom' into our system and will be here for years cause obviously our guys are just too dag gone old.

I see in a problem in the wide reciever core- Age first of all. McCardell and Thrash's better years are behind them- we have number 1 in Moss but from there down its a rash of no.3 and 4 on any other team but 2 and 3 on ours. We need a big, young possesion wide out to even it all out. El is good but i dont think he is 2nd wideout caliber. We need young size at reciever, Mix is big but if he was cracked up to be a NFL wideout he probably would of got some reps in an injury soaked recieving corps.

Gibbs is known for NOT playing rookies. I am optimistic about Mix, though. He's a competitor (by his special teams play) and I'd liek to see what he has. There WAS a reason he was retained on Giants PS until we picked him up, and he wasn't a 1yr deal, he was a 3yr deal. 3yrs for a fill in for depleted receiving corps sounds odd to me. Sounds like they had potential plans for 'em.

Maybe historically he's doesnt play rookies but he sure did this year. And with all the reciever injuries, Mix didnt even get close enough to even sniff the field on the offensive side. Thats saying something. He's an extra body (big body) who might show some potential in three years but we need a big boy now.

The only rookies we played was LL (we knew he was going to start), Heyer(forced into play by injuries) and Blades (injuries & Gibbs/Williams faith). I wouldn't totally discount him next year, especially if he shows well in pre-season.

Thats alot. If we are going to spend money like usual this offseason we out to go after Roy Williams ( a proven good widereciever) i think it would boost the offense by leaps and bounds, instead of spending here and there for a bunch of players at that position that wont see the field.

Maybe Danny can talk Jerry Rice out of retirement....

Seriously though, Mix is a big body, and has played with JC in college, so chemistry is pre-installed. Mix just needs to learn this offense, which, looks like it takes about 2-3 years, by the time he'll be effective his contract will be up

Danny will prolly make a big WR splash signing of some sort

Randle El and Moss, that's a toss up there... Although I like El on the slot.

We need to keep Thrash, he's dependable on special teams.

SkinsJock wrote:We do need to get younger and build on our base through the draft but the players you need to help your team get better now come from around the NFL
players coming out of college are our future but our success this coming season will be because of how well our talent evaluators do in locating players in the NFL that can help our team now and for the future.

That's not necessarily true. Dwayne Bowe as a rookie this season had 995 yards and 5 td's, better numbers than any of our receivers had. It's too much to expect a rookie to come in and be a #1 right away (what Bowe did is very rare), but if we were to draft a guy like Sweed or Kelly I think that either would be able to step in and start as our #2 and be successful.

The one position were I definitely would not want to see a rookie starting is cb. We need to sign a free agent for that position.

I agree, no rookie CB's... I don't think Papa 'Los will be ready 100% to start in 08, I'm rehab will take a while. They did a great job signing Fletch, I'm hoping for another pickup like that from teh front office.

The team also signed linebacker Rian Wallace and offensive tackle Tavares Washington.

Assasin atm wrote:i Id like to see the skins make a play for Roy Williams. He's not your prototypical possesion reciever ( he has some deep threat ability) but we need a big frame in the redzone and for jason to see behind the lb's.

I'm not sold on Roy. He does an awful lot of talking, and it's not the good hearted banter of say Chad Johnson (not that I think we should go for him either). I think Roy would cause problems in the locker room.

LOSTHOG wrote:

Assasin atm wrote:i Id like to see the skins make a play for Roy Williams. He's not your prototypical possesion reciever ( he has some deep threat ability) but we need a big frame in the redzone and for jason to see behind the lb's.

I'm not sold on Roy. He does an awful lot of talking, and it's not the good hearted banter of say Chad Johnson (not that I think we should go for him either). I think Roy would cause problems in the locker room.

I would take either one of them. I never heard anything about Roy Williams causing locker room problems. Not to my knowledge anyway. I definitely think we should pick up a receiver from Detroit. We need a tall strong fast receiver for the red zone and as a possession receiver. But their are a lot receivers over 6'2 with at least 4.4 speed in the draft. We have a veteran core of receivers so I am sure they could school the rookie. But Mix is a interesting prospect. We could easily pick up a receiver in the later rounds. Go to rivals.com and check out the receivers list.

LOSTHOG wrote:

Assasin atm wrote:i Id like to see the skins make a play for Roy Williams. He's not your prototypical possesion reciever ( he has some deep threat ability) but we need a big frame in the redzone and for jason to see behind the lb's.

I'm not sold on Roy. He does an awful lot of talking, and it's not the good hearted banter of say Chad Johnson (not that I think we should go for him either). I think Roy would cause problems in the locker room.

He does have a history of that but who's to say that coming to dc wouldnt have a randy moss effect on him and being around a good franchise that wins more than detroit does might shut his mouth a little.

IMO, Houzamazilly is better than Chad for our team.... But I really doubt that we'll make a play for those names mentioned. I mean, C'mon this is a salary cap hell year isn't it? (for the 3rd year in a row =)


We need big bellies up front on both sides, plus we have "seeds" in our WR roster that we need take a look at, Mix for example. It doesn't matter how good a QB is if he's getting put on his head and running for his life, he will never find his recievers. Plus it doesn't matter how good our DB's can cover if we cannot get to the QB, look at the Seattle game. But I must say, almost everything is in place, playmakers, roleplayers, we have speed, we have some youth (more can't hurt) a few tweaks here and there, maybe another DE and a few more OL's we'll be back to power running. It is very sad that we lost the best player on the team, can you imagine how far more effective Landry would be if he's free to roam?