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i know it's early, but it's still fun. and since our season's over, it's not inappropriate...

there's a good chance derrick harvey or calais campbell could fall to the 21st pick. then we can get a tall, strong WR in the second round...hopefully an adarius bowman or keenan burton. with our third pick, we gotta get the best available DB, preferably safety...then we can start snagging OL and LB's

of course, this is all assuming we make no moves in FA...which i'm hoping for

your predictions?

I know we need Defensive line help, but I expect the Skins to draft Kenny Phillips Saftey from Miami. I just have a feeling.

I know we need Defensive line help, but I expect the Skins to draft Kenny Phillips Saftey from Miami. I just have a feeling.

While I like the sentiment, I think we have much bigger holes to fill on the defensive line.

Sir_Monk wrote:

I know we need Defensive line help, but I expect the Skins to draft Kenny Phillips Saftey from Miami. I just have a feeling.

While I like the sentiment, I think we have much bigger holes to fill on the defensive line.

We do have more than just one pick this year, right?

I'd love to get Phillips too, but I think he'll be long gone by the time the Skins are on the clock.

I really dont see this team going out and drafting a safety in the 1st round.. I believe we will make a move for a safety only after many other positions of need are filled 1st

(move to draft room once created)

My question to all you football guru's is where the skins draft at this year, what picks we have and lastly what you feel we need. Here is my feelings.

O line depth #1
Cornerback/Dback #2
Linebacker Depth #3
D Lineman #4
QB #5
WR #6

I still would like to see us bring in the RB we had last off season (M. Mason) if he's still available. That kid is good.

frankcal20 wrote:I still would like to see us bring in the RB we had last off season (M. Mason) if he's still available. That kid is good.

You got that right, that kid is good. He's currently on the practice squad and will certainly get another chance. I put this in the Portis thread:

Redskins.com wrote:
Mason signed with the Redskins as an undrafted free agent in April 2007...Finished his two years at Youngstown State amassing 2,739 yards rushing on 478 carries and scored 31 touchdowns...In 2006 as a senior, he was named consensus first-team Football Championship Subdivision All-American...Named to the Walter Camp Foundation, AFCA, The Sports Network, and the Associated Press All-America teams...Named Gateway Football Conference Offensive Player of the Year to go along with being named first-team all Gateway Conference...Set a single season school record rushing for 1,847 yards on 302 carries and 23 touchdowns...As a junior in 2005, he was named Gateway Football Conference?s Newcomer of the year after transferring from Illinois...Earned second-team All-Conference honors...Finished the season with 892 yards on 176 carries and eight touchdowns...Prior to transferring to Youngstown State, Mason attended the University of Illinois for two seasons...As a sophomore in 2004, he saw action in eight games mainly appearing on special teams...As a freshman in 2003, he appeared in eight games with one start...He finished the year rushing for 214 yards on 64 carries...Attended Georgetown Prep in Maryland...He is the all-time leading rusher (5,700 yards) in Maryland high school history...He also is the all-time leader in career touchdowns and points scored...Named Area player of the Year by The Gazette his junior and senior seasons...As a senior was named Metro Offensive Player of the Year by The Washington Post...


Mason plays special teams and he is quick. Rock is certainly a core Skin, but if he did go for the money, Mason would fill in nicely. I almost hate to say it, but I think Mason would be better than Rock, at RB and KR.

The Skins will sign most if not all of the PT players to 1-2 contracts so they can be at the park working out during the off-season. I'm sure Mason will be part of the group that will sign in the next few weeks

I know we need Defensive line help, but I expect the Skins to draft Kenny Phillips Saftey from Miami. I just have a feeling.

We don't need to be spending another first round pick on a defensive back. The defensive line has been ignored for long enough. We need to get better/tougher in the trenches.

I'd say that our needs would run something like this, and how I'd imagine we'd take care of each:

(1) D-line (draft, possibly a big-fa pickup)
(2) O-line youth / depth (fa / lower draft rounds)
(3) Big / possesion WR (mid-draft)
(4) Cornerback (fa / draft)
(5) LB depth (fa)

This year's wide receiver FA group is sizeable, as is the linebacker group, so I may be wrong on saying that we'll draft to get that big WR. There are some intriguing FA prospects for defensive line, making me think that Danny might splash on one, but to be honest I see us using our first round pick on the best d-lineman available--unless they really get eaten up high in the draft.

The good news is that DT's tend to be the defensive "quarterbacks" in the draft, and what we really need is a good (but BIG) DE pass rusher. We have speed in Carter and Wilson--it'd be great to get someone who has a physique that is closer to Philip Daniels or Renaldo Wynn. . .but with more talent and youth and fewer injuries.

Irn-Bru wrote:I'd say that our needs would run something like this, and how I'd imagine we'd take care of each:

(1) D-line (draft, possibly a big-fa pickup)
(2) O-line youth / depth (fa / lower draft rounds)
(3) Big / possesion WR (mid-draft)
(4) Cornerback (fa / draft)
(5) LB depth (fa)

I generally agree with this, but I'd move CB above WR. WR may actually not be such a priority IF Mix develops as they think he might. I'd also think about getting a young FB to groom, since Sellers is getting a bit older.

Definitely DL, specifically DE. We've ignored DE in the draft for too long, and Daniels is 35. Time to get a replacement. Can you imagine if Carter actually played with another lineman that could passrush (not taking anything away from Chris Wilson, who may turn out to be fantastic).

I'd love to get a big DE, who can slide inside for the 3rd down passrush...so we'd have Carter, DT, new DE, and Wilson as the 4 linemen. Not quite Strahan/Tuck/Umenyiora, but...it'd do.


Most definitely, offensive and defensive line.

PulpExposure wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:I'd say that our needs would run something like this, and how I'd imagine we'd take care of each:

(1) D-line (draft, possibly a big-fa pickup)
(2) O-line youth / depth (fa / lower draft rounds)
(3) Big / possesion WR (mid-draft)
(4) Cornerback (fa / draft)
(5) LB depth (fa)

I generally agree with this, but I'd move CB above WR. WR may actually not be such a priority IF Mix develops as they think he might. I'd also think about getting a young FB to groom, since Sellers is getting a bit older.

Definitely DL, specifically DE. We've ignored DE in the draft for too long, and Daniels is 35. Time to get a replacement. Can you imagine if Carter actually played with another lineman that could passrush (not taking anything away from Chris Wilson, who may turn out to be fantastic).

I'd love to get a big DE, who can slide inside for the 3rd down passrush...so we'd have Carter, DT, new DE, and Wilson as the 4 linemen. Not quite Strahan/Tuck/Umenyiora, but...it'd do.


Most definitely, offensive and defensive line.

Some of the mock drafts I've seen have Calais Campbell going around pick 19 or 20, so hopefully we will be in a position to draft him. He has the ability to get to the qb, but also has the size to stand up against the the run.

Where are we picking anyways? Do we know yet? We should.

frankcal20 wrote:Where are we picking anyways? Do we know yet? We should.

21st

Ok cool. That could work out in our favor b/c if there is a player there that people want, we may be able to trade out and pick up a 2nd rounder or a 1st round in '09 and an '08 2nd something like that.

I know a lot of you out there want a big wide receiver. I have a few guys here that have size and speed but will probably not be high draft picks. So one or more of these guys should be available in the later rounds if we need to grab a receiver.

Justin Harper - Va Tech 6'3" 206 I am more familiar with this guy than any others. I've watched him since high school. He really came into his own this year and made several spectacular catches. His numbers would have been better, but erratic QB hampered all of their WRs

De'Cody Fagg - FSU 6'3" 211 The length of his arms makes him play more like 6-6.

Lance Leggett - Miami 6'3" 193 This guy may be a true find. He may be the most under utilized talent to ever go to the U.

There are more out there of course, but these guys are playmakers.

Lance Leggett - Miami 6'3" 193 This guy may be a true find. He may be the most under utilized talent to ever go to the U.

Please god no. Absolutely not. As a Canes fan I can tell you that we want nothing to do with Leggett. He is absolutely worthless. Every single Canes fan was glad to see him go. Leggett was a 5 star recruit coming into Miami and did nothing to live up to his hype. He runs bad routes, drops passes, has alligator arms, doesn't always give fill effort, and at one point this season actually ducked out of the way of a pass that ended up getting picked off. Out of high school he was a track star who some people thought could turn his pure athletic ability into success on the football field. It didn't happen. Pass on Leggett for sure.

We need to try and find a gamechanging WR, not just a big possession WR. I would really like to see one taken in the first two rounds and another one at some point after that. Its also a priority to get young players at DE, LB, and OL, in addition to WR. Depending on what we do in FA i think we will draft people for those positions.

Possible 1st Rounders

Calais Campbell, Miami,6-8, 280 lbs., DE- Big DE who can play strong side and still get to Qb, like a less polished, bigger Mike Strahan. Unfortunately, our late run may have taken us out of his draft range but only time will tell.

James Hardy, Indiana, 6-7, 220 lbs, WR- Junior who may not declare but probly will. Averaged more than a TD per game in college. Tall, but also a severe speed threat. Lacks some physicality. Not hyped for first round yet but should get there after the combine and the typical draft hyping take place.

Adarius Bowman- 6-4, 220 Lbs., OK State, WR- Big WR with speed, hands, and ups. Somewhat checkered past, and somewhat raw on routes still.

Malcolm Kelly- 6-4 217 Oklahoma WR- is part of a trio of big, athletic Big 12 receivers that could go in the first round, along with Texas' Limas Sweed and Oklahoma State's Adarius Bowman. He has sure hands and can make the catches he's supposed to and more. Once he gets the ball in his grasp, he's got the quickness to go the distance.



Gosder Cherilus- 6-7 319lbs. OT- For four years, Cherilus protected his quarterback amazingly well and Ryan will be the first to credit Cherilus for the success this season of the Eagles' offense. However, he is not just a pass blocking tackle. The Boston College running game thrived under his leadership as well. Coming from O Linemen U, the four year starter has the pedigree, skills, and size to be playing right tackle on Sunday for a long, long time

Ryan Clady of Boise State is another good OT but should go earlier. If both those OT's are gone and they really want one Sam Baker out of USC is good. If Sweed, WR out of Texas, has a good combine, he could slip back into the first round after injury.Quentin Groves may also be an option but I think they are looking more for Daniels' replacement than carters. Derrick Harvey of Florida may be able to replace Daniels though and should go around then. He's the guy who sacked Troy Smith 3 times in the NCAA championship last year. I guess Aqib Talib out of Kansas is a possibilty since you can never have too many corners. He is a ballhawk in every sense of the word. His stock could skyrocket. Antoine Cason of Arizona is another decent corner.

Cason is a top 5 pick in my opinion. He's by far the best CB in the draft and may be the best Def. player. That kid is amazing.

CanesSkins26 wrote:Some of the mock drafts I've seen have Calais Campbell going around pick 19 or 20, so hopefully we will be in a position to draft him. He has the ability to get to the qb, but also has the size to stand up against the the run.

I have to credit you for bringing him to my attention initially, and I did some more research on him.

I think he'd be perfect...

PulpExposure wrote:

CanesSkins26 wrote:Some of the mock drafts I've seen have Calais Campbell going around pick 19 or 20, so hopefully we will be in a position to draft him. He has the ability to get to the qb, but also has the size to stand up against the the run.

I have to credit you for bringing him to my attention initially, and I did some more research on him.

I think he'd be perfect...

True. I live in Florida and have watched him at the U as well. He would be a perfect fit. I'd take him in a heartbeat.

The Skins are without a head coach, which makes any theories about the draft at this point spurious (not Spurrier), but what are these boards for anyway?

Linemen would be a top priority of mine every year (you’ve got to win the battle in the trenches) but I can’t see picking one first this year unless there’s some real quality left when the 21st pick comes around. Glenn Dorsey (LSU) is the top DL and Jake Long (Michigan) is the best OL. They’ll probably go in the top five. Sedrick Ellis (USC) will go quickly, and Chris Long would be an early pick too.

Among the skill positions, a player who is very versatile and who could still be around by the time of Skins first pick is Felix Jones. He’s been living in McFadden’s shadow at Arkansas for three years, but he’s a great RB in his own right. He’s also a top flight kick returner and can catch the ball too. He hasn’t announced eligibility yet, but he will soon (Jan. 15 deadline).

I read that he announced it this morning, or said he was also ocming foregoing his senior year just like McFadden, anyway. Wasn't an official announcement.

I have the ONLY concrete draft prediction.

No matter which player at whatever position we take, somebody won't be happy about it and will be here bitching and complaining. And you can take that to the bank.

Limas Sweed, Kenny Phillips, Kentwan Balmer, Calais Campbell, Vernon Gholston, Malcolm Kelly, Derrick Harvey



Any of those would do