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Hey ive been down on the team lately no doubt...but a closer look reveals some positive things...#1 OUR SCHEDULE REMAINING IS NOT THAT BAD...
#2 9-7 is the last seed spot.maybe even 8-8.not 10-6 LIKE 05..

heres why

LIONS 6-4
12 Nov 22 GB @ DET
13 Dec 02 DET @ MIN
14 Dec 09 DAL @ DET
15 Dec 16 DET @ SD
16 Dec 23 KC @ DET
17 Dec 30 DET @ GB ......
10-6 is really pushing it with them 9-7(HECK THEY MIGHT BE 8-8 WHEN ITS SAID DONE) is very real plus we hold tie breakers

EAGLES are 5-5 but play NE this week..uh make it 5-6
plus road games vs NYG and Dallas left....9-7 at best..plus we hold a better conf record than them 8-8 ALSO VERY REAL HERE

Cardinals 5-5 --we hold tie breakers here but there schedule is BY FAR the easiest of all left
12 Nov 25 SF @ ARI
13 Dec 02 CLE @ ARI
14 Dec 09 ARI @ SEA
15 Dec 16 ARI @ NO
16 Dec 23 ATL @ ARI
17 Dec 30 STL @ ARI ......

Now the only scary part is if Seattle6-4(1 gm lead over AZ) falls into the WC...
THATS A DISASTER FOR THE SKINS......we need Seattle to win out
because they already are 5-2 in the conference so they hold playoff tie breakers vs the skins

Id love peoples thoughts and feedback....

Right. From the Redskins perspective, it's a four way race to the last wild card spot. In 2005, the team was 5-5, and as it turned out, needed to go 4-2 to make the playoffs. It's probably going to be the same deal in 2007.

Actually in 05 it was 5-1 down the stretch and we landed at 10-6

I think this year 9-7 will defintely be the last seed ...and if the CARDINALS free fall with that schedule ...8-8 is an outside chance

we are not going. We play to our competition and we have too many injuries.

MEZZSKIN wrote:

LIONS 6-4
12 Nov 22 GB @ DET
13 Dec 02 DET @ MIN
14 Dec 09 DAL @ DET
15 Dec 16 DET @ SD
16 Dec 23 KC @ DET
17 Dec 30 DET @ GB ......

Wow ... I think there is a very real possibility the Lions go 0-6 over that stretch. That offensive line is just so bad. They've given up 40 sacks, they made our defensive line look like Pittsburgh's. Not drafting Joe Thomas should finally get Matt Millen fired. Dallas is third in sacks, Green Bay is fifth so that's three losses right there. No chance do they beat Minnesota and while San Diego is unfortunately coached by Norval, that's a home game and the Chargers are 4-1 at home. I think the Chiefs' defense is too good for them but that's a game I could see Detroit pulling out.

frankcal20 wrote:we are not going. We play to our competition and we have too many injuries.

Well geez Frank, you sure you didn't just wanna shoot us in the process? ANYTHING is possible man!!! I look at most things pessimistically but with the NFC being the way it is, our offense playing much better weekly, and some of our hurt players coming back, we might have a chance. As for the whole playing to our competition thing, I kinda agree with that but now its crunch time and if we did it in '05, imagine what we can do now with a better offense!!!

GO SKINS !!! CRUSH DA BUX !!!

fios completely agree....Thta Lion has a YEOMANS TASK ahead of them..
8-8 is very real there...VERY VERY REAL

Playoffs?

cmon Chris we can dream right?.....
Why else would we put ourselves thru this week in week out torture

MEZZSKIN wrote:Actually in 05 it was 5-1 down the stretch and we landed at 10-6

Right, but we actually would have made the playoffs at 9-7, as we held the tiebreakers over Dallas and Minnesota.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Playoffs?

Why not? Have you looked at the remaining opponents and the other wild card contenders?

Its possible. But, we have to get to winning. We are on a two game losing streak.

These really close games and then lose suff, has to stop. And same for this "sitting on a one score lead" crap has to stop.

If that happens, we have a shot.

If its going to be SOS, then we are done for the season.

I see yoiur point spurrier but not your factoring that if we lose in Philly last game of the year Dallas had a home game that night vs St louis which i bet they win convincingly to clinch
instead that stadium was a morgue knowing the Skins already clinched and the team was flat as a pancake..matter of fact i think Henson even got reps in that game--hence they lost knowing it was meaningless

and remember we were 5-6 that year..so we went 5-0 to clinch

Fios wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Playoffs?

Why not? Have you looked at the remaining opponents and the other wild card contenders?

Yes I have. I'll explain why I laughed.

1. From the start of this season I said that I don't expect anything big or serious. I expect this season to propel them into a SB run in 2008.

2. I feel that we do not have the key players to do anything worth a darn in the playoffs. Mainly a pass rush that is consistent and a possesion WR.

3. I don't feel that this offense has an identity. Still, even after this past game. I'm sorry but I've been fooled by the Detroit game.

4. We do not have Sean Taylor for another 2 weeks or so. Will our offense have the audacity to score more than 1 TD and a hanful of FG's.

5. My lack of confidence in Gibbs not to waste timeouts or put players in position to need to waste them. Hopefully this no huddle will remedy that.


Dude, I simply don't believe in Gibbs. Maybe it's just all this bull that I'm going through personally but I'm really at the end of my stick with him. He says nothing to instill confidence and obviously the win/loss column speaks for himself. He acts like he's afraid of everything... And people say its a charade! Well maybe that was true in 1940 but here in 2007 it's apparent that he doesn't have any fire. I don't need him cursing folk out but he is entirely too content with just eeking by. That *insert whatever* *insert whatever* attitude has lost games IMHO.

Quite frankly I don't give a *insert hate* what anyone thinks about how I feel because it's warranted. I have 15 years of hatred built up in my heart.

Sorry man, I'm just pissed for a myraid of reasons. To answer your question... I don't believe that this team is elite. This team will not win the superbowl this year and I don't believe in Joe Gibbs as much as I want to. As much as I want to believe the hype and the legend, it's not real to me becuase I did not experience it. I didn't enjoy it or bask in it. He's just another dude in a history book. Norv is real. Marty, Spurrier, tHat's real to me. And Gibbs verion 2.0 is real to me and his sub .500 record.

Well CLL, you can take heart from the fact that Gibbs II has a 9-6 record in December and January regular season games. 8-2 if you don't include last season when JC was getting his first starts. Randy Thomas and Sean Taylor will be back for the December run, so our chances of making the playoffs are actually quite good this season, even if it seems bleak right now.

you know what chris ...i hear ya brother.....its been bad ...but heres some key points to think about....
#1--this team doesnt need to be prefect or "elite" to make the playoffs
They just need to go 4-2 for a real real chance....so they have wiggle room as crazy as that might seem..

#2-for all there weaknesses coachs and players....they never never give up on one another...and sometimes good things to guys that never give up

just keep your head up...because the whole season is still in front of us...we control it....and i know ive been negative but I need to get past it and realize "hey it can be worse" and in reality 5-5 is what they are no more no less ..you are what your are....dude there is alot of losses still go for NFC contenders ....its a 9-7 8-8 playoff year mark my words.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Sorry man, I'm just pissed for a myraid of reasons. To answer your question... I don't believe that this team is elite. This team will not win the superbowl this year...

So what? This isn't the Super Bowl thread, or even the "Legitimate Contender" thread - it's the wild card thread.

This team is just as talented as the 2005 version, even with all the injuries. And unlike 2005, this team has an X-factor - Jason Campbell is only going to get better, unlike Mark Brunell, who either plateaued or declined, depending who you ask. Are they going to win a championship? No. Can they make the playoffs, and make this season memorable? Absolutely.

It is easy.


Basically if you win at least 80 percent of your games, then you should go to the playoffs.

Our team obviously is at a halfway point. Many questions to this team.

I think the main question will be, will the injured players heal up in time to make a playoff run.

As of late our offense has been showing life, yet at the same time our once stout defense is slowing down.

So for me, the key guy on our defense is Taylor. We can least afford to have him sit out more than two weeks. As evidenced by yesterdays four touchdown debacle.

We must have Taylor healthy to make a run at this thing. Dallas exploited our one weakness on D yesterday. Amazing how that yielded them four touchdowns. On that one weak link. Springs had his worst game of the year as well.

Our offensive line has shown some cohesiveness, also Jason Campbell has been looking good. Heck even our Wide outs showed some heart yesterday.

Steve Spurrier III wrote:So what? This isn't the Super Bowl thread, or even the "Legitimate Contender" thread - it's the wild card thread.

A memorable season? Horray! Guess who else has tons upon tons of memorable seasons? The Eagles!! And look how we joke and jab at them for that. Personally 2005 won't mean jack *insert hatred* in 6 years and neither will 2007 unless this year is truly what I hope it is and that is a spring board into CONSISTENCY AND GROWTH.

But, I've worn out of "faith" and this all knowing Joe Gibbs fictactious character that has been fabricated, master offensive guru. I'll believe it when I see it. I'll believe it when we string together CONSECUTIVE winning seasons. Wanna get my faith up in Gibbs? Win some *insert hate* games. I can keep praying to this solution of eye contact solution but until it speaks back and blesses me, it's futile. Show me.

Anything less than a superbowl win is failure the same way it is for Philly. Let's not have double standards for every team.

Now history tells us that next year IF we make the playoffs this year that we will find a way to go sub .500. So maybe thats why this hopeful wishing of a wildcard spot is around, to keep you warm just incase we follow tradition next year.

So basically, I'm just saying show me. Show & prove. Joe, shut up and stop talking about it. Do it. Do what needs to be done. And I don't need a win to be satisfied. In all honesty I was satisfied with yesterdays loss just because I saw PROGRESS. I saw growth. I did NOT see an offense stuck in neutral like usual.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Anything less than a superbowl win is failure the same way it is for Philly. Let's not have double standards.

I don't have double standards. I think Philadelphia's 2004 NFC Championship has intrinsic value, just like I think Washington's 1972 NFC Championship has value. Even though the ultimate goal is always a ring, that doesn't mean they're aren't different degrees of failure. If it's all the same to you, that's fine, although it doesn't explain why you are complaining about the team's chances of winning a Super Bowl in a thread about the team's chances of making the playoffs.

What if the team makes the playoffs and uses that as a springboard into consistency and growth? What would be the drawback to the team making the playoffs?

Steve Spurrier III wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Anything less than a superbowl win is failure the same way it is for Philly. Let's not have double standards.

I don't have double standards. I think Philadelphia's 2004 NFC Championship has intrinsic value, just like I think Washington's 1972 NFC Championship has value. Even though the ultimate goal is always a ring, that doesn't mean their aren't different degrees of failure. If it's all the same to you, that's fine, although it doesn't explain why you are complaining about the team's chances of winning a Super Bowl in a thread about the team's chances of making the playoffs.

1. I was asked to express how I felt. Send your kind words to Fios for requesting my opinion. I've been content in not expressing my hatred for the past few weeks, my post count has droped from 20+ a day to about 15 a week.

2. I acknowledged that there is degrees of failure. Point blank, anything short of a ring is failure... But I did say that if growth and CONSISTENCY is shown the following year than this year can be viewed as a success!

Why was 2005 a failure? Cus nothing came of it. Nothing came of the run, the 5 in a row or we don't go. Sure we got good players but nothing came of the success of 2005. It might as have not even happened. The early success of 2007 was due to the poor 2006 season but it was derailed due to injury.

Will there be consistency and growth? I doubt it cus nothing has been done to remove that doubt.

Fios wrote:What if the team makes the playoffs and uses that as a springboard into consistency and growth? What would be the drawback to the team making the playoffs?

Will they? Have they in the past? (during this millenia, 1283 doesn't count) I'd love for them to. I hope they do. But right now, I'm just all out of blind faith for Gibbs. I'm sorry... I wish I had it.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Playoffs?

Ok, coach Mora......

CLL has good points as I feel the same way....We didn't springboard off 2005 at all. Gibbs has done nothing since he been here and that is unfortunate, but true.

All we got in 3.5 yrs is inconsistency, halftime blows, one week a bad defense, next week good d, bad o, no running game, next week good running game, etc....etc...

same ol' same ol' laughable losers. just a .500 team.

I sat there when Campbell drove us to the 19 and for 5 sec, I got this adrenaline rush thinking "wow, are we gonna step up and punch these guys out? Is this the springboard game to take this team up a notch? I feel it!" Then I remember going "run Campbell, run!!"...the rest was history and we leave Texas stadium, once again, losers...

We choked hardcore the week b4, just choked....

just when O starts heating up (Portis, receiver TD's, Campbell) the D blows...

Until this team gains an identity like the 05 run, we'll be just your average Joe Blow or average Joe Gibbs v2 team.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:1. I was asked to express how I felt.

No, you interjected yourself into this discussion with:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Playoffs?

That's an obvious reference to Jim Mora and his infamous 2001 speech in which he expresses his shock at the mere suggestion of the Colts making the postseason. Don't pretend you that you didn't mock the Redskins ability to make the playoffs.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:2. I acknowledged that there is degrees of failure. Point blank, anything short of a ring is failure... But I did say that if growth and CONSISTENCY is shown the following year than this year can be viewed as a success!

Fine. That still doesn't change that fact that this is a thread about the 2007 team's wild card chances. This isn't a thread about the long-term future of the team. But start one - it's a fantastic, worthy topic that I'd be happy to participate in.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Why was 2005 a failure? Cus nothing came of it. Nothing came of the run, the 5 in a row or we don't go. Sure we got good players but nothing came of the success of 2005. It might as have not even happened.

I just don't agree at all. Was 1972 a complete failure? Northing came of that. Not a single player of on the 1972 team was around in 1982. Does it count for nothing? There's not really a right or wrong answer here, but to me, 1972 mattered, and still matters. Was 2005 ultimately a failure? Sure. But it still was memorable.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:The early success of 2007 was due to the poor 2006 season but it was
derailed due to injury.

Will there be consistency and growth? I doubt it cus nothing has been done to remove that doubt.

You doubt it, and therefore it must be so because you doubt it? You don't seem some flaws in that logic?

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Fios wrote:What would be the drawback to the team making the playoffs?

Will they?

Exactly.