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roybus14 wrote:Your thoughts.....

roybus14 wrote:Went Bad and Then Worst.....

The offense went bad when Joe Gibbs came back and decided that he would trade, at the time, the best cover corner in the game for a running back that is not a "Redskins Football" type of running back. Instead of sending Bailey to the Jets for Lamont Jordan (a definite Redskins type of back) and possibly John Abraham (a need at DE) and another player, he opted for Portis. Now I'm not saying Portis is a dog or sucks or anything like that but he's just not a "Redskins Football" type of RB, IMO.

Then Joe Gibbs decides that he would bring in Mark Brunell who was well passed his prime and on the down swing of his career, pushing Patrick Ramsey aside and never really giving the kid a chance, nor looking for any other QBs.


This seems to me to be an accurate summary of the last four years, unfortunately, the most fatal of the elements being Gibbs' failure to adapt to the new NFL and his acquistion of Brunell. His handling of personel, in particular his insistence on forcing players into his system rather than exploiting their talents, has been damaging, even more than his losing players and wasting players on the bench.
Then you saw what happened. We wallowed thru that season and "squeaked" into the playoffs only to lose because the offense could not get it going and Mr. Rogers dropped a sure Int. for touchdown that may have sealed the game.

Then without any notice to the players, as evident by their grumbling of why they were getting away from what they had at the end of the season, Joe Gibbs goes and signs Al Saunders. Al Saunders offense is differently different from Joe Gibbs' offense and the players were not sold it. The offense struggled with Al's offense and at the same time Gibbs was still meddling with the offensive game plan. Well you know the rest of the story for that season.

Now, the offense has gotten worse even though we have a new, young, strong-arm QB. Why? Partly because of injuries but mostly because Gibbs has still not relinquished control of the offense to Al and this team is struggling with this "mixed bag." Add on the failure by Gibbs to make in-game and half-time adjustments, which he was famously known for in the past. Yes, I said Gibbs and did not say Saunders or Gibbs and Saunders. Why? Because Joe has his hands all in Al's cookie jar. Top all of that off with the fact that you have young QB who's just going through the motions and not being put into position to really lead this offense. Partly because of his demeanor and partly because of Gibbs' ultra-conservative nature.

So to sum it all up:

This offense went from bad to worse because of the decision making of the HC. Yes, folks have been saying "well what about the players?" Yes the players do have some fault in all of this but it's up to the HC to lead them, get them disciplined and on the same page, and get them ready to win each Sunday. That's why you have coaches in sports. Someone has to manage the game and the players, otherwise you would have total chaos. It's up to the coaches to game-plan and instruct these guys on what to do and if these players can't get it done, cut them loose.


Your thoughts.....

JSPB22 wrote:That non-"Redskins Football" type of running back owns the single season rushing record for this franchise. He earned this record despite missing the final two and a half games with an injury, so you can't even say he did it over 16 games where past RBs only had 14 games in a season.

According to you, our bad offense in 2004 (30th in the league), went to worse in 2005 (11th in the league) and 2006 (13th in the league).

Maybe you should get back on that bus, Roy.

joebagadonuts wrote:I think perhaps it's not that the offense has gotten wrose (which rankings prove is not the case), but that it has not gotten significantly better. We were expecting something more, and didn't get it.

GSPODS wrote:Anyone who thought or expected as much was fooling themself. It may still happen but certainly not overnight.

riggofan wrote:Not really buying all of this argument.

Injuries aside, Portis has been a decent Redskin.

I'll share your frustration though about the Brunell fiasco. We wasted a lot of time there and still can't throw the ball downfield it seems.

cleg wrote:Brunell sucked, that's all and I hated every game he played for us.

JSPB22 wrote:

cleg wrote:Brunell sucked, that's all and I hated every game he played for us.

Even the two Cowpie games in 2005?

cleg wrote:

JSPB22 wrote:

cleg wrote:Brunell sucked, that's all and I hated every game he played for us.

Even the two Cowpie games in 2005?

An aberration. I am tired of having that be the highlight of the last 15 years of Redskin football too.

JSPB22 wrote:

cleg wrote:

JSPB22 wrote:

cleg wrote:Brunell sucked, that's all and I hated every game he played for us.

Even the two Cowpie games in 2005?

An aberration. I am tired of having that be the highlight of the last 15 years of Redskin football too.

May be, but you said you hated every game he played for us. And sad as it may be, those two games and the blocked kick game last season, are the highlights from the last 15 years of the rivalry.

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:

JSPB22 wrote:

cleg wrote:

JSPB22 wrote:

cleg wrote:Brunell sucked, that's all and I hated every game he played for us.

Even the two Cowpie games in 2005?

An aberration. I am tired of having that be the highlight of the last 15 years of Redskin football too.

May be, but you said you hated every game he played for us. And sad as it may be, those two games and the blocked kick game last season, are the highlights from the last 15 years of the rivalry.

Don't forget the 5 in a row or we don't go feat, also QB'd by Brunell.

cleg wrote:

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:

JSPB22 wrote:

cleg wrote:

JSPB22 wrote:

cleg wrote:Brunell sucked, that's all and I hated every game he played for us.

Even the two Cowpie games in 2005?

An aberration. I am tired of having that be the highlight of the last 15 years of Redskin football too.

May be, but you said you hated every game he played for us. And sad as it may be, those two games and the blocked kick game last season, are the highlights from the last 15 years of the rivalry.

Don't forget the 5 in a row or we don't go feat, also QB'd by Brunell.

Big whoop.

joebagadonuts wrote:

GSPODS wrote:Anyone who thought or expected as much was fooling themself. It may still happen but certainly not overnight.

Well, I think roy's argument is that we've had three-plus years under Gibbs, and one-plus under Saunders so far. After all that time, we should be seeing that significant improvement we were expecting. Which won't happen until they give this W. Rose guy a shot.

aswas71788 wrote:First, Bailey was not going to stay with the Redskins no matter what. Everyone seems to forget that fact. Clinton Portis has been everything that the Redskins could want in a running back. As for Brunell, I agree with the sentiment. He may have given the best he had at the time but he was long past his production years. I still have misgivings about the way Gibbs handled the Ramsey affair. Ramsey got a raw deal from Spurrier, who painted a bulls-eye on him and said to the other teams, Come and get him! Gibbs handling of the Ramsey affair was very unprofessional, at best. Gibbs seemingly was right about Ramsey's ability since Ramsey has not been very effective with other teams. However, that incident seems to be the indication of things to come; Bailey, Pierce, Archuleta, Arrington, Lloyd, etc. Every year internal problems seem to be the norm in the Redskins. If it was one player, one year, I can agree that it is the player. But when there is a player(s) every year, I think it is the fault of the coaches.

Injuries have had been a big part of the offenses problem but all teams suffer injuries and are expected to find a way to counter those injuries. Al Saunders offense has worked everywhere he has been except here after the first year. The difference here is that Joe Gibbs continues to tweek(?), interfere (?) in the offensive scheme. Why should the players buy into Saunders scheme when they know that Gibbs doesn't?

Gibbs has done some good things, Portis, Moss, Fletcher, Taylor, Landry. But, I am not impressed with Gibbs 2. The team is disfunctional.

My only question would be why hire a OC when you know you don't like his style? He had to have known he didn't want him calling plays like that when he hired him.