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Does Jason Campbell have the persona or personality to lead an NFL Team???

Jason Campbell was inserted into the starting line late last season, spent the entire off-season working on Al Saunders play book and his technique. We are eight games into the season and it appears that Jason Campbell's calm presence and demeanor may not be what is really needed for this football team.

Why would you say that Roy?? With this offense seriously struggling, one would think that the QB would show some fire and go after guys and coaches to get this offense going. It's like JC is just happy to be behind center and is just going with the flow.

A few things you don't see from this QB that you see in some of the better QBs around the league:

1. Taking the initiative and huddling with coaches and teammates on the sideline looking at snapshots at what worked, what didn't work, and what he thinks could work. Most of the time, they show JC on the sideline sitting quietly and it's normally one of the other offensive coaches approaching him with snapshots from the previous series. At least I have not seen him huddled with Moss, ARE, ey, etc. looking at snapshots or talking about what did or didn't work. Maybe season ticket holders on the board that have the vantage point of looking at the sideline more than the cameras can chime in.

2. Communicating with his WRs after missed routes or passes on the field. You see guys like Manning, Brady, Brees, Rivers, and even Clemons talking to and hand gesturing to their WRs on missed plays on the field.

3. No fire or emotion when we get a big play or a bad play. If the O-Line breaks down and he get's sacked or alot of pressure, you don't see him clapping his hands or trying to encourage his linemen to block better. After a big play, you don't see him getting excited and pumping guys up. It's normally the same thing after every play; look to the sideline for the play, and give the "come-in" gesture with his fingers for the guys to huddle up. The good QBs in this league are demanding of their offensive teammates. Brady was shown screaming at his lineman when we got the one sack on him and they were blowing us out.


It's not about how young this guy is and what not. He's been annointed the starting QB job so he needs to start showing something other than going through the motions. If he speaks up in practice and says to Al or Joe, "we need to start going down field more and this offense needs to open up." What are they going to do bench him for speaking his mind? During the game, take a chance and call an audible if you see something different in the defense or you know something will open up because the CB is playing too far back. What's wrong with working more with your WRs on little hand signals and gestures that are "hot reads" and changes their route from a curl to a quick slant? It's like JC is scared to step forward.

It's just my observation..... Your thoughts.......

Al would open up the offense.
Joe will pull the reigns in.
Jason does what he's told.
Guess who's winning this battle?

GSPODS wrote:Al would open up the offense.
Joe will pull the reigns in.
Jason does what he's told.
Guess who's winning this battle?

yep that about sums it up.

GSPODS wrote:Al would open up the offense.
Joe will pull the reigns in.
Jason does what he's told.
Guess who's winning this battle?

Is that a haiku?

All I want to know is..

WHY DOES HE CONTINUE TO MISS THE DEEP BALL?????????????

OVER AND OVER AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!

WHY??????????

All we here people talking about is "he has a great deep ball", and "we have the QB to throw deep and we need to do it more".

BUT EVERYTIME WE DO THROW DEEP HE MISSED.

WHY???????


EDIT: Id also like to add that as usuall its ok for JC to overthrow Moss but when Lloyd is overthrown its all Lloyds fault.

Bob 0119 wrote:

GSPODS wrote:Al would open up the offense.
Joe will pull the reigns in.
Jason does what he's told.
Guess who's winning this battle?

Is that a haiku?

I've been called a lot of things but a poet is not one of them.

BnGhog wrote:All I want to know is..

WHY DOES HE CONTINUE TO MISS THE DEEP BALL?????????????

OVER AND OVER AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!

WHY??????????

All we here people talking about is "he has a great deep ball", and "we have the QB to throw deep and we need to do it more".

BUT EVERYTIME WE DO THROW DEEP HE MISSED.

WHY???????


EDIT: Id also like to add that as usuall its ok for JC to overthrow Moss but when Lloyd is overthrown its all Lloyds fault.

I think it's a combination of things.


1. Injuries, doghouse, and age.... The deep ball to Moss in OT on Sunday kind of showed that he is hobbling because he appeared to pull up a little. Because of the injuries, guys being in the "dog house" (Lloyd), and age (Caldwell and McCardell), guys are not getting in the work with him to get those deep balls down....

2. JC is probably spending more time on the playbook than working with the WRs. Either that or the WRs don't have time or feel it necessary to work with him on the deep balls.

BnGhog wrote:EDIT: Id also like to add that as usuall its ok for JC to overthrow Moss but when Lloyd is overthrown its all Lloyds fault.

That's not altogether true. I've heard people mention Santana "letting up" on that play, on account of injury.

The difference between Santana and #85 is that Moss bruised heel will heal, whereas #85's bruised ego won't .

roybus14 wrote:Does Jason Campbell have the persona or personality to lead an NFL Team???

If Joe believes he does, I do, as well. The guy was right on in his asessment of both Ramsey AND Brunell.

rb14 wrote:We are eight games into the season and it appears that Jason Campbell's calm presence and demeanor may not be what is really needed for this football team...With this offense seriously struggling, one would think that the QB would show some fire and go after guys and coaches to get this offense going.

That role is usually played by a wily veteran. We already went that route from 04-06, with mixed results. In time, he will earn the right to "fire up" the team, IMO.

rb14 wrote:It's like JC is just happy to be behind center and is just going with the flow...He's been annointed the starting QB job so he needs to start showing something other than going through the motions...It's like JC is scared to step forward.

I think he's also happy to be 5-3 at this point. Following 5-11, that's a huge accomplishment.

REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:

BnGhog wrote:EDIT: Id also like to add that as usuall its ok for JC to overthrow Moss but when Lloyd is overthrown its all Lloyds fault.

That's not altogether true. I've heard people mention Santana "letting up" on that play, on account of injury.

The difference between Santana and #85 is that Moss bruised heel will heal, whereas #85's bruised ego won't .

If you're referring to the INT in the end zone earlier this year with Lloyd no one expected him to actually catch it. The issue was the hand wave attempt at diverting the INT. Then there's Lloyd's attitude last year on the ball falling at his feet when he was even offered the out he lost it in the lights.

The difference is Santana's built credibility by laying it out for us and delivering many times and #85 hasn't.

Are you seriously questioning the best young QB we've had on this team since . . . who? You name me a better young Redskins quarterback over the last 15 years. Name for me a better young quarterback on any team with three years or less of experience right now?

To question his demeanor and presence is an insult to him.

To question his skill set is equally as ludicrous.

He's played 15 games and is 5-3 this year! The Skins are a winning team under his play.

And please, name for me a better QB for this team who is realistic to sign this offseason or draft?

GSPODS wrote:Al would open up the offense.
Joe will pull the reigns in.
Jason does what he's told.
Guess who's winning this battle?

What a steaming pile...

How many SB throphies does Saunders have a an offensive coordinator?

Zero!

How many does Gibbs have as a head coach?

Three!

Don't even start that Al was the offensive mind behind the graetest show on turf, because that is simple wrong. That was Mike Martz! Saunder bears almost no responsibility for the Rams great offenses.

Maybe, just maybe, Joe Gibbs knows how to win games.
Maybe, just maybe, Joe Gibbs knows that this team can only be good if they have an effective running game.
Maybe, just maybe, Joe Gibbs knows Jason Campbell is not ready to carry a team that has an suspect OL and average WRs.
Maybe, just Maybe Joe Gibbs should have never brought Al here.

Do you think Saunders system has helped the Skin? How many playoff games has a team with Al Saunders as an O. Coordinator won?
Zippy. Gibbs has won one just two years after being out of football for 11 years.

Maybe, just maybe everyone calling for Joe Gibbs to open the playbook up and just let Al do what he does should just remember what you are getting with Saunders is an Offensive coordinator that has never won a playoff game, much less a SB.

Is this the part where that Brittany Spears fan makes a crying video?

"Leave Jason Campbell alone!! Leave him alone! It's not his fault the offensive line is all injured and his recievers are allegic to thrown leather!"

BnGhog wrote:All I want to know is..

WHY DOES HE CONTINUE TO MISS THE DEEP BALL?????????????

OVER AND OVER AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!

WHY??????????

All we here people talking about is "he has a great deep ball", and "we have the QB to throw deep and we need to do it more".

BUT EVERYTIME WE DO THROW DEEP HE MISSED.

WHY???????


EDIT: Id also like to add that as usuall its ok for JC to overthrow Moss but when Lloyd is overthrown its all Lloyds fault.

Sorry but you are way off track. He missed Moss in the Philly game. A healthy Moss catches that ball against the Jets. Moss dropped a perfect deep pass against the Packers. Thrash dropped a perfect deep pass against the Cardinals. Thrash would've had a deep catch against the Cardinals but he got flagged for offensive pass interference. Thrash should've caught the deep ball in the end zone against the Jets. If Lloyd properly times his jump against the Dolphins he probably catches a deep td. Against the Cardinals JC slightly overthrew Lloyd, but Lloyd got both hands on the ball.

So to sum it up...

He has missed some deep balls
The health of his receivers affects the ability to complete long passes
We have the wrong receivers running deep patterns (Thrash)
There have been numerous drops on deep balls
At some point one of his receivers has to go out and make a play and that hasn't happened yet
Most importantly, we don't run the plays enough during games so the timing just isn't there

Bob 0119 wrote:Is this the part where that Brittany Spears fan makes a crying video?

"Leave Jason Campbell alone!! Leave him alone! It's not his fault the offensive line is all injured and his recievers are allegic to thrown leather!"

lol..

skinsfan#33 wrote:What a steaming pile...

The 'steaming pile' is bringing in Al Saunders in the first place if Joe Gibbs is going to continue to call the offensive plays. Vinnie Cerrato could have been an offensive Yesman, and he is already on the staff.

I'm just giving my opinion of what I see.....

This team needs a spark on the offense. It needs to come somewhere and IMO, at this point, it probably should be from Campbell. The other guys are just towing the company line right now and Campbell is in the best position to spark a change. Somebody needs to step up and be that offense's leader.


And let's stop with the "O-Line This" and the "O-Line That" for criss-sake. These are grown-azz men getting paid a lot of money to do what they do.

I guess I might as well stop posting on this board because I might hurt people's feelings because I questioned the young QB.......


I think that JC has a HUGE upside but there will come a time where he's gonna have to start getting better results on the field because otherwise, people are going to assume either he doesn't care, he doesn't have a clue, or he's doing his absolute best and that ain't cuttin' it because of his demeanor. It's cool to be calm under pressure and all that but with that, you have start bringing something more to the table than just be calm, cool and collective and that's results.

Example of what I'm talking about: Joe Dumars former Detroit Piston. Joe Dumar was from the country just like Jason and was a "calm cool customer" just like Jason but he was on the best two-guards of his era. He didn't say much or show much emotion but he would shut you down and carve you up. One of the guys Michael Jordan hated playing against the most. Not only could he defend MJ reasonably well but he also scored on him too. And did without jaw-jacking with MJ or anybody for that matter...

So JC can be calm and cool but he has to start being effective..... Otherwise, he's another one of those guys that just "manages" games not to make mistakes or take chances.....

Roybus. I get what you're saying, but I just don't know that they're letting Campbell do all that much right now. It sure doesn't look like it, so it seems kind of hard to judge him.

There have been a few times (especially late late season) where late in games, Skins down a few points, Campbell has looked really good and was able to make stuff happen. Either hitting big throws or picking up yardage himself.

I don't know. I just think the people who are saying the handcuffs are on JC have a valid point. True or not, it LOOKS to me like JC is being asked to manage these games like Brunell did. Hand the ball off and keep moving the chains.

riggofan wrote:Roybus. I get what you're saying, but I just don't know that they're letting Campbell do all that much right now. It sure doesn't look like it, so it seems kind of hard to judge him.

There have been a few times (especially late late season) where late in games, Skins down a few points, Campbell has looked really good and was able to make stuff happen. Either hitting big throws or picking up yardage himself.

I don't know. I just think the people who are saying the handcuffs are on JC have a valid point. True or not, it LOOKS to me like JC is being asked to manage these games like Brunell did. Hand the ball off and keep moving the chains.

You could very well be right. My point is that he's in the position to fire this offense up when there are definitely times in which it is needed and his demeanor, which is good at times, can also be a problem too because some of these guys need a kick in the butt or a more "engaging" QB.....

There are multiple ways you can look at what I am saying in terms of his demeanor. Right now, this offense is "list-less", looks uninspired at times, and just needs a boost or spark from somewhere.....

Right now, to be honest, the difference between JC and Eli Manning is that the Giants have given him the freedom to take alot more chances than what JC is given here. Eli is no slouch and neither is JC, so if JC get's enough chances to throw the ball down field and what not, he will eventually start hitting guys, especially on the deep balls. Eli is not a "rah-rah" guy and alot of his teammates questioned that but what he is alot of times, is effective. Why? Because he's getting the opportunities. The Giants made the committment to this kid and basically said let's not handcuff him because we will live or die with him as our QB. Maybe, just maybe, Joe Gibbs and this organization need to take the same approach with Jason....

skinsfan#33 wrote:

GSPODS wrote:Al would open up the offense.
Joe will pull the reigns in.
Jason does what he's told.
Guess who's winning this battle?

What a steaming pile...

How many SB throphies does Saunders have a an offensive coordinator?

Zero!

How many does Gibbs have as a head coach?

Three!

Don't even start that Al was the offensive mind behind the graetest show on turf, because that is simple wrong. That was Mike Martz! Saunder bears almost no responsibility for the Rams great offenses.

Maybe, just maybe, Joe Gibbs knows how to win <a href="http://0-2u.com?go=games" onmouseover="window.status = 'goto: games';return 1" onmouseout="window.status=''">games</a>.
Maybe, just maybe, Joe Gibbs knows that this team can only be good if they have an effective running game.
Maybe, just maybe, Joe Gibbs knows Jason Campbell is not ready to carry a team that has an suspect OL and average WRs.
Maybe, just Maybe Joe Gibbs should have never brought Al here.

Do you think Saunders system has helped the Skin? How many playoff <a href="http://get-faster.com?go=games" onmouseover="window.status = 'goto: games';return 1" onmouseout="window.status=''">games</a> has a team with Al Saunders as an O. Coordinator won?
Zippy. Gibbs has won one just two years after being out of football for 11 years.

Maybe, just maybe everyone calling for Joe Gibbs to open the playbook up and just let Al do what he does should just remember what you are getting with Saunders is an Offensive coordinator that has never won a playoff game, much less a SB.

hailskins666 wrote:
gotta rain on the parade. gibbs pt II = 26-30(as of right now) how is that winning? we have to win the next 4 just for him to break even. the next 5 if you want to call it winning.

and if he truly does have saunders handcuffed, he truly is a confused individual.

Let me preface my rant on Gibbs by saying I would not want anyother coach for my beloved Skins at this time, that being said...you cannot dispute the Win-loss stats. If all Gibbs wanted was some insight on a more modern twist on the offense he runs he could have that with some young assistant from KC or the Rams. Why spend 2mill to treat a guy with an established rep as a very good O-coordinator like a 1st year assistant? How can anyone justify that given the performance of the offense this year? Please do not use the O-line injuries as a crutch because Gibbs himself has not done that. I say let Al do his stuff. Let's see what will happen. The Skins' O is currently ranked 20th in the NFL. Better O production will lead to a better D as well. I am tired of 3 and out, I am tired of squeeking past bad teams, and just plain tired of watching a team that has the talent to be explosive just play "keep away". Let try "Put away".

skinsfan#33 wrote:

GSPODS wrote:Al would open up the offense.
Joe will pull the reigns in.
Jason does what he's told.
Guess who's winning this battle?

What a steaming pile...

How many SB throphies does Saunders have a an offensive coordinator?

Zero!

How many does Gibbs have as a head coach?

Three!

Don't even start that Al was the offensive mind behind the graetest show on turf, because that is simple wrong. That was Mike Martz! Saunder bears almost no responsibility for the Rams great offenses.


Maybe, just maybe everyone calling for Joe Gibbs to open the playbook up and just let Al do what he does should just remember what you are getting with Saunders is an Offensive coordinator that has never won a playoff game, much less a SB.

hailskins666 wrote:
gotta rain on the parade. gibbs pt II = 26-30(as of right now) how is that winning? we have to win the next 4 just for him to break even. the next 5 if you want to call it winning.

and if he truly does have saunders handcuffed, he truly is a confused individual.

Let me preface my rant on Gibbs by saying I would not want anyother coach for my beloved Skins at this time, that being said...you cannot dispute the Win-loss stats. If all Gibbs wanted was some insight on a more modern twist on the offense he runs he could have that with some young assistant from KC or the Rams. Why spend 2mill to treat a guy with an established rep as a very good O-coordinator like a 1st year assistant? How can anyone justify that given the performance of the offense this year? Please do not use the O-line injuries as a crutch because Gibbs himself has not done that. I say let Al do his stuff. Let's see what will happen. The Skins' O is currently ranked 20th in the NFL. Better O production will lead to a better D as well. I am tired of 3 and out, I am tired of squeeking past bad teams, and just plain tired of watching a team that has the talent to be explosive just play "keep away". Let try playing "Put away".

BnGhog wrote:All I want to know is..

WHY DOES HE CONTINUE TO MISS THE DEEP BALL?????????????

OVER AND OVER AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!

WHY??????????

All we here people talking about is "he has a great deep ball", and "we have the QB to throw deep and we need to do it more".

BUT EVERYTIME WE DO THROW DEEP HE MISSED.

WHY???????


EDIT: Id also like to add that as usuall its ok for JC to overthrow Moss but when Lloyd is overthrown its all Lloyds fault.

trying to hit any of our receivers downfield is like trying to hit the toilet on shrooms. We need more size. The one time he did hit moss right he dropped it so

brad7686 wrote:

BnGhog wrote:All I want to know is..

WHY DOES HE CONTINUE TO MISS THE DEEP BALL?????????????

OVER AND OVER AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!

WHY??????????

All we here people talking about is "he has a great deep ball", and "we have the QB to throw deep and we need to do it more".

BUT EVERYTIME WE DO THROW DEEP HE MISSED.

WHY???????


EDIT: Id also like to add that as usuall its ok for JC to overthrow Moss but when Lloyd is overthrown its all Lloyds fault.

trying to hit any of our receivers downfield is like trying to hit the toilet on shrooms. We need more size. The one time he did hit moss right he dropped it so

Are you speaking from experience here or guessing? About the "shrooms" thing, that is?

GSPODS wrote:

brad7686 wrote:trying to hit any of our receivers downfield is like trying to hit the toilet on shrooms

Are you speaking from experience here or guessing? About the "shrooms" thing, that is?

That question does need to be asked. I had the same reaction when I read it...hitting the toilet on shrooms...

BnGhog wrote:All I want to know is..

WHY DOES HE CONTINUE TO MISS THE DEEP BALL?????????????

OVER AND OVER AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!

WHY??????????

All we here people talking about is "he has a great deep ball", and "we have the QB to throw deep and we need to do it more".

BUT EVERYTIME WE DO THROW DEEP HE MISSED.

WHY???????




EDIT: Id also like to add that as usuall its ok for JC to overthrow Moss but when Lloyd is overthrown its all Lloyds fault.

Campbell's deep ball doesn't have much air under it therefore a reciever can't adjust to make the catch. It's thrown low and hard and if it's not right on target it's going to be incomplete. He could help himself out by learning to the the deep ball with some air under it so the recievers can try to make adjustments on the ball.