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Half-way into the 2007 season, the Washington Redskins sit at 5-3 overall, in 3rd place in the NFC East division, and in 5th place in the NFC Conference.

Washington shares with Cleveland the dubious honor of being one of only two teams in the league to have a winning record, despite giving up more points than they have scored.

With remaining division games against Dallas twice, the NY Giants, and Philadelphia, and remaining conference games against Tampa Bay, Chicago, and Minnesota, I don't see this team going anywhere other than home as of December 30th.

Are you positive or negative about this team?

I JUST looked at the schedule before I hit this site. I STILL think we can come out 10-6. That's having us lose to Dallas 2x and Giants again. That's good enough for at least a Wild Card in the NFC this year. Will we go to the big game? Not without a HUGE change. If we're lucky, Dallas and the Giants can duke it out and eliminate one of themselves. Portis apears to be healthy, albeit vs the Jets who were 30th overall according to that unspoken site's power rankings, so I am still cautiously optimistic. Moss caught a few balls yesterday, ARE caught his normal (and dropped his normal). Keep ey healthy and keep our head above water until Randy Thomas comes back and I our offense might step up a bit. The defense looks like it's starting to self destruct, though. It's really too hard to tell right now to be sure, though.

GSPODS wrote:Half-way into the 2007 season, the Washington Redskins sit at 5-3 overall, in 3rd place in the NFC East division, and in 5th place in the NFC Conference.

Washington shares with Cleveland the dubious honor of being one of only two teams in the league to have a winning record, despite giving up more points than they have scored.

With remaining division games against Dallas twice, the NY Giants, and Philadelphia, and remaining conference games against Tampa Bay, Chicago, and Minnesota, I don't see this team going anywhere other than home as of December 30th.

Are you positive or negative about this team?

I will be optimistic to the end! We are winning close games this year and I believe it will pay off the closer we get to playoff time. Joe Gibbs does well in November and December so I continue to hope for more out of this team.

VetSkinsFan wrote:I JUST looked at the schedule before I hit this site. I STILL think we can come out 10-6. That's having us lose to Dallas 2x and Giants again. That's good enough for at least a Wild Card in the NFC this year. Will we go to the big game? Not without a HUGE change. If we're lucky, Dallas and the Giants can duke it out and eliminate one of themselves. Portis apears to be healthy, albeit vs the Jets who were 30th overall according to that unspoken site's power rankings, so I am still cautiously optimistic. Moss caught a few balls yesterday, ARE caught his normal (and dropped his normal). Keep ey healthy and keep our head above water until Randy Thomas comes back and I our offense might step up a bit. The defense looks like it's starting to self destruct, though. It's really too hard to tell right now to be sure, though.

I don't see a single game left on the Redskins schedule where I can confidently think to myself "That will be a win". Even if this team does go 10-6, that won't make the playoffs with all of these losses to conference opponents who will have equal or better records at season's end.

The end of the season is going to be tough. Get ready for a bumpy ride!

I wish fans (and specifically fans on this website) would take a look at the remaining 8 games or whatever now and see that the team has a really tough road ahead. Not a single pushover team on that schedule. We are not going to win all of them, and that is the reality.

I wish people would deal with it now and save all of the "fire gibbs!", "portis is over the hill!", "[insert name here] sucks" stuff every Monday.

Also I wish I would find a box of money today, but oh well.

riggofan wrote:Not a single pushover team on that schedule. We are not going to win all of them, and that is the reality.

Are the Redskins going to win any of them is more my question.
I'd say you have at least as good a chance of finding that box of money as the Redskins have of going 4-4 the next eight games.

I would say that the Redskins could finish this season 10-6, if it weren't for the injuries on the O-line. The right side of Wade and Pucillo, plus injuries to Rabach and Kendall, has caused more problems than I think most people realize. I'm surprised that they've been able to win as many games as they have with that lineup, and I fear that they won't hold up during the second half of the season.

That being said, my positive side says 12-4! Go 'skins!

GSPODS wrote:I don't see a single game left on the Redskins schedule where I can confidently think to myself "That will be a win".

OK, true, but then, do you see any games on that schedule that make you think, "That has to be a loss". Sure, Dallas is good, and the Giants have rebounded since Gibbs helped restart their season, but none of those teams are NE or the Colts. Every team we face for the remainder of the year, we have a chance at beating. Sure, maybe not a GREAT chance for some of those teams, but you never know. Who knows what could happen? It'll be fun to watch it play out.

joebagadonuts wrote:I would say that the Redskins could finish this season 10-6, if it weren't for the injuries on the O-line. The right side of Wade and Pucillo, plus injuries to Rabach and Kendall, has caused more problems than I think most people realize. I'm surprised that they've been able to win as many games as they have with that lineup, and I fear that they won't hold up during the second half of the season.

That being said, my positive side says 12-4! Go 'skins!

That's the sugar from all those donuts talking.
I'm glad someone is staying positive. I'm having a hard time thinking about the potential misery of the next eight weeks.

I'll be honest bruthas, like someone said before, if our OL gets healthy enough, we can make a solid push. Though it sickens me to death where I might puke after I type this, I don't see us beating the cowpunks once let alone twice. *gag, spit, puke* They are obviously the dominating team in the NFC and the other team, well player rather, I'm concerned about is Adrian Peterson. That guy has been making defenses look pretty crappy and our D seems to be going downhill recently. I'm still gonna say with "baby Jesus" on our side, we can maybe end up 11-5/10-6 but I'd still love to see my original prediction of going 12-4 still happen. Of course my 12-4 was assuming we'd beat the fudge packers and gnats.

GO SKINS !!! KILL DA EAGLES !!!

I am 50/50. Why? This offense and the coaching of it is still a problem. One dropped pass by the Jets and we looking at 4-4. Portis was running all over the 27th rank defense against the run and we didn't have the sense enough to go play-action on different occassions.

Is coaching or calling a game that hard in the NFL? Well, I mean it has to be I guess because not everyone can just walk in and do it but jeez man... These guys are getting paid millions and supposed to be the experts at it. I guess there is something that they, these offensive coaches, are seeing in practice or in the game that we the fans aren't and that's why they are coaching this side of the ball the way they are.

This offense as it stands right now, might be lucky to get us 9 wins this season. It's getting ready to get cold and teams are really going to start stacking the box. And because we have proven that we don't have any kind of passing game, we are in trouble, trouble, trouble.......

[quote="GSPODS"]Half-way into the 2007 season, the Washington Redskins sit at 5-3 overall, in 3rd place in the NFC East division, and in 5th place in the NFC Conference.

Washington shares with Cleveland the dubious honor of being one of only two teams in the league to have a winning record, despite giving up more points than they have scored.

With remaining division games against Dallas twice, the NY Giants, and Philadelphia, and remaining conference games against Tampa Bay, Chicago, and Minnesota, I don't see this team going anywhere other than home as of December 30th.

Are you positive or negative about this team?[/quote]


[b]Guys, I have to say that our defense is looking a bit tired. Anyone else notice that teams are starting to disect our defense in a manner that is allowing teams to move down the field at will? The Jets looked pretty darn good moving the ball behind Clemens and he's a rookie. What happens when Romo comes to town with TO?

Our offense is truly offensive. I'm all for the run game and I know it wins games but damn if the play calling isn't giving me a frickin ULCER. I like JC's arm but we only took a couple long shots down the field and failed to get our WR's into the game until the second half. Now that being said Philadelphia although they have a worse record has a good run defense ( I live in Phili now and have to hear and see the damn eagles everywhere i turn). If Phili turns us into a one dimensional team next week by stacking the box I worry that JC won't be able to get it done with his arm based on his performance against both the Jets and Pats. God I hope I'm wrong, and wrong in a big way.

Now onto Philadelphia and how to beat this team.

The front four offensive line for Phili is giving McNabb all sorts of time but Donovan is missing the opportunities. He's just not making the completions but that could turn quickly so don't count on it. We must get some pressure on McNabb and cut off the screen to Westbrook by putting a man on him for the game ( Landry or Fletcher ). The cowgirls did this and limited him pretty well aside from some missed tackles.

The Redskins MUST tackle well against the Eagles.

The Eagles are without a true #1 reciever. I've watched them all and against bump coverage at the line they fail to get into the open before the rush pushes McNabb out of the pocket. So if you can pressure Curtis,Brown and Baskett at the line and cut off Westbrook we have a chance to pressure Donovan into making some mistakes.

For the SKins:

I'm all for James Thrash but James Thrash in motion = Here comes the run. We need a bit more disquise on our run plays in that instance. I also don't think Thrash is as talented as Caldwell or McCardell in RECIEVING. So get those recievers on the field more often. JC needs options.

Red Zone- Sweet baby Jesus. Open the field up a bit guys. Go wide with 4 recievers and 1 back (Portis or Sellers for their blocking skills) and give JC some options to handoff the ball, throw the ball or with the kids legs run the ball. This will give JC more options for his skill players to MAKE A PLAY. One broken or missed tackle and we're in for 6.

Sean Constendine (safety for Eagles) is horrible in Red Zone pass coverage. He's been beaten every week by tall WR's. So put in LLyod or one of the other guys and target him.

Whew... I know this was long but I needed to vent. Hail Skins!

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Guys, I have to say that our defense is looking a bit tired. Anyone else notice that teams are starting to disect our defense in a manner that is allowing teams to move down the field at will? The Jets looked pretty darn good moving the ball behind Clemens and he's a rookie. What happens when Romo comes to town with TO?

Our offense is truly offensive. I'm all for the run game and I know it wins games but damn if the play calling isn't giving me a frickin ULCER. I like JC's arm but we only took a couple long shots down the field and failed to get our WR's into the game until the second half. Now that being said Philadelphia although they have a worse record has a good run defense ( I live in Phili now and have to hear and see the damn eagles everywhere i turn). If Phili turns us into a one dimensional team next week by stacking the box I worry that JC won't be able to get it done with his arm based on his performance against both the Jets and Pats. God I hope I'm wrong, and wrong in a big way.

Now onto Philadelphia and how to beat this team.

The front four offensive line for Phili is giving McNabb all sorts of time but Donovan is missing the opportunities. He's just not making the completions but that could turn quickly so don't count on it. We must get some pressure on McNabb and cut off the screen to Westbrook by putting a man on him for the game ( Landry or Fletcher ). The cowgirls did this and limited him pretty well aside from some missed tackles.

The Redskins MUST tackle well against the Eagles.

The Eagles are without a true #1 reciever. I've watched them all and against bump coverage at the line they fail to get into the open before the rush pushes McNabb out of the pocket. So if you can pressure Curtis,Brown and Baskett at the line and cut off Westbrook we have a chance to pressure Donovan into making some mistakes.

For the SKins:

I'm all for James Thrash but James Thrash in motion = Here comes the run. We need a bit more disquise on our run plays in that instance. I also don't think Thrash is as talented as Caldwell or McCardell in RECIEVING. So get those recievers on the field more often. JC needs options.

Red Zone- Sweet baby Jesus. Open the field up a bit guys. Go wide with 4 recievers and 1 back (Portis or Sellers for their blocking skills) and give JC some options to handoff the ball, throw the ball or with the kids legs run the ball. This will give JC more options for his skill players to MAKE A PLAY. One broken or missed tackle and we're in for 6.

Sean Constendine (safety for Eagles) is horrible in Red Zone pass coverage. He's been beaten every week by tall WR's. So put in LLyod or one of the other guys and target him.

Whew... I know this was long but I needed to vent. Hail Skins!

I dont know what to make of this team at this point.. but I did see a team with alot of heart and no quit in them yesterday .. if we had gone into that game and blown the Jets out I dont think we would have gotten anything out of it .. so winning in the manner we did keeps them honest and hopefully gives them alittle mo going into the Eagles game which is at home by the way..

and it looked to me that about halfway through that game our offensive approach changed and it was nice to see .. its something I hope we stick with the rest of this year..almost as if the team is finally ready to open this thing up alittle bit and see what JC can do for us..

so if we can get this win at home vs the eagles that puts at 6 and 3 .. with 2 straight wins heading into Dallas.. and you never know whats gonna happen any given sunday.. but even if we were to lose that game .. were 6 and 4 and playing at Tampa who isnt scaring anyone and a team that we can definetly beat and home for the Bills another team that we can and should beat.. and if that were to happen that puts us at 8 and 4.. ill take it .. the only problem for us IF that were to all work out is the teams ahead of us.. there are only 6 playoff spots and you gotta believe the Cowboys are winning this division .. and the Giants are looking like they will get a wildcard.. so that leaves one spot.. and right now with the Packers in position to win there division .. the Lions are the team ahead of us.. so what we have to hope for there is that they fall off or end up with the same record as us giving us the tie breakers

maybe im just a homer but looking at the schedule doesnt scare me like it does you.. the Cowboys twice yes.. but we get them at home.. its never easy for them to win here.. Tampa is ok but they dont make me think loss and neither do the Bills.. and the Bears for that matter arent much of anything this year and we get them at home .. so im optimistic that we can make alittle noise

Maybe it's just an impression - but it seems to me that Gibbs teams are traditionally stronger down the stretch run. I don't have the numbers in front of me to prove it. But I have a ton of confidence in this team as a 2nd half team.

And they are 5-3. That is a great record. I agree there schedule is really tough. But if they play the games one game at a time - and come with a good game plan and play with intensity - I think they'll finish strong. 9-7 or 10-6 are realistic and I'm pulling for 11-5 or 12-4.

Positive. We will make the playoffs this season. Then, who knows?

to be honest with you guys i think that we can adapt to what we are playing with now, i dont think we had any major injuries this last game. now they can take last weeks game plan and refine it instead of changing it due to key personnel being out. i think the injuries will play a major role in the upcoming games. i too though am just hoping to win half of our remaining schedule.

I am VERY POSITIVE. It is the Skins that worry me.

As fans, we MUST stay positive. But reality is reality and we will be lucky if we end up 9 - 7 if the team does not improve its game.

Anything can still happen from week to week and our season may still turn around. But it does not look good guys. It just does not look good AT ALL.

Gnome wrote:Maybe it's just an impression - but it seems to me that Gibbs teams are traditionally stronger down the stretch run. I don't have the numbers in front of me to prove it. But I have a ton of confidence in this team as a 2nd half team.

Your impression is correct. Gibbs has a great record in December. Perhaps all the Redskins need to do is make it there in one piece with a decent record to make the playoffs.

Redskin in Canada wrote:I am VERY POSITIVE. It is the Skins that worry me.

As fans, we MUST stay positive. But reality is reality and we will be lucky if we end up 9 - 7 if the team does not improve its game.

Anything can still happen from week to week and our season may still turn around. But it does not look good guys. It just does not look good AT ALL.

why do you feel it doesnt look good? granted we had to come back in this game.. but that doesnt bother me.. it showed we have some fight in us.. and it looks to me that we opened up the offensive passing game a bit.. if they stick with that trend im hopeful that our offense can get into a bit of a groove .. just wondering why you feel that it doesnt not look good at all

A win is always positive but telling the truth, I am not that excited about beating the Jets in overtime. This is a team that the Redskins should have had control of and they didn't. Looking at the last half of the schedule, the Redskins could be another 5 - 3 but could just as likely be 3 - 5.

everydayAskinsday wrote:why do you feel it doesnt look good?

BECAUSE we were ONLY ONE play away from losing this game against our 1 - 7 farm team from NY!!!

BECAUSE we got blown out last week!!!

BECAUSE we were ONLY ONE play away from losing against the Cards the week befoee "that" one!!!

BECAUSE the fundamental flaws in our team have not been corrected as soon as they should!!!

BECAUSE I do not see the prospsect of corrections and adjustments in our current circumstances!!!

BECAUSE Jason Campbell is taking an improvement path that it is too long to think about a playoff run during -this- season!!!

Redskin in Canada wrote:

everydayAskinsday wrote:why do you feel it doesnt look good?

BECAUSE we were ONLY ONE play away from losing this game against our 1 - 7 farm team from NY!!!

BECAUSE we were ONLY ONE play away from losing against the Cards...

We were also only one play away from winning against the 6-2 G-strings and 7-1 Packers. You can't have it both ways. If you are going beat them for winning close, you shoud praise them for losing close.

Redskin in Canada wrote:BECAUSE we got blown out last week!!!

We were only seven plays from beating the Patriots.

Seriously though, this is the Redskins; we never make anything easy. I'm not sure why. It just is what it is.

@ 7 plays to beat the Pats.. more like 700 brutha!!!

but seriously.. lets have faith ladies and gentlemen

GO SKINS !!! KILL DA EAGLES !!!

back to the begining of the thread.

it was stated that we, with the browns, give up more points than we get.

if you take out the pats game it changes this assumption from where we then judge the team.

had to get that out there.