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Rock passed out T-Shirts to all the players and coaches that say "when you are winning, play like you are losing." Has it come to this? Our special teams returner has to pass out T-Shirts to try and motivate the first team offense?

http://content.hamptonroads.com/story.c ... ran=226954

i guess it has, kinda gives you a little bit of insight as to how the team is in the locker room.

. . .that's one way to put it. But Rock has long been a leader on this team, and it's insulting to say "has it come to this?" as if he isn't as much of a leader as other players. . .

Good story though. Good for him.

These two quotes excite me the most:

"We lost one by 30-something to zero to New York a couple of years ago, and we came back and made the playoffs. There's a lot left to play for, and our guys will be ready." -- Phillip Daniels

It brings back great memories.

There was talk of simplifying the offense to focus more on the type of running plays that worked down the stretch a year ago. There was talk of giving Campbell more to do in the passing game.

Woohoo!!! That sounds promising.

And, I LOVE the shirts idea. Way to go, Rock!!! - TRO

After a loss most people are negative. After a huge loss some people are destructive. We are fans and as one of them, I support Rock and anything that can be done to bring focus and motivation back to this team.

Good for Rock!!!! I'm gonna pass out t-shirts too.. "You better win, cause I know where ya'll live"

Thats what I am talking about! About time some winning attitude is displayed.

Irn-Bru wrote:. . .that's one way to put it. But Rock has long been a leader on this team, and it's insulting to say "has it come to this?" as if he isn't as much of a leader as other players. . .

Good story though. Good for him.

I agree. "Has it come to this?" was not my first thought when I read the opening line of cleg's post. This sounds like a very positive thing for the team. Why do certain fans always have to approach everything from the negative side. I understand that the franchise has only had a couple decent seasons over the last 15 years, but we are certainly going in the right direction now. We are very close to being back on top, something I give Joe Gibbs complete credit for, BTW. Joe has turned this franchise around in just a few years. It's as if some people expected him to come in reverse the damage done by 12 seasons of mismanagement, overnight. I can understand how many younger fans are impatient to get back to the glory years, but these things take time, and fans have to take the long-term view. All these calls for blowing up the team, and firing Joe because he has failed to win another SB since his return are getting old fast. Do you really want to go through another five years of rebuilding, with no guarantee of success even then? Yes we have stumbled a bit with injuries this year, and the Patriots loss was humiliating, but we are still one of the better teams in the NFC, and have a very good chance of making it to the post-season. We will be getting Randy Thomas back next month, and that will make a huge difference in our running game. All is not lost. Show a little faith, people.

JSPB22 wrote:

Irn-Bru wrote:. . .that's one way to put it. But Rock has long been a leader on this team, and it's insulting to say "has it come to this?" as if he isn't as much of a leader as other players. . .

Good story though. Good for him.

I agree. "Has it come to this?" was not my first thought when I read the opening line of cleg's post. This sounds like a very positive thing for the team. Why do certain fans always have to approach everything from the negative side. I understand that the franchise has only had a couple decent seasons over the last 15 years, but we are certainly going in the right direction now. We are very close to being back on top, something I give Joe Gibbs complete credit for, BTW. Joe has turned this franchise around in just a few years. It's as if some people expected him to come in reverse the damage done by 12 seasons of mismanagement, overnight. I can understand how many younger fans are impatient to get back to the glory years, but these things take time, and fans have to take the long-term view. All these calls for blowing up the team, and firing Joe because he has failed to win another SB since his return are getting old fast. Do you really want to go through another five years of rebuilding, with no guarantee of success even then? Yes we have stumbled a bit with injuries this year, and the Patriots loss was humiliating, but we are still one of the better teams in the NFC, and have a very good chance of making it to the post-season. We will be getting Randy Thomas back next month, and that will make a huge difference in our running game. All is not lost. Show a little faith, people.

Honestly, I thought it was good that Rock did this as well but he is a role player - it does not mean he can't be a leader. Where is Clinton Portis, Santana Moss, ey, the O Line and J. Camp? Those are the guys who should be stepping up as leaders, not a special teams.

I like this part.

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"Bugel ordered live blitz-blocking drills for his unit, which did a poor job of protecting Campbell against Patriots linebackers Mike Vrabel and Rosevelt Colvin on Sunday. Players flew at Campbell from all angles, with Redskins linemen heaving themselves in the way and chattering non-stop about blocking assignments."



And this..
"Lazor, meanwhile, stayed after with Campbell, working on rollout passing against simulated blitz pressure. Earlier, Campbell, who fumbled three times against New England, was included in ball-protection drills designed to help him learn how to wrap two hands on the ball when he feels pressure."

ROFL, how can you state that we are 'on the right track' when we're 3rd in our division and 1 game away from tied for bottomfeeder?? We have more players dropping than panties on prom night. At this rate, we won't have 1/2 the squad playing for us in week 17 that we had in week 1. We're somewhere around 28th in offense, with that blowout we just had, that dropped our defense ratings in teens, and power rankings (for what it's worth) we're mid pack. We have no offensive consistancy to speak of besides we know how to punt. When we have TWO CONSECUTIVE, CONSISTANT offensive performances, then I will be positive. It hasn't happened yet, and I don't think it will happen this year I'm sad to say.

BnGhog wrote:Campbell, who fumbled three times against New England, was included in ball-protection drills designed to help him learn how to wrap two hands on the ball when he feels pressure."

Here's how those drills went:

LAZOR: Focus on ball protection, Jason. Two hands, Jason. Two hands.
CAMPBELL: OKay, coach. Got it.
LAZOR: You sure?
CAMPBELL: Absolutely.
LAZOR: I'm not so sure you understand....
CAMPBELL: Nah, coach, I got it, watch...

LAZOR: Okay, here goes...

(Lazor and Campbell set up directly across from one another. You can cut the tension with a knife)

LAZOR: Look!!! A pass rusher!!



LAZOR: Ain't as easy as it looks...

BnGhog wrote:I like this part.

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"Bugel ordered live blitz-blocking drills for his unit, which did a poor job of protecting Campbell against Patriots linebackers Mike Vrabel and Rosevelt Colvin on Sunday. Players flew at Campbell from all angles, with Redskins linemen heaving themselves in the way and chattering non-stop about blocking assignments."



And this..
"Lazor, meanwhile, stayed after with Campbell, working on rollout passing against simulated blitz pressure. Earlier, Campbell, who fumbled three times against New England, was included in ball-protection drills designed to help him learn how to wrap two hands on the ball when he feels pressure."

Question about JC in the ball protection drills. How putting two hands on the ball would have stopped those fumbles? They came from the blind-side and the Pats D-lineman and LBs are coached to go after the ball in those situations. Why do you think that those guys didn't just go for JC's legs in those situations. Vrabel made Wade look like a complete idiot with that stutter-step rush and came "clean" on JC. Another one of JC's fumbles was when he was actually bring his arm of to throw and the defender caught his arm as he was starting to throw....

VetSkinsFan wrote:ROFL, how can you state that we are 'on the right track' when we're 3rd in our division and 1 game away from tied for bottomfeeder?? We have more players dropping than panties on prom night. At this rate, we won't have 1/2 the squad playing for us in week 17 that we had in week 1. We're somewhere around 28th in offense, with that blowout we just had, that dropped our defense ratings in teens, and power rankings (for what it's worth) we're mid pack. We have no offensive consistancy to speak of besides we know how to punt. When we have TWO CONSECUTIVE, CONSISTANT offensive performances, then I will be positive. It hasn't happened yet, and I don't think it will happen this year I'm sad to say.

Something tells me the "vet" in your user name refers to your military, or animal doctoring record, and not the length of time you've been a Skins fan. I was speaking in the long-term, not the weekly rankings of our offensive and defensive units. A better question would be "how can you state that we are not going in the right direction, after the disastrous Norv Turner and Steve Spurrier regimes? Even if you refuse to look at the big picture, we are still in playoff contention this season, despite the devastating injuries to key players which we have suffered. The only rankings that matter to me are the Conference and Divisional Win-Loss rankings. Yes we are 3rd in the NFC East right now, but we have only played two divisional games. Not only is the season not even at the halfway point, but we have yet to play the team that sits in 1st place in our division. We beat the Lions and Cardinals earlier in the year, so we own the tiebreaker over them. Green Bay looks to win the North, so our loss to them figures to be less problematic. The loss to the Patriots, while embarrassing, was to an AFC team, and other than the "L," really doesn't figure into the equation. It may actually benefit the team as a motivational tool. Randy Thomas will be coming back next month, so our offense should improve with his return. So yes, I still think we have a good team, and are going in the right direction, even in the short-term.

roybus14 wrote:

BnGhog wrote:I like this part.

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"Bugel ordered live blitz-blocking drills for his unit, which did a poor job of protecting Campbell against Patriots linebackers Mike Vrabel and Rosevelt Colvin on Sunday. Players flew at Campbell from all angles, with Redskins linemen heaving themselves in the way and chattering non-stop about blocking assignments."



And this..
"Lazor, meanwhile, stayed after with Campbell, working on rollout passing against simulated blitz pressure. Earlier, Campbell, who fumbled three times against New England, was included in ball-protection drills designed to help him learn how to wrap two hands on the ball when he feels pressure."

Question about JC in the ball protection drills. How putting two hands on the ball would have stopped those fumbles?

Not carrying the ball like a loaf of bread, in one hand, while scrambling away from pressure, perhaps.

Rock is the man... I think that he did the right thing...This guy bleeds BnG like it is no ones business... He is a true football player and true Redskins

What's the over/under before these shirts are being sold on Redskins.com? I say 7 days.

BnGhog wrote:I like this part.

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"Bugel ordered live blitz-blocking drills for his unit, which did a poor job of protecting Campbell against Patriots linebackers Mike Vrabel and Rosevelt Colvin on Sunday. Players flew at Campbell from all angles, with Redskins linemen heaving themselves in the way and chattering non-stop about blocking assignments."



And this..
"Lazor, meanwhile, stayed after with Campbell, working on rollout passing against simulated blitz pressure. Earlier, Campbell, who fumbled three times against New England, was included in ball-protection drills designed to help him learn how to wrap two hands on the ball when he feels pressure."

Do you have a link for this article? What website did you read that from, redskins.com?

HEROHAMO wrote:

BnGhog wrote:I like this part.

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"Bugel ordered live blitz-blocking drills for his unit, which did a poor job of protecting Campbell against Patriots linebackers Mike Vrabel and Rosevelt Colvin on Sunday. Players flew at Campbell from all angles, with Redskins linemen heaving themselves in the way and chattering non-stop about blocking assignments."



And this..
"Lazor, meanwhile, stayed after with Campbell, working on rollout passing against simulated blitz pressure. Earlier, Campbell, who fumbled three times against New England, was included in ball-protection drills designed to help him learn how to wrap two hands on the ball when he feels pressure."

Do you have a link for this article? What website did you read that from, redskins.com?

It was in the first post

And this..
"Lazor, meanwhile, stayed after with Campbell, working on rollout passing against simulated blitz pressure. Earlier, Campbell, who fumbled three times against New England, was included in ball-protection drills designed to help him learn how to wrap two hands on the ball when he feels pressure."

I'm glad that we are finally going to see JC on designed roll outs, but why in the world did it take 8 weeks for our coaching staff to figure out that this was a good idea? Our line has been awful and only now this idea dawns on our coaches?

CanesSkins26 wrote:

And this..
"Lazor, meanwhile, stayed after with Campbell, working on rollout passing against simulated blitz pressure. Earlier, Campbell, who fumbled three times against New England, was included in ball-protection drills designed to help him learn how to wrap two hands on the ball when he feels pressure."

I'm glad that we are finally going to see JC on designed roll outs, but why in the world did it take 8 weeks for our coaching staff to figure out that this was a good idea? Our line has been awful and only now this idea dawns on our coaches?

It's more about getting Jason to hold on to the ball, not being a sitting duck helps

JSPB22 wrote:Something tells me the "vet" in your user name refers to your military, or animal doctoring record, and not the length of time you've been a Skins fan. I was speaking in the long-term, not the weekly rankings of our offensive and defensive units. A better question would be "how can you state that we are not going in the right direction, after the disastrous Norv Turner and Steve Spurrier regimes? Even if you refuse to look at the big picture, we are still in playoff contention this season, despite the devastating injuries to key players which we have suffered. The only rankings that matter to me are the Conference and Divisional Win-Loss rankings. Yes we are 3rd in the NFC East right now, but we have only played two divisional games. Not only is the season not even at the halfway point, but we have yet to play the team that sits in 1st place in our division. We beat the Lions and Cardinals earlier in the year, so we own the tiebreaker over them. Green Bay looks to win the North, so our loss to them figures to be less problematic. The loss to the Patriots, while embarrassing, was to an AFC team, and other than the "L," really doesn't figure into the equation. It may actually benefit the team as a motivational tool. Randy Thomas will be coming back next month, so our offense should improve with his return. So yes, I still think we have a good team, and are going in the right direction, even in the short-term.

Thank you, JSPB.


That's not even to mention that the NFC East might very well send 3 teams to the playoffs this year, so "3rd in the NFC East" by itself doesn't carry much weight. Our so-called "bottom-feeder" would be 2nd place in the NFC West with their current W/L record. Our team would be tied for 1st in both the NFC South and West at 4-3.

Just wait until we start hitting a groove on offense. . .

We won't know until we see them actually play, but my confidence isn't exactly boosted by our new "commitment to the run".

I understand the theory (a good running game, sets up the deep passing game), and it's a sound one, but it hasn't really worked for us.

I kinda thought we were already too commited to the run to begin with. Not that our passing game is really blowing anyone's doors off either...but I figured it gave us a better chance of moving the ball more than 2 or 3 yards.

Bob 0119 wrote:We won't know until we see them actually play, but my confidence isn't exactly boosted by our new "commitment to the run".

I understand the theory (a good running game, sets up the deep passing game), and it's a sound one, but it hasn't really worked for us.

I kinda thought we were already too commited to the run to begin with. Not that our passing game is really blowing anyone's doors off either...but I figured it gave us a better chance of moving the ball more than 2 or 3 yards.