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Joe says "No"

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 4:34 pm
by ANT7088
Torre turns down offer to return as Yanks' skipper

Joe Torre rejected a $5 million, one-year contract to return as manager of the New York Yankees on Thursday.

The Yankees offered Torre a one-year deal with a base salary of $5 million and incentives that would have increased his salary to $8 million based on postseason performance. Under that offer, if Torre reached the World Series in 2008, an option for 2009 would have vested.

"We felt we needed to go to a performance-based mode," team president Randy Levine said. "We thought it was very fair. It clearly was at the top of the market, but we respect Joe's decision."

Torre, who had held the job since 1995, made an unannounced trip from New York to the team's spring training complex in Tampa, Fla., accompanied by general manager Brian Cashman and chief operating officer Lonn Trost. Levine said Torre turned down the offer during the meeting, which lasted about one hour.

"It is now time for the New York Yankees to move forward," Levine said.

Torre made $7.5 million this year, the final season of a $19.2 million, three-year contract.

Bench coach Don Mattingly is the leading contender to replace Torre. Yankees broadcaster Joe Girardi, the NL manager of the year with Florida in 2006, is another top contender.

Cashman said there will be a full search for a replacement.

Just 10 days ago, the Yankees were bounced out of the first round of the playoffs for the third straight year.



http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3069115

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 4:50 pm
by Jake
And now the downfall of the Yankees begins. Who am I kidding... it started years ago.

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:26 pm
by SkinsJock
Oh happy day!

The Yankee fans and the Yankee players deserve better - I just hope that the Yankees do not get into another World Series until after this low-life, bottom feeder owner is no longer with us. I do not want him to ever see a Yankee title again.

Congratulations to Joe - go get yourself ready to be in the HOF as one of the best managers ever especially after what you have put up with this idiot for the past few years.

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 7:51 pm
by GSPODS
If my job had been threatened in the same manner Joe Torre's job was threatened, it wouldn't have taken me this long to tell George he can have his job and all the BS that accompanies it.
Joe Torre earned a little respect by telling George thanks but no thanks. And it's not as though Joe is going to have a difficult time getting job offers from other clubs.

Posted: Thu Oct 18, 2007 10:50 pm
by BeeGee
The sad thing is the one's that need a performance-based contract, are Cashman and Levine. Every year, these lumps put "regular season" teams on the field that are ultimately doomed in the postseason because they have no pitching depth or ability to manufacture runs. I bet Mattingly gets the nod over Girardi, although most Yanksters seem to want Girardi.

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 7:33 am
by ANT7088
SkinsJock wrote:Oh happy day!

The Yankee fans and the Yankee players deserve better - I just hope that the Yankees do not get into another World Series until after this low-life, bottom feeder owner is no longer with us. I do not want him to ever see a Yankee title again.

Congratulations to Joe - go get yourself ready to be in the HOF as one of the best managers ever especially after what you have put up with this idiot for the past few years.


If your gonna make fun of anything, at least use your own lines!

I've been calling the O's "Bottom Feeders" since the 1st Yankees post!

39 World Series 26 World Series Championships.

Do you realize the Yankees get to the WS like EVERY 5 years (roughly) since baseball existed?

The Yankees made Joe Torre a HOF canidate. Not the opposite! If he was somewhere else you would never know who he is

Joe Torre will be a Yankee for life & when he does get in the HOF, he'll be wearing a Yankees uniform!

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 7:49 am
by GSPODS
ANT7088 wrote:The Yankees made Joe Torre a HOF canidate. Not the opposite! If he was somewhere else you would never know who he is

Joe Torre will be a Yankee for life & when he does get in the HOF, he'll be wearing a Yankees uniform!


Joe Torre never had any say in who was wearing the Yankees uniform. Joe did the best he could with the product provided by Brian Cashman. When things were going well everyone made Cashman sound like a genius. When things fell apart Cashman should have been the goat, not Torre. The only way I see Joe Torre entering the Hall Of Fame in a Yankees uniform is if George Steinbrenner is dead first. I don't think Joe would give George the satisfaction of seeing him enter the Hall in pinstripes. My 2 cents

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:02 am
by ANT7088
GSPODS wrote:If my job had been threatened in the same manner Joe Torre's job was threatened, it wouldn't have taken me this long to tell George he can have his job and all the BS that accompanies it.
Joe Torre earned a little respect by telling George thanks but no thanks. And it's not as though Joe is going to have a difficult time getting job offers from other clubs.


I think I would've done the same tooooooo! At the same time, everyone on earth knows how GS is, (especially after "The Bronx is Burning" mini series) so it's not as if Joe was suprised by all of this.

Also this has been happening since we won in 2000, that ALDS threat that GS has made wasn't the 1st time he's done that to Joe.

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:08 am
by GSPODS
ANT7088 wrote:
GSPODS wrote:If my job had been threatened in the same manner Joe Torre's job was threatened, it wouldn't have taken me this long to tell George he can have his job and all the BS that accompanies it.
Joe Torre earned a little respect by telling George thanks but no thanks. And it's not as though Joe is going to have a difficult time getting job offers from other clubs.


I think I would've done the same tooooooo! At the same time, everyone on earth knows how GS is, (especially after "The Bronx is Burning" mini series) so it's not as if Joe was suprised by all of this.

Also this has been happening since we won in 2000, that ALDS threat that GS has made wasn't the 1st time he's done that to Joe.


I agree with you here. Joe Torre knew what he was getting himself into just by taking the job. You don't have to be a baseball historian to know how George operates. I think anyone above the age of reason remembers the Billy Martin eras. And the Dave Winfield situation. And Steinbrenner's banishment from baseball. And the list goes on. For someone who appears to be a very shrewd businessman, Steinbrenner handles his baseball decisions in the most unprofessional manner I have seen. Most owners wouldn't issue a public ultimatum if only because it makes the job look less appealing to potential candidates. Maybe George is also getting senile.

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:25 am
by ANT7088
GSPODS wrote:
ANT7088 wrote:The Yankees made Joe Torre a HOF canidate. Not the opposite! If he was somewhere else you would never know who he is

Joe Torre will be a Yankee for life & when he does get in the HOF, he'll be wearing a Yankees uniform!


Joe Torre never had any say in who was wearing the Yankees uniform. Joe did the best he could with the product provided by Brian Cashman. When things were going well everyone made Cashman sound like a genius. When things fell apart Cashman should have been the goat, not Torre. The only way I see Joe Torre entering the Hall Of Fame in a Yankees uniform is if George Steinbrenner is dead first. I don't think Joe would give George the satisfaction of seeing him enter the Hall in pinstripes. My 2 cents


MLB chooses who wears what uniform in the HOF.

Clemens is the perfect example, I think he'll have to wear a Boston uniform whether he likes it or not, because that where he was the majority of his career.

Torre will be in a Yankees Uniform 100%, unless he brings the next team to the post season 12 times, go's to the World Series 6 times & wins 4 of them. What else would he wear, a Reds uniform?

I said the same thing about Cashman, but you're wrong about people saying "he's the genius" (at least in NY), he was never responsible for 2000 or before & we haven't won since. Anyway GS was running everything, but after GS chooses (whoever) Cashman will usually get the deal signed. For that if anyone want's to think he's a "Genius" they can. I disagree!

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:30 am
by GSPODS
ANT7088 wrote:
GSPODS wrote:
ANT7088 wrote:The Yankees made Joe Torre a HOF canidate. Not the opposite! If he was somewhere else you would never know who he is

Joe Torre will be a Yankee for life & when he does get in the HOF, he'll be wearing a Yankees uniform!


Joe Torre never had any say in who was wearing the Yankees uniform. Joe did the best he could with the product provided by Brian Cashman. When things were going well everyone made Cashman sound like a genius. When things fell apart Cashman should have been the goat, not Torre. The only way I see Joe Torre entering the Hall Of Fame in a Yankees uniform is if George Steinbrenner is dead first. I don't think Joe would give George the satisfaction of seeing him enter the Hall in pinstripes. My 2 cents


MLB chooses who wears what uniform in the HOF.

Clemens is the perfect example, I think he'll have to wear a Boston uniform whether he likes it or not, because that where he was the majority of his career.

Torre will be in a Yankees Uniform 100%, unless he brings the next team to the post season 12 times, go's to the World Series 6 times & wins 4 of them. What else would he wear, a Reds uniform?

I said the same thing about Cashman, but you're wrong about people saying "he's the genius" (at least in NY), he was never responsible for 2000 or before & we haven't won since. Anyway GS was running everything, but after GS chooses (whoever) Cashman will usually get the deal signed. For that if anyone want's to think he's a "Genius" they can. I disagree!


The media is who was claiming Cashman a genius, not the fans. Cashman strikes me as the world's biggest "Yes" man. Yessir, Mr. Steinbrenner, sir. You're a genius, Mr. Steinbrenner, sir. The world loves you, Mr. Steinbrenner, sir. Would you like me to wash your schlong for you, Mr. Steinbrenner, sir?

My point was that Cashman should be getting the shaft here, not Torre.
Perhaps that wasn't clear in my previous post.

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 8:49 am
by ANT7088
GSPODS wrote:
ANT7088 wrote:
GSPODS wrote:If my job had been threatened in the same manner Joe Torre's job was threatened, it wouldn't have taken me this long to tell George he can have his job and all the BS that accompanies it.
Joe Torre earned a little respect by telling George thanks but no thanks. And it's not as though Joe is going to have a difficult time getting job offers from other clubs.


I think I would've done the same tooooooo! At the same time, everyone on earth knows how GS is, (especially after "The Bronx is Burning" mini series) so it's not as if Joe was suprised by all of this.

Also this has been happening since we won in 2000, that ALDS threat that GS has made wasn't the 1st time he's done that to Joe.


I agree with you here. Joe Torre knew what he was getting himself into just by taking the job. You don't have to be a baseball historian to know how George operates. I think anyone above the age of reason remembers the Billy Martin eras. And the Dave Winfield situation. And Steinbrenner's banishment from baseball. And the list goes on. For someone who appears to be a very shrewd businessman, Steinbrenner handles his baseball decisions in the most unprofessional manner I have seen. Most owners wouldn't issue a public ultimatum if only because it makes the job look less appealing to potential candidates. Maybe George is also getting senile.


I heard things about the "Billy Martin era", but unill that show I had no idea ho bad it was! LOL

GS has alway done things the same, so unless he was born "senile", I don't think he went "senile" over the years. If anything I think he's gotten better! Do you think the Billy Martin GS would've accepted the Yankees not winning the WS for 8 years straight? I don't, I think he would've been fired in 2002 (at least). If you compare what GS has done to the other coaches, he did kinda give Torre a long(er) leash!

Either way, love him or hate him, no MLB owner is/was dedicated to there team like GS is/was.

And I wouldn't mind being 1 of his son's right now, LOL!

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 9:07 am
by ANT7088
GSPODS wrote:
ANT7088 wrote:
GSPODS wrote:
ANT7088 wrote:The Yankees made Joe Torre a HOF canidate. Not the opposite! If he was somewhere else you would never know who he is

Joe Torre will be a Yankee for life & when he does get in the HOF, he'll be wearing a Yankees uniform!


Joe Torre never had any say in who was wearing the Yankees uniform. Joe did the best he could with the product provided by Brian Cashman. When things were going well everyone made Cashman sound like a genius. When things fell apart Cashman should have been the goat, not Torre. The only way I see Joe Torre entering the Hall Of Fame in a Yankees uniform is if George Steinbrenner is dead first. I don't think Joe would give George the satisfaction of seeing him enter the Hall in pinstripes. My 2 cents


MLB chooses who wears what uniform in the HOF.

Clemens is the perfect example, I think he'll have to wear a Boston uniform whether he likes it or not, because that where he was the majority of his career.

Torre will be in a Yankees Uniform 100%, unless he brings the next team to the post season 12 times, go's to the World Series 6 times & wins 4 of them. What else would he wear, a Reds uniform?

I said the same thing about Cashman, but you're wrong about people saying "he's the genius" (at least in NY), he was never responsible for 2000 or before & we haven't won since. Anyway GS was running everything, but after GS chooses (whoever) Cashman will usually get the deal signed. For that if anyone want's to think he's a "Genius" they can. I disagree!


The media is who was claiming Cashman a genius, not the fans. Cashman strikes me as the world's biggest "Yes" man. Yessir, Mr. Steinbrenner, sir. You're a genius, Mr. Steinbrenner, sir. The world loves you, Mr. Steinbrenner, sir. Would you like me to wash your schlong for you, Mr. Steinbrenner, sir?

My point was that Cashman should be getting the shaft here, not Torre.
Perhaps that wasn't clear in my previous post.


Your point was clear & I said "I said the same thing about Cash" I also said "GS would pick the guy's & Cash would get the deal done" in other words like you say "he's a yes man" I agree, but who under GS hasn't been? If you're gonna work for GS, you're gonna do what GS wants or you're not gonna be here!

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 9:36 am
by GSPODS
ANT7088 wrote:
GSPODS wrote:
ANT7088 wrote:
GSPODS wrote:
ANT7088 wrote:The Yankees made Joe Torre a HOF canidate. Not the opposite! If he was somewhere else you would never know who he is

Joe Torre will be a Yankee for life & when he does get in the HOF, he'll be wearing a Yankees uniform!


Joe Torre never had any say in who was wearing the Yankees uniform. Joe did the best he could with the product provided by Brian Cashman. When things were going well everyone made Cashman sound like a genius. When things fell apart Cashman should have been the goat, not Torre. The only way I see Joe Torre entering the Hall Of Fame in a Yankees uniform is if George Steinbrenner is dead first. I don't think Joe would give George the satisfaction of seeing him enter the Hall in pinstripes. My 2 cents


MLB chooses who wears what uniform in the HOF.

Clemens is the perfect example, I think he'll have to wear a Boston uniform whether he likes it or not, because that where he was the majority of his career.

Torre will be in a Yankees Uniform 100%, unless he brings the next team to the post season 12 times, go's to the World Series 6 times & wins 4 of them. What else would he wear, a Reds uniform?

I said the same thing about Cashman, but you're wrong about people saying "he's the genius" (at least in NY), he was never responsible for 2000 or before & we haven't won since. Anyway GS was running everything, but after GS chooses (whoever) Cashman will usually get the deal signed. For that if anyone want's to think he's a "Genius" they can. I disagree!


The media is who was claiming Cashman a genius, not the fans. Cashman strikes me as the world's biggest "Yes" man. Yessir, Mr. Steinbrenner, sir. You're a genius, Mr. Steinbrenner, sir. The world loves you, Mr. Steinbrenner, sir. Would you like me to wash your schlong for you, Mr. Steinbrenner, sir?

My point was that Cashman should be getting the shaft here, not Torre.
Perhaps that wasn't clear in my previous post.


Your point was clear & I said "I said the same thing about Cash" I also said "GS would pick the guy's & Cash would get the deal done" in other words like you say "he's a yes man" I agree, but who under GS hasn't been? If you're gonna work for GS, you're gonna do what GS wants or you're not gonna be here!


I'm pretty convinced we're on the same page but I've been advised more than once that my posts are often confusing. Sufficed to say whomever the Yankees hire as the next manager will be in the same boat as Joe Torre. If I had the available payroll of the Yankees I would be looking at young talent rather than aging veterans but what do I know. I know Roger Clemens had to be the biggest waste of money this season. I know Alex Rodriguez is not worth $30 Million per season even to the Yankees. I know most other teams won't even consider spending that amount since it is between 1/3 and 1/2 of their team payrolls. I know Alex didn't do jack in Texas. He didn't even fill the seats after a while. I know the Yankees should resign Jorge Posada. I know the Yankees should tell Mariano Rivera not to let the door hit him in the you know what on the way out.
I know Miguel Tejada would gladly play 3rd base for the Yankees.

Or maybe I don't know anything. :lol:

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 9:50 am
by ANT7088
GSPODS wrote:
ANT7088 wrote:
GSPODS wrote:
ANT7088 wrote:
GSPODS wrote:
ANT7088 wrote:The Yankees made Joe Torre a HOF canidate. Not the opposite! If he was somewhere else you would never know who he is

Joe Torre will be a Yankee for life & when he does get in the HOF, he'll be wearing a Yankees uniform!


Joe Torre never had any say in who was wearing the Yankees uniform. Joe did the best he could with the product provided by Brian Cashman. When things were going well everyone made Cashman sound like a genius. When things fell apart Cashman should have been the goat, not Torre. The only way I see Joe Torre entering the Hall Of Fame in a Yankees uniform is if George Steinbrenner is dead first. I don't think Joe would give George the satisfaction of seeing him enter the Hall in pinstripes. My 2 cents


MLB chooses who wears what uniform in the HOF.

Clemens is the perfect example, I think he'll have to wear a Boston uniform whether he likes it or not, because that where he was the majority of his career.

Torre will be in a Yankees Uniform 100%, unless he brings the next team to the post season 12 times, go's to the World Series 6 times & wins 4 of them. What else would he wear, a Reds uniform?

I said the same thing about Cashman, but you're wrong about people saying "he's the genius" (at least in NY), he was never responsible for 2000 or before & we haven't won since. Anyway GS was running everything, but after GS chooses (whoever) Cashman will usually get the deal signed. For that if anyone want's to think he's a "Genius" they can. I disagree!


The media is who was claiming Cashman a genius, not the fans. Cashman strikes me as the world's biggest "Yes" man. Yessir, Mr. Steinbrenner, sir. You're a genius, Mr. Steinbrenner, sir. The world loves you, Mr. Steinbrenner, sir. Would you like me to wash your schlong for you, Mr. Steinbrenner, sir?

My point was that Cashman should be getting the shaft here, not Torre.
Perhaps that wasn't clear in my previous post.


Your point was clear & I said "I said the same thing about Cash" I also said "GS would pick the guy's & Cash would get the deal done" in other words like you say "he's a yes man" I agree, but who under GS hasn't been? If you're gonna work for GS, you're gonna do what GS wants or you're not gonna be here!


I'm pretty convinced we're on the same page but I've been advised more than once that my posts are often confusing. Sufficed to say whomever the Yankees hire as the next manager will be in the same boat as Joe Torre. If I had the available payroll of the Yankees I would be looking at young talent rather than aging veterans but what do I know. I know Roger Clemens had to be the biggest waste of money this season. I know Alex Rodriguez is not worth $30 Million per season even to the Yankees. I know most other teams won't even consider spending that amount since it is between 1/3 and 1/2 of their team payrolls. I know Alex didn't do jack in Texas. He didn't even fill the seats after a while. I know the Yankees should resign Jorge Posada. I know the Yankees should tell Mariano Rivera not to let the door hit him in the you know what on the way out.
I know Miguel Tejada would gladly play 3rd base for the Yankees.

Or maybe I don't know anything. :lol:


LOL, we'll see in a few months. That's a good idea for Tajada to play 3rd, I've never thought of that!

There isn't anyone worth more than $1 million to play baseball, nevermind $30 million. They're playing BASEBALL!!!! O Well.

Wow, are you being civil?? I'm impressed! LOL

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 10:27 am
by GSPODS
Civility is not my forte. However, I am a native New Yorker, born and raised, so whether or not I like it, I can have a somewhat intelligent conversation about the Yankees.

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 11:14 am
by ANT7088
GSPODS wrote:Civility is not my forte. However, I am a native New Yorker, born and raised, so whether or not I like it, I can have a somewhat intelligent conversation about the Yankees.



You said it "somewhat intelligent"! LOL, totally kidding!

Where in NY?

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 11:20 am
by GSPODS
ANT7088 wrote:
GSPODS wrote:Civility is not my forte. However, I am a native New Yorker, born and raised, so whether or not I like it, I can have a somewhat intelligent conversation about the Yankees.



You said it "somewhat intelligent"! LOL, totally kidding!

Where in NY?


I currently reside half-way between nowhere and nowhere, err between Corning and Rochester. Previously, I have been in Manhattan, Albany and Buffalo.

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 12:52 pm
by SkinsJock
ANT7088 wrote:..If your gonna make fun of anything, at least use your own lines!

I've been calling the O's "Bottom Feeders" since the 1st Yankees post!


touchy, touchy - so there are words that are "off limits" just because someone used them - that is as stupid ... well you understand :lol:

back to the low life that is the current owner of the NY Yankees - this is a guy that has lived in such a manner to make nearly everyone see him as a complete embarrasment to the Yankees and to all true NY baseball fans. He continues to step on his you know what and we all just love to see it happen. the Yankees management embarrassed themselves, again - this is something you are probably used to but its fun for us to remind Steinbrenner fans of how stupid this guy can be.



To suggest that Torre would not have been successful without the Yankees, shows me and others here, what your appreciation of this guy is - are you by any chance related to a Yankee owner?

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 2:29 pm
by ANT7088
SkinsJock wrote:
ANT7088 wrote:..If your gonna make fun of anything, at least use your own lines!

I've been calling the O's "Bottom Feeders" since the 1st Yankees post!


touchy, touchy - so there are words that are "off limits" just because someone used them - that is as stupid ... well you understand :lol:

back to the low life that is the current owner of the NY Yankees - this is a guy that has lived in such a manner to make nearly everyone see him as a complete embarrasment to the Yankees and to all true NY baseball fans. He continues to step on his you know what and we all just love to see it happen. the Yankees management embarrassed themselves, again - this is something you are probably used to but its fun for us to remind Steinbrenner fans of how stupid this guy can be.



To suggest that Torre would not have been successful without the Yankees, shows me and others here, what your appreciation of this guy is - are you by any chance related to a Yankee owner?


So you're saying that if Joe Torre went to Baltimore, the O's would have 4 rings since 96? Don't act like Torre drafted the players we had in 96 or any other year. Yes the NY Yankees made Joe Torre & that has nothing to do with not appreciating him for how how did it!

Here's the FACTS: He never won 90 games before he came to NY & made it to the League Championship Series once and got swept!

& here's the proof:
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7348760

Embarrassed of what??? That we make the post season EVERY YEAR or that we went to the WS 39 times & won it 26 times?

The only way management would be embarrassed is if we didn't make the post season next year. Nobody know yet therefore everthing you said is wrong.

You talk about embarrassing management & you're a Redskins fan and an O's fan. That pretty funny to me, at the same time sad for you!

Let me explain what's embarrassing management - Trading a 3rd round draft pick for TJ Duckett. Having the highest payroll & having 5-11 records.

Maybe not winning the WS is acceptable to you & the team you like, but it's not for the Yankees!

Let me explain 1 more thing - since 1912 (when the Yankees became the Yankees) They have gone to the WS EVERY 2.43 years. Since 1871 when the National Association became the first professional baseball league. Before the Yankees even existed they STILL made it every 3.48 years! Embarrassed, I DON'T THINK SO!

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 4:20 pm
by Steve Spurrier III
ANT7088 wrote:They have gone to the WS EVERY 2.43 years. Since 1871 when the National Association became the first professional baseball league. Before the Yankees even existed they STILL made it every 3.48 years! Embarrassed, I DON'T THINK SO!


I think that's exactly why the seven years off might be considered embarrassing. Although I don't really see it that way.

ANT7088 wrote:..The Yankees made Joe Torre a HOF canidate. Not the opposite! If he was somewhere else you would never know who he is


I agree. More so than any other sport, the talent really makes the manager. That's not to say there aren't good and bad managers, just that winning percentage isn't really all that helpful. And for the record, I think Torre is a good, not great, manager. And as a Red Sox fan, I hope they hire Joe Girardi.

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 4:22 pm
by SkinsJock
ANT7088 wrote:..The Yankees made Joe Torre a HOF canidate. Not the opposite! If he was somewhere else you would never know who he is


I guess I misunderstood this - this would indicate to me that you do not think that Joe Torre would be even a little successful if he were not a Yankee, what am I missing?

By the way, the only point about all this is that in my opinion GS is just behaving in the same way as he always has and that he is an embarrasment to the Yankees - especially for his treatment of someone who was a very good manager for 12 years - If you are trying to make excuses for this piece of dung, that's you're problem

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 6:33 pm
by ANT7088
SkinsJock wrote:
ANT7088 wrote:..The Yankees made Joe Torre a HOF canidate. Not the opposite! If he was somewhere else you would never know who he is


I guess I misunderstood this - this would indicate to me that you do not think that Joe Torre would be even a little successful if he were not a Yankee, what am I missing?

By the way, the only point about all this is that in my opinion GS is just behaving in the same way as he always has and that he is an embarrasment to the Yankees - especially for his treatment of someone who was a very good manager for 12 years - If you are trying to make excuses for this piece of dung, that's you're problem



You don't miss things, you just try to change what I say! There's no reading between the lines. Don't take something I say and try to make your own "indication"!

I never said I didn't thing Torre was good or anything like that! I said he will now be in the HOF because of his Yankee career. I said he wouldn't have done the same thing with another team if he never came to the Yankees. Even he said it today on in his Press Conference. If you believe anything else, don't waste my time, I won't respond to you! That's a fact!

Even SSIII admits it & he's a Boston fan!

As far as GS, I don't need to make excuses for him! His rings, what he's done for himself, his team & the NY speaks for itself! I didn't say I like the way he runs things all the time, but considering he fired Billy Martin about 10 times a season, he gave Torre alot longer of a leash!

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 6:40 pm
by ANT7088
Steve Spurrier III wrote:
ANT7088 wrote:They have gone to the WS EVERY 2.43 years. Since 1871 when the National Association became the first professional baseball league. Before the Yankees even existed they STILL made it every 3.48 years! Embarrassed, I DON'T THINK SO!


I think that's exactly why the seven years off might be considered embarrassing. Although I don't really see it that way.

ANT7088 wrote:..The Yankees made Joe Torre a HOF canidate. Not the opposite! If he was somewhere else you would never know who he is


I agree. More so than any other sport, the talent really makes the manager. That's not to say there aren't good and bad managers, just that winning percentage isn't really all that helpful. And for the record, I think Torre is a good, not great, manager. And as a Red Sox fan, I hope they hire Joe Girardi.


I'll take that kind of embarrassment anytime & I'm sure any of the other 29 teams would too, LOL!

So why Joe Girardi??? I don't know who I'd want now, but I don't want Don Mattingly, that's for sure! I think Girardi & GS would be like fireworks, although I do like what he did in Florida!

Posted: Fri Oct 19, 2007 7:25 pm
by GSPODS
We'll all know how much of the Yankees success was due to Joe Torre this time next season. I'm guessing more credit is due Joe than some are willing to admit.

I thought it was truly professional how Torre said he was not going to place the pressure of his job security on the Yankees players.