The-Hogs.net - Washington Football Discussion, Redskins to Commanders Era

First my credetials --33 years old born and bred NY'ER for 32 of those years...Yankee baseball has been in my family for over 85 years.
First let me quote my grandfather the greatest YANKEE FAN OF THEM ALL.
" The diffrence between the Yankees and and everyone else is simple..Other teams win championships, We Build Dynastys .. We may not get right at first or but once we do We will be unstoppable once again"
-My grandfather talking me in 1986 (12 years old) after the Mets won--and boy did i doubt him back then---foolish me

Yes we lost ---deservedly....But remember something The baseball world is on borrowed time ...Teams are winning championships In between the 1996-2001 run and what will next become the NEXT GREAT YANKEE DYNASTY.....We dont rebuild like peasant Franchises..We reload..For you baseball Diehards...Chew this then digest it ..This 2001 --2007 "drought" was our bad period and were starting to come out it now...what do you mean you might ask ? in 2003 we were an aging dynasty trying to hang on with bottom 5 farm system....not anymore........Our farm system is so loaded your going to need a paddy wagaon to get all the kids up...Yankees are old??..LOL..would you like build around AROD(on team until proven otherwise) JETER MATSUI DAMON....then mix in under 25ers WANG, CANO, DUNCAN, CABERERA, JOBA#1OR 2 BEST PITCHING PROSPECT IN MLB, PHIL HUGHES #4 BEST PITCHING PROSPECT, IAN KENNEDY (MILB.COM PITCHER OF YEAR) ALAN HORNE(AA EASTERN LEAGUE PITCHER OF YEAR) and countless others but I wont bore you

Yankees--farm system was over 120 games .500---#1 in MLB this year..Digest it.....
oh yeah couple the emerging studs with something called CASH and sprinkle in the the Vets and "THE MIX" is emerging ..last couple years our cash kept us afloat as a playoff team all the while we "reloaded our farm system so rich in talent IM SALIVATING"......

Enjoy the loss...revel in it.....Drink to it......but we will not go away....We stand for everything America stands for...we are the embodiement
GREED, WINNING, EXCELLENCE, GLUTTONESS POWER, and History of success over its sport that rivals only --The hammer vs the nail...

Enjoy the loss...Kudos to Cleveland..they deserved it...But be wary very very wary because we do not have it right just yet..but we are close .."The mix" is starting to formulate and once its complete Turn off your TV's for another 5 years--------For now--ENJOY!

Watch teams wins championships...all the while the Next Dynasty is quietly churning itself into form.--.......scary very very scary

MEZZSKIN wrote:First my credetials --33 years old born and bred NY'ER for 32 of those years...Yankee baseball has been in my family for over 85 years.
First let me quote my grandfather the greatest YANKEE FAN OF THEM ALL.
" The diffrence between the Yankees and and everyone else is simple..Other teams win championships, We Build Dynastys .. We may not get right at first or but once we do We will be unstoppable once again"
-My grandfather talking me in 1986 (12 years old) after the Mets won--and boy did i doubt him back then---foolish me

Yes we lost ---deservedly....But remember something The baseball world is on borrowed time ...Teams are winning championships In between the 1996-2001 run and what will next become the NEXT GREAT YANKEE DYNASTY.....We dont rebuild like peasant Franchises..We reload..For you baseball Diehards...Chew this then digest it ..This 2001 --2007 "drought" was our bad period and were starting to come out it now...what do you mean you might ask ? in 2003 we were an aging dynasty trying to hang on with bottom 5 farm system....not anymore........Our farm system is so loaded your going to need a paddy wagaon to get all the kids up...Yankees are old??..LOL..would you like build around AROD(on team until proven otherwise) JETER MATSUI DAMON....then mix in under 25ers WANG, CANO, DUNCAN, CABERERA, JOBA#1OR 2 BEST PITCHING PROSPECT IN MLB, PHIL HUGHES #4 BEST PITCHING PROSPECT, IAN KENNEDY (MILB.COM PITCHER OF YEAR) ALAN HORNE(AA EASTERN LEAGUE PITCHER OF YEAR) and countless others but I wont bore you

Yankees--farm system was over 120 games .500---#1 in MLB this year..Digest it.....
oh yeah couple the emerging studs with something called CASH and sprinkle in the the Vets and "THE MIX" is emerging ..last couple years our cash kept us afloat as a playoff team all the while we "reloaded our farm system so rich in talent IM SALIVATING"......

Enjoy the loss...revel in it.....Drink to it......but we will not go away....We stand for everything America stands for...we are the embodiement
GREED, WINNING, EXCELLENCE, GLUTTONESS POWER, and History of success over its sport that rivals only --The hammer vs the nail...

Enjoy the loss...Kudos to Cleveland..they deserved it...But be wary very very wary because we do not have it right just yet..but we are close .."The mix" is starting to formulate and once its complete Turn off your TV's for another 5 years--------For now--ENJOY!

Watch teams wins championships...all the while the Next Dynasty is quietly churning itself into form.--.......scary very very scary

You get a little slack, being from NY, but baseball is not a level playing field. If you think that is what America stands for, you are sadly mistaken. Had there been a salary cap and revenue sharing in baseball as there has been in football, do you honestly think the Yankees would have been "building dynasties" all those years?

uh the salary cap hit the NFL in the mid 90's...
Yankees have avg'ed 1 Championship every 3.5 years for over 85 YEARS!!....there is no correlation.

Secondly ---we won in the 90's without spending big bucks ...All young homegrown kids--BERNIE, MARIANO, PETTITE, JETER, POSADA, then we traded for little known players like ---TINO,PAULIE ONEILL, and SCOTT BROSIUS...none of this was bought...we traded for them astutely ...they became all stars with us Heck Brosius batted .200 in 1997 the year before we traded for him...Did we know he would go on to be one best post season players of the modern Yankee generation...no way...

I will agree the spending the last 5-7 years has been overboard but its won us nothing....Which is a testament to how special the Original Torre Team was ....They made it look so easy it was mindnumbing ....

The Yankees are going somewhere.
The Yankees are going home ... again.
Past success isn't saving anyone's job in the King George era. The Yankees have more former managers under George than they have World Series Championships. George is the problem and only his timely death is the solution.
Mister two championships in 30 years, Tony LaRussa, is not the answer.

MEZZSKIN wrote:uh the salary cap hit the NFL in the mid 90's...
Yankees have avg'ed 1 Championship every 3.5 years for over 85 YEARS!!....there is no correlation.

Of course there is. How many dynasties were there before the Salary Cap, and how many have there been since? Once the NFL leveled the playing field with the SC and free agency (the latter by force) it opened up opportunities for any team to make a run at the SB. Thanks for proving my point.

Baseball... where rules are set up in a manner that a team can spend 4-5 TIMES what small market teams do - you guys talk about a baseball salary cap like it actually exists..

MEZZSKIN wrote:... and countless others but I wont bore you

That disclaimer came about three paragraphs late...

JSPB22 wrote:

MEZZSKIN wrote:First my credetials --33 years old born and bred NY'ER for 32 of those years...Yankee baseball has been in my family for over 85 years.
First let me quote my grandfather the greatest YANKEE FAN OF THEM ALL.
" The diffrence between the Yankees and and everyone else is simple..Other teams win championships, We Build Dynastys .. We may not get right at first or but once we do We will be unstoppable once again"
-My grandfather talking me in 1986 (12 years old) after the Mets won--and boy did i doubt him back then---foolish me

Yes we lost ---deservedly....But remember something The baseball world is on borrowed time ...Teams are winning championships In between the 1996-2001 run and what will next become the NEXT GREAT YANKEE DYNASTY.....We dont rebuild like peasant Franchises..We reload..For you baseball Diehards...Chew this then digest it ..This 2001 --2007 "drought" was our bad period and were starting to come out it now...what do you mean you might ask ? in 2003 we were an aging dynasty trying to hang on with bottom 5 farm system....not anymore........Our farm system is so loaded your going to need a paddy wagaon to get all the kids up...Yankees are old??..LOL..would you like build around AROD(on team until proven otherwise) JETER MATSUI DAMON....then mix in under 25ers WANG, CANO, DUNCAN, CABERERA, JOBA#1OR 2 BEST PITCHING PROSPECT IN MLB, PHIL HUGHES #4 BEST PITCHING PROSPECT, IAN KENNEDY (MILB.COM PITCHER OF YEAR) ALAN HORNE(AA EASTERN LEAGUE PITCHER OF YEAR) and countless others but I wont bore you

Yankees--farm system was over 120 games .500---#1 in MLB this year..Digest it.....
oh yeah couple the emerging studs with something called CASH and sprinkle in the the Vets and "THE MIX" is emerging ..last couple years our cash kept us afloat as a playoff team all the while we "reloaded our farm system so rich in talent IM SALIVATING"......

Enjoy the loss...revel in it.....Drink to it......but we will not go away....We stand for everything America stands for...we are the embodiement
GREED, WINNING, EXCELLENCE, GLUTTONESS POWER, and History of success over its sport that rivals only --The hammer vs the nail...

Enjoy the loss...Kudos to Cleveland..they deserved it...But be wary very very wary because we do not have it right just yet..but we are close .."The mix" is starting to formulate and once its complete Turn off your TV's for another 5 years--------For now--ENJOY!

Watch teams wins championships...all the while the Next Dynasty is quietly churning itself into form.--.......scary very very scary

You get a little slack, being from NY, but baseball is not a level playing field. If you think that is what America stands for, you are sadly mistaken. Had there been a salary cap and revenue sharing in baseball as there has been in football, do you honestly think the Yankees would have been "building dynasties" all those years?

1st there is to "Revenue Sharing" they call it "luxury tax" or something. All I know is the Yankees have to pay around $30 million a year so the "bottom feeder" teams can pay there own payroll!

2nd the Yankees are able to do what they do because the Stadium average's around 48,000 people/game. So the money is there. Teams like Tampa Bay & Baltimore probably average (if they're lucky) 20,000 people/game (& 10,000 of them are Yankee fans).

3rd MLB has no salary cap, get over it! Don't complain about payrolls & salary caps & be a Redskins fan.

4th with the salary cap in the NFL more then 1 team has built a Dynasty. New England is 1, Indy is on there way & they're was a team in the 90's that built a Dynasty (I just rather not say who, LOL)

I just like how accurate the title of this thread is ... GO TRIBE

GSPODS wrote:The Yankees are going somewhere.
The Yankees are going home ... again.
Past success isn't saving anyone's job in the King George era. The Yankees have more former managers under George than they have World Series Championships. George is the problem and only his timely death is the solution.
Mister two championships in 30 years, Tony LaRussa, is not the answer.

The Redskins have more former coaches under Dan Snyder then the Yankees have had too, what's your point? Funny how some of you mock the Yankees for the same things the Redskins do or have done

And from a guy who say this, and I quote, "At least Baltimore fans have no expectations and can't be disappointed every year" shouldn't be saying anything anyway!

O I forgot your an Indians fan this week!

Make sure you check what I typed for any mistakes, I may have forgotten a letter?

Sounds like some fans of Steinbrenner's team aren't over it yet and are trying to grasp at anything to remind us of their past success and also are delusional in thinking that that means they are going to be successful again.

GET OVER IT - your team started the season badly and then made a great effort at the end - at the end they are LOSERS - right now they are looked upon as losers more than the other teams because they are the Yankees

Steinbrenner sucks and I hope he makes some knee jerk reaction here soon and hurts this team even more. Not because of the NY fans but because he deserves it - this guy should be recognized for all the bad things he has done in the pursuit of maintaining a great franchise.

SkinsJock wrote:Sounds like some fans of Steinbrenner's team aren't over it yet and are trying to grasp at anything to remind us of their past success and also are delusional in thinking that that means they are going to be successful again.

GET OVER IT - your team started the season badly and then made a great effort at the end - at the end they are LOSERS - right now they are looked upon as losers more than the other teams because they are the Yankees

Steinbrenner sucks and I hope he makes some knee jerk reaction here soon and hurts this team even more. Not because of the NY fans but because he deserves it - this guy should be recognized for all the bad things he has done in the pursuit of maintaining a great franchise.

Keep "hoping", I know all the Yankees haters have been "hoping" & probably praying for the Yankees not to make the playoffs the past 10 years.

And believe me Brian Cashman is more responsible for what the Yankees have done (or haven't done) since 2001 then George is.

ANT7088 wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:Sounds like some fans of Steinbrenner's team aren't over it yet and are trying to grasp at anything to remind us of their past success and also are delusional in thinking that that means they are going to be successful again.

GET OVER IT - your team started the season badly and then made a great effort at the end - at the end they are LOSERS - right now they are looked upon as losers more than the other teams because they are the Yankees

Steinbrenner sucks and I hope he makes some knee jerk reaction here soon and hurts this team even more. Not because of the NY fans but because he deserves it - this guy should be recognized for all the bad things he has done in the pursuit of maintaining a great franchise.

Keep "hoping", I know all the Yankees haters have been "hoping" & probably praying for the Yankees not to make the playoffs the past 10 years.

And believe me Brian Cashman is more responsible for what the Yankees have done (or haven't done) since 2001 then George is.

Probably so, but King George isn't even remotely discussing the firing of Brian Cashman. Every owner seems to like a "YesMan", and Cashman fills that bill. The Yankees need pitching, consistent hitting, and better defense in the field. Replacing the manager isn't going to resolve any of those issues.

GSPODS wrote:

ANT7088 wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:Sounds like some fans of Steinbrenner's team aren't over it yet and are trying to grasp at anything to remind us of their past success and also are delusional in thinking that that means they are going to be successful again.

GET OVER IT - your team started the season badly and then made a great effort at the end - at the end they are LOSERS - right now they are looked upon as losers more than the other teams because they are the Yankees

Steinbrenner sucks and I hope he makes some knee jerk reaction here soon and hurts this team even more. Not because of the NY fans but because he deserves it - this guy should be recognized for all the bad things he has done in the pursuit of maintaining a great franchise.

Keep "hoping", I know all the Yankees haters have been "hoping" & probably praying for the Yankees not to make the playoffs the past 10 years.

And believe me Brian Cashman is more responsible for what the Yankees have done (or haven't done) since 2001 then George is.

Probably so, but King George isn't even remotely discussing the firing of Brian Cashman. Every owner seems to like a "YesMan", and Cashman fills that bill. The Yankees need pitching, consistent hitting, and better defense in the field. Replacing the manager isn't going to resolve any of those issues.

You're right, can't argue with that! But Joe Torre isn't fired just yet. I really like the way the players are standing up for him. George may be forced to keep Joe or risk losing Posada, Rivera & I'm sure a few other guy's.

Whether George Steibrenner gets another chance to be George Steibrenner --- and fire Torre -- the fact remains that the Yankees are in the second or third year of he Cashman Plan.

What's that?

It says:

- hire scouts

- draft well

- keep the good young players

- build from the farm system

That is the same plan Kasten and Bowden have introduced in Washington, and the same method followed by three of the four teams in the LCS. The Red Sox still go outside for FA's. Kasten had to start with less becasue Omar Minaya pillaged the Expos minior leagues in an unethical giveaway during the years he controlled the Expos for MLB. Wait two years for the kids they drafted to hit the majors.

There is no predicting whether George will listen to his sons, and keep Torre or replace him with Mattingly -- a guy with a similar attitude. My prediction is that Toore will not be rehired, although I wish Torre would just refuse to work for the Yankees anymore.

However, in the last two years, the Yankees have quite trading their prospect for ex-stars. They have two knock-out youn pitchers in Hughes and Chambelain. Cano, the 2B, came up from the farm. So did Melky Cabrera, the CF. Shelly Duncan, a promising 3B/OF also came up from the farm system.

If Rivera walks, they will hurt. Posada is about 37, or the oldest catcher hitting .300 that I can remember.

Giambi is gone. ARod might leave, because his agent wants a raise. Not a crushing loss.

The Cashman Plan loks a lot like the method by which the '95-01 Yankees were built.

A difference between the Yankees and other teams that build upfromtheir farm system is that the Yankees have the money to keep their home-grown stars. Consider Williams, Jeter, Posada, and Rivera. That's where a large part of the high payroll goes.

So, don't wave he Baltimore Oriole crying towels just yet.