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It has become fairly common place for a coach of an opposing team to quickly call a time out immediately prior to an opposing kicker trying to kick a game winning/tieing field goal.

I, for one, like that they can do that; however, I know not everyone feels this way.

What do you think?

Being a former kicker, I have no issue with being able to "ice" the kicker with a timeout, however, we have seen at least two games this season where the timeout was granted after the ball was already through the uprights. The officials have to grant the timeout before the ball is snapped, otherwise the play should count. If the kicker misses and the officials grant the timeout after the snap, does the kicker get to try again? He should but we haven't seen this situation come up yet.

Ice those guys!!! Let them prove their mental toughness.

I think it is petty way to try and win a football game. I can see calling a timeout before the ball is snapped but not when the ball is being snapped. It wont' happen next year for sure because I think there will be a rule set in place for next season. Win the game like a man without taking a "cheap shot".

I don't have a problem with calling a time-out to ice a kicker, I just think it should be called by a player on the field, not a coach on a sideline standing next to a ref.

If you have a timeout, call it. Stop neutering the game!

Chris Luva Luva wrote:If you have a timeout, call it. Stop neutering the game!

Although it didn't affect the outcome of the Dallas v Buffalo game, I don't like the way that it goes down.

This pre-scheduled timeout thing is for the birds. I think a player on the field should have to signal the timeout at the very least - not some coach that keeps the ref in a choke hold so that he doesn't wander off and can "guarantee" his timeout is granted whether the whistle is blown late or not.

Gotta admit though.... it's a helluva tactic! I gave Folk no more than a 25% chance of making that 2nd kick. Luckily for Cowboy fan, he didn't let it rattle him.

Icing can backfire.

As a coach, you lay down your money, and you take your chances. There is also the chance that you call that time out, the kicker follows through, and misses...

All you have done, is give your opponent a second chance. Is is a good move then.

Keep it as it is. Frankly, I think it's kind of bush league, but that's just me.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:If you have a timeout, call it. Stop neutering the game!

exactly... they need to stop ruining the game by adding new rules every year.

there was one analyst, forgot who it was, who was saying how there have been a lot injured QBs in the NFL this year and a lot of serious injuries and suggested that we make it more safe for the QB and the players. i seriously couldnt believe what i was hearing.

BeeGee wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:If you have a timeout, call it. Stop neutering the game!

Although it didn't affect the outcome of the Dallas v Buffalo game, I don't like the way that it goes down.

This pre-scheduled timeout thing is for the birds. I think a player on the field should have to signal the timeout at the very least - not some coach that keeps the ref in a choke hold so that he doesn't wander off and can "guarantee" his timeout is granted whether the whistle is blown late or not.

Gotta admit though.... it's a helluva tactic! I gave Folk no more than a 25% chance of making that 2nd kick. Luckily for Cowboy fan, he didn't let it rattle him.

The ONLY time this tactic works is when theres a LONG FG attempt. The coach can't leave the "coaching box".

Plus, your coach was using this tactic on the offensive side of the ball also. All coaches do. They forwarn the ref that if they get the ball where they intend it to go, that they're going to call a timeout afterwards. The ref will know to look for the coach after the result of the play and then signal the time out.

It works both ways...

I seem to remember, personally, our kicker saying that in the Miami game, when the Dolphins called a time out, it actually helped him and relax...and focus more on the kick.

So.....I wonder if "icing" really even works!??!

Justice Hog wrote:I seem to remember, personally, our kicker saying that in the Miami game, when the Dolphins called a time out, it actually helped him and relax...and focus more on the kick.

So.....I wonder if "icing" really even works!??!

Most kickers say that when they are asked about it. I think coaches simply disbelieve the reports and do it anyway, though.

Irn-Bru wrote:

Justice Hog wrote:I seem to remember, personally, our kicker saying that in the Miami game, when the Dolphins called a time out, it actually helped him and relax...and focus more on the kick.

So.....I wonder if "icing" really even works!??!

Most kickers say that when they are asked about it. I think coaches simply disbelieve the reports and do it anyway, though.

I think it's simply a gamble that the kicker won't make the kick twice. If the kicker is Sebastian Janikowski that's a good gamble.

But what if the kicker misses the 1st kick and then makes the 2nd kick that you just provided him?



It's a gamble.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:But what if the kicker misses the 1st kick and then makes the 2nd kick that you just provided him?

Unless it's the Cowboys, I would absolutely love to see that happen once. I would laugh my buttocks off!

Everyone is just being salty, lets move on from this. It's only an issue cus the media darling teams are trash for now.

- The coaches can only do this on long FG's cus they can't leave the coaching box.

- The offense (ours included although you can't tell) uses this to control the clock when trying to win the game.

- It's still a gamble in that the kicker could miss the 1st kick and make the 2nd you just provided.


Solution? Do what we did last week. Beat the team soundly so that it won't need to come down to a FG or a refs call.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:But what if the kicker misses the 1st kick and then makes the 2nd kick that you just provided him?



It's a gamble.

I agree, If I was a kicker I'd love a chance to kick one for "practice". Wish I could do that on the golf course with my putting game!!

Enough of this icing the kicker talk.
Where's Joe when we need him?
We should be talking about icing the donuts.

GSPODS wrote:Being a former kicker, I have no issue with being able to "ice" the kicker with a timeout, however, we have seen at least two games this season where the timeout was granted after the ball was already through the uprights. The officials have to grant the timeout before the ball is snapped, otherwise the play should count. If the kicker misses and the officials grant the timeout after the snap, does the kicker get to try again? He should but we haven't seen this situation come up yet.

They are calling the timeout before the ball is snapped. What is happening is that the ref can't signal the others to stop the play in time, and the ball is snapped and the play goes on. It was similar to the replay that happened just before where TO dropped the ball and the replay official couldn't stop the clock before the Pies got off another play. It doesn't mean that the time-out didn't occur in time, just that the team got the ball snapped before the play could be stopped.

No rule change is needed, and all these announcers calling for a rule change are just trying to get in on the hysteria over a non-issue.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

BeeGee wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:If you have a timeout, call it. Stop neutering the game!

Although it didn't affect the outcome of the Dallas v Buffalo game, I don't like the way that it goes down.

This pre-scheduled timeout thing is for the birds. I think a player on the field should have to signal the timeout at the very least - not some coach that keeps the ref in a choke hold so that he doesn't wander off and can "guarantee" his timeout is granted whether the whistle is blown late or not.

Gotta admit though.... it's a helluva tactic! I gave Folk no more than a 25% chance of making that 2nd kick. Luckily for Cowboy fan, he didn't let it rattle him.

The ONLY time this tactic works is when theres a LONG FG attempt. The coach can't leave the "coaching box".

Plus, your coach was using this tactic on the offensive side of the ball also. All coaches do. They forwarn the ref that if they get the ball where they intend it to go, that they're going to call a timeout afterwards. The ref will know to look for the coach after the result of the play and then signal the time out.

It works both ways...

That's exactly what I said. I didn't say it was for the birds as it applies to the kicking situation, I said it was for the birds period. I don't see anything with putting a referee on notice that you plan to call a timeout - nothing wrong with that. But it's the "wait right here, don't go anywhere until I call this timeout...ok now!" thing that the coaches do... it's a joke in my opinion.