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Champ For Portis Deal All But Done?????

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 6:45 am
by Jake
Broncos blockbuster: Portis trade may be near
Deal for Redskins' Bailey, No. 2 pick close, sources say

By Adam Schefter
Denver Post Sports Writer

INDIANAPOLIS - The Broncos and Washington Redskins are closing in on a blockbuster deal that would send Denver's Pro Bowl running back Clinton Portis to Washington for Pro Bowl cornerback Champ Bailey.

In addition to Bailey, Denver is asking for Washington's second-round pick in the April draft, National Football League sources confirmed this weekend.

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Until now, the Redskins have balked at surrendering the pick, one reason no agreement has been announced. Yet at least two other sources close to the Redskins say the deal, which would be one of the biggest in football history, is all but done.

The Broncos are trying to first finalize a new contract with Pro Bowl middle linebacker Al Wilson before dealing with the Redskins. The Wilson deal could be completed today.

But if the trade between Denver and Washington were completed, Bailey then would need to be signed as well - likely to a lucrative contract.

This is the reason trade talks even began to percolate. Washington grew frustrated over its stalled negotiations with Bailey, and Denver does not want to negotiate a new deal with Portis, who still has two years remaining on his contract.

A Denver deal with Bailey might not be as difficult. Bailey's agent, Jack Reale, has worked with the Broncos on numerous contracts in the past, including kicker Jason Elam's in February 2003 and safety Nick Ferguson's last month.

The NFL trading period opens March 3, but the Broncos and Redskins could agree to a deal before then - if they haven't already. The Redskins appear to be soliciting offers from, among others, the Detroit Lions, New York Jets and Houston Texans.

"As to who we'd be interested in, right now that's something we want to keep to ourselves," Redskins coach Joe Gibbs said this weekend.

Broncos officials declined to comment on the possible deal.

None of the possible trading partners could offer a player as prolific as the 22-year-old Portis, Denver's record-setting running back who predicted at this month's Pro Bowl that a 2,000-yard season is in his view.

Anyone who watched him rush for 1,591 yards last season, despite missing three games with sternum and ankle injuries, would not question it.

"I know my 2,000 will come," Portis said in Honolulu. "It's just a matter of time."

While the deal would be met with cheers in Washington, it would be met with even louder cheers in Kansas City. During the Broncos' past two games in Denver against the Chiefs, Portis rushed for 348 yards and scored nine touchdowns.

There are questions within the Broncos organization about whether running backs Quentin Griffin, Ahmaad Galloway and Mike Anderson would be good enough to carry the team through the playoffs.

Should Denver land the extra pick from Washington, the team would be positioned to draft one of this year's higher-rated running backs, perhaps even former Ohio State running back Maurice Clarett, with whom Broncos officials met Thursday night.

Moreover, Denver's defense would be instantly fortified and upgraded. Bailey would be the prototype cornerback the Broncos have coveted since they showered millions on Dale Carter during the 1999 offseason. Bailey, 25, is regarded as one of the game's top cornerbacks.

Asked at the Pro Bowl to name the best cornerback in the game, Philadelphia's five-time Pro Bowl cornerback Troy Vincent said: "Cover-wise, you have to look at Champ Bailey. Champ has the best cover skills."

Although he is regarded as a supreme cover corner, Bailey has failed to make some of the big plays he did early in his career. During his five NFL seasons, Bailey's interception totals have dropped from five in each of his first two seasons to three in 2001 and 2002 to only two last season.

But the Broncos are not concerned with the plays Bailey didn't make in Washington but rather the ones they think he could make for them.

With Bailey blanketing one side of the field in man-to-man coverage, Denver would be able to offer more help to its other cornerback, Lenny Walls, who played exceedingly well the first half of last season but struggled in the second half when wide receivers figured out he could not cover the counter move.

Denver's secondary could use a jolt. In its first playoff appearance since the 2000 season, Denver allowed Indianapolis quarterback Peyton Manning to complete 22 of 26 passes for 377 yards and five touchdowns.

But the only way to get a player of Bailey's abilities is to surrender a younger and more productive one. Ordinarily, Denver would not consider trading Portis. However, the organization is leery of Portis' request for a new contract at a time when he has two years remaining on his current one.

If the trade comes to fruition, it would go down as one of the biggest in NFL history. Perhaps the biggest also involved the Broncos, who in 1983 traded backup quarterback Mark Hermann, offensive tackle Chris Hinton and a 1984 first-round draft pick that turned out to be guard Ron Solt to the Colts for the rights to quarterback John Elway.

The other notable football trade involved the Dallas Cowboys, who in 1989 sent running back Herschel Walker to the Minnesota Vikings for five players, six draft choices and a first-round pick in the 1992 draft.

The Cowboys' then-coach, Jimmy Johnson, used two of those picks to draft Emmitt Smith, the NFL's all-time leading rusher, and safety Darren Woodson, a five- time Pro Bowl selection and the team's all-time leading tackler.


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Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 8:10 am
by ANT7088
Wow, I thought this was BS. I think an even swap is very fair. Hopefully it wont cost a second rounder to. I can't believe he's only 22, are you sure he's not entering the draft (LOL)?

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 8:29 am
by JPFair
WOW!!! This is BIG! This could be very beneficial to us. This is proof positive that Joe Gibbs has a master plan, and he knows exactly what he's looking for. Things are starting to take shape. Anyone know what kind of cap implications Portis would have right away?

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 8:30 am
by PigSkin
I'm very dubious about this. I said yesterday in a post that Portis is far more valuable to Denver than Bailey would be.

Furthermore the Broncos are also reportedly trying to restructure or release Mike Anderson. See my post in the Around the League forum.

Running back Mike Anderson, the 2000 NFL Rookie of the Year, has requested his release from the Denver Broncos after the team proposed cutting his salary to the veteran minimum with incentives in order to create salary-cap room, the player's agent said Sunday.

David Canter, hired last week by Anderson, met with Broncos general manager Ted Sundquist on Saturday night. The session came after Anderson met several days earlier in Denver with coach Mike Shanahan, who presented Anderson with his options.


I just don't see this deal happening. Plus I would NEVER give Bailey AND a pick for Portis.

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 8:41 am
by Warmother
Getting Portis would be huge but giving the 2nd also would be to expensive.

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 8:51 am
by redskincity
:rock: -drinking :rock: -drinking :nana: -drinking :rock: -drinking Cool :celebrate: \:D/


If this deal happens!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Watchout!!!!!!!!!

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 9:14 am
by Guest
LOL!

And no one believed me! YES!

Clinton Portis a Washington Redskin? YEAH!

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 9:17 am
by Skinsfan55
That was me btw, I broke the story a day early, and was met with a lot of skeptisism...

Clinton Portis is THE BEST young running back in the game today. This deal would be HUGE! :-)

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 9:25 am
by NC43Hog
The biggest problem with the Spurrier experiment was we lost Steven Davis, this would bring a big back back to Washington and I would love it. 2nd pick? Looks more and more likely we will try to trade down our #1 for more later picks - but that may be on the minds of a lot of GMs.

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 9:27 am
by Skinsfan55
I think even if we did lose a pick, we should still get Kellen Winslow with the 5. Can you imagine the offense we would have with:

QB- Brunell/Ramsey
HB- Portis
FB- Johnson
TE- Winslow
WR- Coles
WR- Gardner

I mean, MY GAWD! :-) :-) :-)

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 9:32 am
by ferryrich
I wouldn't be against trading down our first pick.
I know we've got a few great players in high 1st round recently - LaVar, Samuels (despite some of his play last year), Bailey. We've also had busts - Shuler being the main one.

When Gibbs was last here we didn't have a 1st rounder for a decade!

A straight swap of Bailey for Portis would do me, I wouldn't want to include a pick with it. Look at what we can get for Bailey and how many decent RB's there are in the draft and it wouldn't make sense to lose a standout player on defense AND what I consider the most valuable draft pick we have (1st rounder would get a better player at VASTLY more money and theres plenty of decent players going to be available at 2nd round pick rates == MUCH BETTER VALUE!!)

So personally - I'd be against the trade for portis if we lost more than champ.
Straight swap? I reckon that would be good for us.

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 9:39 am
by VTredskin
Kind of ironic we passed on Portis to pick Betts in the second round a couple years ago.

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 9:47 am
by redskins56
This would be amazing, but that 2nd rounder would be needed if we were to do this. Getting Portis would mean lots of money, but so would retainging Champ. He is great, and the CB position is the third most valuable in the league, behind the QB, and RB spots. We would need to get a new number one, so that Fred doesn't have to be promoted.

You need a minimum of 2 very good corners in this league, which we have. You need 3 quallity corners, which we don't, and we would need to add one.

This is the only scenario I would deal Champ in, but the pick is a bit too high to give, maybe if they gave us their 2nd rounder it could work...

-geepz
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l.a. nation!!!

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 10:41 am
by SteamRollingRiggo
This deal is a must. I think we are getting a steal. Portis is only 22 years old. I would take a great running back over a great corner any day. His #'s speak for themselves. We can still trade down from our #5 spot. My gut feeling is telling me they will because that spot could be too expensive with the addition of Portis. How often do you get a chance to add a running back that is a threat to run for 2,000 yards and is this young. I think I'm going to go and buy a Portis jersey. Long live Daniel Synder!

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 10:47 am
by BringThePain!
This deal is a must. I think we are getting a steal.


No way! Not if we gotta give up a pick in return! Let me quote one of my earlier postings:
i've been skeptical about all denver RB's. with so much success denvers had with RB's (davis,gary,anderson,portis) over such a short period, much of the credit has to go to the offensive line...not saying they haven't been good backs but none of them really haven't been in any other situations with the exception of gary. And gary hasn't had much success in Buffalo or Detroit. I think i'd rather have a couple of draft picks for bailey instead.


Giving up a 2nd rounder also is too risky, i think this would be a big mistake.

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 10:52 am
by HitDoctor
If this deal goes through (hopefully without the 2nd round pick) then the skins need to look at Sean Taylor. I'll drive Bowen to the airport.

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 11:01 am
by ii7-V7
VTredskin wrote:Kind of ironic we passed on Portis to pick Betts in the second round a couple years ago.


No thats not true!

We looked it up here not long ago. Portis was drafted about 10 spots above Betts.

Chad

Please, please, please let this happen

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 11:11 am
by Fios
I love Champ as much as the next guy but to be able to pick up a premier running back (the only back to average 5 or more yards per carry last year) at Portis's age for Champ and a second rounder seems more than reasonable to me. I don't see how that can be passed off as too steep a price considering the lessons Redskins fans re-learned last year and the depressing sight of Stephen Davis in the Super Bowl.

Re: Please, please, please let this happen

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 11:24 am
by BringThePain!
Fios wrote:I love Champ as much as the next guy but to be able to pick up a premier running back (the only back to average 5 or more yards per carry last year) at Portis's age for Champ and a second rounder seems more than reasonable to me. I don't see how that can be passed off as too steep a price considering the lessons Redskins fans re-learned last year and the depressing sight of Stephen Davis in the Super Bowl.


It's too steep a price when you only have three drafts picks and you have an entire defensive line to revamp, not including a cornerback we also have to get too when champ leaves. Portis also got to play twice a year against San Diego, Kansas City, and Oakland...the 27th, 29th and 30th ranked defenses in the league...behind a good offensive line....too risky!!!!!

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 11:40 am
by Guest
Champ Bailey has been to the Pro Bowl four times in five years and he's only 26. Portis has had two good years (1500 yds each). He'd fit in great in Washington, but we can't give up a pick to get him (if anything, we should get a pick) in addition to Bailey. We have too many other needs.

As I said earlier, I don't see this deal ever materializing. The Broncos can't afford to let him go. All their other RBs are question marks and they're potenially releasing Mike Anderson. Why would they do that if they planned to trade Portis? Do they plan to try to sign Staley? That wouldn't make sense.

This is a red herring.

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 11:42 am
by PigSkin
Sorry. That last post was from me. ^^

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 11:42 am
by Steve Spurrier III
They have Quinten Griffin. Just from the way they produce backs, they could Mike Shannahan run the ball and he could run for 1200 yards...

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 11:57 am
by BringThePain!
Steve Spurrier III wrote:They have Quinten Griffin. Just from the way they produce backs, they could Mike Shannahan run the ball and he could run for 1200 yards...


Exactly!!! Come on now how many teams have you seen produce back after back after back, etc. Alot of that has to be due to there great offensive line and the division they play in.

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 12:09 pm
by 19and97fan
OH...MY....Good God.... Portis a skin, i'm all for it...but for also a 2nd rounder(a little sceptical)..After Portis, Please lets work on our DEFENSE..

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2004 12:26 pm
by PigSkin
Griffin has had one good game (against Indy) in the NFL. You think that's enough to claim he's going to fill Portis's shoes? I'd need a little more confidence before I let go of Portis. Who fills in if he goes down?