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Percy Harvin out of Florida. Cousin just showed me his you tube, the guy makes Calvin Johnson look like darnerian mccants.

Gibbs4Life wrote:Percy Harvin out of Florida. Cousin just showed me his you tube, the guy makes Calvin Johnson look like darnerian mccants.

No...a wideout from Florida?

Yikes.

Have you seen the guy? Go to youtube type Percy Harvin.

The guy plays WR RB and anything else, he has Reggie Bush speed with excellent vision and change of direction. I wouldn't want any other reciever either but this guy is something special.

this guy played against my high school when we went to states...he's amazing. he played at landstowne in virginia and set pretty much every major receiving record in the state, and was the top recruit in the nation just 2 years ago. they won a state championship with him on the team, and now florida just won another national championship with him. he's a solid player, but there are questions about his attitude, becuase in high school he was notorious for mouthing off to his teachers, saying that "i'm f-ing percy harvin and i can do whatever i want." he had the attitude way before his time.

he was notorious for mouthing off to his teachers, saying that "i'm f-ing percy harvin and i can do whatever i want." he had the attitude way before his time.

Details Details, bottom line is right now this kid is probably better than 85-90% of all NFL wideouts. His speed is twice Calvin Johnson and his vision is like Barry Sanders. Everything I've seen shows this kid to be a phenom, straight up phenom.

Gibbs4Life wrote:[His speed is twice Calvin Johnson

He's going to run a 40 in 2 seconds!!!

History is littered with great college players who never panned out in the pros. Danny Wuerffel won the Heisman, but how'd he work out as our starting QB? You've just bought into the hype machine.

Gibbs4Life wrote:bottom line is right now this kid is probably better than 85-90% of all NFL wideouts. His speed is twice Calvin Johnson and his vision is like Barry Sanders. Everything I've seen shows this kid to be a phenom, straight up phenom.

Warning: this post may contain some hyperbole.

Fios wrote:

Gibbs4Life wrote:bottom line is right now this kid is probably better than 85-90% of all NFL wideouts. His speed is twice Calvin Johnson and his vision is like Barry Sanders. Everything I've seen shows this kid to be a phenom, straight up phenom.

Warning: this post may contain some hyperbole.

That generalization is wrong! Always!

We'd need a draft pick to do that....

Plus I think the Lions have dibs on all receivers until 2060

Calvin Johnson will put up numbers this year that will make us look back and wish we would have made a move up to get him even if it meant giving up lloyd el & betts. This Harvin kid is going to be even better mark my words.

My brother lives in Va Beach, near where this guy came from -- he's got some serious attitude issues. Issues that span over time too. I don't see Gibbs touching him until he gets his act together.

Gibbs4Life wrote:Calvin Johnson will put up numbers this year that will make us look back and wish we would have made a move up to get him even if it meant giving up lloyd el & betts. This Harvin kid is going to be even better mark my words.

Incorrect

Gibbs4Life wrote:Calvin Johnson will put up numbers this year that will make us look back and wish we would have made a move up to get him even if it meant giving up lloyd el & betts. This Harvin kid is going to be even better mark my words.

I always love it when people pine for trades THEY think make sense, but had NO basis in anything more than speculation.

It's also great how people COMPLETELY ignore salary cap ramifications when they do so.

So the Redskins are stupid for not accelerating the cap hits of say Betts, Lloyd and Randle El and taking on the contract of the number two ranked pick?

Are you even remotely aware that you just suggested that the Skins take a cap hit of millions and millions of dollars to NOT have a back up running back and a number three receiver?

And all to get a receiver that has never played a down of NFL Football?

Sage advice indeed.

I think the position of WR is slightly overrated anyway. The best receiver in the NFL (by yardage) was Chad Johnson, and his team didn't even make the playoffs. I'm not saying having a great receiver doesn't help (it clearly does), but it's not nearly as important as some people think. New England won three Super Bowls without a truly GREAT receiver - what does that tell you?

Mursilis wrote:what does that tell you?

WE MUST SIGN THIS GUY GIVE HIM ELEVENTY BILLION DOLLARS

Fios wrote:

Mursilis wrote:what does that tell you?

WE MUST SIGN THIS GUY GIVE HIM ELEVENTY BILLION DOLLARS

This guy's a genius!

Mursilis wrote:I think the position of WR is slightly overrated anyway. The best receiver in the NFL (by yardage) was Chad Johnson, and his team didn't even make the playoffs. I'm not saying having a great receiver doesn't help (it clearly does), but it's not nearly as important as some people think. New England won three Super Bowls without a truly GREAT receiver - what does that tell you?

Unfortunately, I think the same thing can be said for any position, coach, or FO position. Just replace the word "receiver" in that sentence with quarterback, running back, offensive coordinator, head coach. . .and I think it still works. Any one position fails this test, and even entire units (like wide receivers, even offensive and defensive lines) will fail to prove to be the key for success.

I think that I also haven't really seen that many people saying that you need a great receiver to be great in the league. That's not to say that the position isn't valued more highly than it should be -- I think that the skill positions (not well named!) tend to grab more attention than they deserve, for obvious reasons.

Irn-Bru wrote:

Mursilis wrote:I think the position of WR is slightly overrated anyway. The best receiver in the NFL (by yardage) was Chad Johnson, and his team didn't even make the playoffs. I'm not saying having a great receiver doesn't help (it clearly does), but it's not nearly as important as some people think. New England won three Super Bowls without a truly GREAT receiver - what does that tell you?

Unfortunately, I think the same thing can be said for any position, coach, or FO position. Just replace the word "receiver" in that sentence with quarterback, running back, offensive coordinator, head coach. . .and I think it still works. Any one position fails this test, and even entire units (like wide receivers, even offensive and defensive lines) will fail to prove to be the key for success.

I'd disagree - I think some positions, even amongst the 'skill' positions, are clearly more important than others. For example, I'd take greatness at QB before I'd take greatness at WR. Few Super Bowl winners don't have a good or great QB (recent exceptions being Baltimore in 2000 and maybe Tampa a few years later). I'd also suspect, although I haven't actually studied it, that the correlation between good QB play and team winning is higher than that between good WR play and team winning. A QB (and to the same extent a RB) just get more touches per game than a WR, typically, and thus their impact will be greater.

I think that I also haven't really seen that many people saying that you need a great receiver to be great in the league.

The OP seems to be saying it.

Mursilis wrote:I'd disagree - I think some positions, even amongst the 'skill' positions, are clearly more important than others.

I agree with that, and I don't think my previous post contradicts it.

Few Super Bowl winners don't have a good or great QB (recent exceptions being Baltimore in 2000 and maybe Tampa a few years later).

That gets tricky for a number of reasons, most prominently the fact that how good a player is so often seems to depend on the system and players around them. Was Bradshaw a great QB? (I'd say maybe good). Was Steve Young really that amazing himself, or was he playing in an amazing system with an amazing offensive unit?

It's a bit too complex for me to generalize, but at the very least I think I can say with confidence that having a great QB is not the key for success (e.g., Dan Marino; John Elway before he had the '96 Broncos surrounding him; Dan Fouts; Drew Bledsoe; Dave Krieg; Fran Tarkenton).

I'd also suspect, although I haven't actually studied it, that the correlation between good QB play and team winning is higher than that between good WR play and team winning.

I don't doubt this, although again with how intertwined these statistics get it's difficult to say. For example, how can a WR have a stellar season without making the QB look good? I can imagine that it's possible that the QB still manages to throw a few INTs a game, but take a mediocre QB and put him with an amazing WR and the QB will look like an All-Pro player.

A QB (and to the same extent a RB) just get more touches per game than a WR, typically, and thus their impact will be greater.

I agree with this completely.

Nevertheless, as I said earlier, I still feel that skill position players get more credit for what they accomplish (shown in salaries and media attention) than they really "deserve." The other people on the field that help to make the team work, linemen and coaches for example, get too little credit and attention / analysis, proportionately. This is because the good work that the coaches and line do can only end in their RBs and QBs, and even WRs, looking like studs. OL don't score touchdowns, they just make it possible for other guys to do it. The analysis by commentators has a bad balance, in my opinion.