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last year our team wasn't exactly a pretty sight especialy on offence but we did pretty well before we got to the red zone. i love gibbs but that was suposedly his territory and i think it might be messing with our guys for him to be changing the playing style so rapidly. in think we need to do something to make our play more consistant for our guys. the fact is we were demoralized once we got beyond the 20 yard line. im not an expert thogh so tell me what ya'll think [code][/code]

I think Gibbs needs to make his mind up.

Are you the HC or not?
Are you running the offense or not?
Is Al getting control or not?

Kansas City didn't have redzones issues, so Al isn't the issue. I think Gibbs needs to sit back and let Al do what he was brought in to do and thats run the offense.

If Gibbs wasn't ready to relinquish control than he shouldn't have brought him in. Let's not confuse the players or mix schemes to try to patch some makeshift redzone offense together. Let Al work his magic and give it time.

I think that Gibbs and Saunders need to sit down and go over what plays work best for this team in the Red Zone and then have Saunders run it. This makes me wonder if the Al Saunders era is going to end sooner than when it started.

I think that Gibbs and Saunders will work out what is going to be the best way to run the offense and that is what will happen. Both of these guys have a lot to offer and both will be contributing to our offensive play this year.

This is a year where I expect Campbell to continue to grow and become the very good QB that Gibbs expected when he selected him. He just needs a little more time and with the 2 back set that we will see a lot of this year he will not have to make things happen in the passing game but rather attack when we choose to

I am very interested to see how well we do on the 2 basics that Gibbs feels are so important to our success this year - we will run the ball better and we will be a lot more effective against the run on defense.


This year I expect to see a lot more effectiveness out of Lloyd, a lot more plays involving ARE and a lot of yards from both Portis and Betts.

I definately think the offense will be a LOT better this year. You know Al & Joe spent a ton of time together in the off season "getting on the same page". Call me crazy but I think this season we are going to score a TON of points in the red zone. ey, Portis, Betts, Sellers, Lloyd, and ARE.... With Campbell at the helm, and Al on the playbook...this is going to be special!

Clark wrote:last year our team wasn't exactly a pretty sight especialy on offence but we did pretty well before we got to the red zone. i love gibbs but that was suposedly his territory and i think it might be messing with our guys for him to be changing the playing style so rapidly. in think we need to do something to make our play more consistant for our guys. the fact is we were demoralized once we got beyond the 20 yard line. im not an expert thogh so tell me what ya'll think [code][/code]

it's gunna stay the same if we can't get a big possession receiver....when we get in the redzone, our run just isn't there because they can stack the box more and don't have to worry about the speed of our recievers as much because everything is so bunched up.

We don't have the height at reciever to help this so it will more than likely continue.

The hiring of Saunders only makes sense if Gibbs was thinking about the long term health of the 'Skins. If he was thinking "quick fix" he didn't do his homework. The record clearly shows Saunders' offenses starting middle of the pack in year one then ascending to top dog offense quickly. We should be a point machine.

Saunders really hasn't had a stable of horses at receiver anywhere else. Ours are as good or better than he's ever had.

DarthMonk

steve09ru wrote:it's gunna stay the same if we can't get a big possession receiver....when we get in the redzone, our run just isn't there because they can stack the box more and don't have to worry about the speed of our recievers as much because everything is so bunched up.

We don't have the height at reciever to help this so it will more than likely continue.

While I agree that we need a possession WR, things don't have to be the same.

Mike Sellers in the flats is always good for a TD like in 2005.

Lloyd who I think will have an improved year is great at the jump ball, I envision fade routes to him.

JC is a mobile QB and can roll out of the pocket.

Betts and Portis aren't too shabby.

And lets not forget ey, Yoder and the two other TE's we picked up...

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

steve09ru wrote:it's gunna stay the same if we can't get a big possession receiver....when we get in the redzone, our run just isn't there because they can stack the box more and don't have to worry about the speed of our recievers as much because everything is so bunched up.

We don't have the height at reciever to help this so it will more than likely continue.

While I agree that we need a possession WR, things don't have to be the same.

Mike Sellers in the flats is always good for a TD like in 2005.

Lloyd who I think will have an improved year is great at the jump ball, I envision fade routes to him.

JC is a mobile QB and can roll out of the pocket.

Betts and Portis aren't too shabby.

And lets not forget ey, Yoder and the two other TE's we picked up...

we had all that last year (minus two other TE's and still struggled to get in inside the redzone...i don't think they use sellers nearly enough inside the redzone though.

i don't know but hopefully we can get this solved but it will make suisham's fg % one of the best in the league kicking 35 yarders all game

They didn't use him at all last year if I believe, it was VERY successful in 2005 though.

Supposedly Sellers has dropped weight to prepare for an increased role....again...

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I think Gibbs needs to make his mind up.

Are you the HC or not?
Are you running the offense or not?
Is Al getting control or not?

Kansas City didn't have redzones issues, so Al isn't the issue. I think Gibbs needs to sit back and let Al do what he was brought in to do and thats run the offense.

If Gibbs wasn't ready to relinquish control than he shouldn't have brought him in. Let's not confuse the players or mix schemes to try to patch some makeshift redzone offense together. Let Al work his magic and give it time.

Amen... let AS earn his paycheck

amen, let saunders run the offense. it is absolute, 100% LUNACY to switch back and forth during a game, especially in the red zone. just further evidence of how much gibbs has lost his grasp of basic sense.

one of the things saunders is best at is setting up big plays/TDs/red-zone conversions with a series of plays beforehand. he might be just about ready to go for the jugular when gibbs suddenly decides to overrule him and go "run for 1 yard, run for 2 yards, run for no gain, FG attempt".

USAFSkinFan wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:I think Gibbs needs to make his mind up.

Are you the HC or not?
Are you running the offense or not?
Is Al getting control or not?

Kansas City didn't have redzones issues, so Al isn't the issue. I think Gibbs needs to sit back and let Al do what he was brought in to do and thats run the offense.

If Gibbs wasn't ready to relinquish control than he shouldn't have brought him in. Let's not confuse the players or mix schemes to try to patch some makeshift redzone offense together. Let Al work his magic and give it time.

Amen... let AS earn his paycheck

I'm just tired of constant and needless bullcrap that surrounds this team. There's always something special happening. Our F/O is unique, our HC isn't really a HC but some kinda of talking head/HC/GM hybrid, now our OC is kinda just a consultant. We bring Al in but don't like the way he does things..... Shouldn't we have known that before he brought him in? Then Gibbs wants control back mid-season. Then we're merging the offenses into a hybrid.

It's just constant turmoil and hardly any consistently and peace. No wonder this organization gets dogged, it's a madhouse.

In my opinion Gibbs brought Saunders here to manage the offense and he Saunders) will be doing that - I do not see any "changes" to how our offense "works"
Gibbs, who is no slouch offensively, will obviously work with Saunders to ensure the offense is as productive as it can be - this is not disruptive, this is constructive



just like everything else - we do well, everybody wants it done differently (specifically "their way"!) because it will be be even better - we do badly, and everybody knows the reason(s) why gotta love it - that's why we have so much fun here

Skins Jock, I couldn't agree more! Everyone has a magic solution to the problem yet it changes depending on the topic. So last year our QB issues had nothing to do with the lack of success in the red zone? Play calling is play calling but execution gets the job done. I could call the plays but if the players don't do what they've been told to then it will just never work.

I guess I know why I've been away for a while, this place is so frustrating sometimes. Everyone has the answers to our struggles and those that don't just act as though we are the only team in football struggling to find our way. We are no unique. Every team that finished without a run at the playoffs is doing exactly the same thing this team is doing.

Everything is Snyder's fault, I thought we were all clear on that

Now those are words to live by from the straw that stirs the drink and nice to have you back NikiH

Everything changed after Cooke died and Joe left. But now its being repaired. You can't fix an organisation that was as jacked as ours WAS in a season or two. Were getting there slowing but SURELY!

Sellers does need to be used more in the redzone. Never understood why we just didn't pound 2back formations in the redzone all day. Lloyd is great at the jump ball. JC is mobile. And I think Portis is going to score more than usual this year. He wasn't happy on the bench!

NikiH wrote:Skins Jock, I couldn't agree more! Everyone has a magic solution to the problem yet it changes depending on the topic. So last year our QB issues had nothing to do with the lack of success in the red zone? Play calling is play calling but execution gets the job done. I could call the plays but if the players don't do what they've been told to then it will just never work.

I guess I know why I've been away for a while, this place is so frustrating sometimes. Everyone has the answers to our struggles and those that don't just act as though we are the only team in football struggling to find our way. We are no unique. Every team that finished without a run at the playoffs is doing exactly the same thing this team is doing.

Well said NikiH... and that goes for SkinsJock too. I agree 120%

As far as the play calling goes, I am guessing Gibbs says, "Give me a pass," or "Give me a run," but if he wants anything, I am betting he makes the play call himself. Also, they have a play sheet where they pick plays from by situation. That will always be the sheet they get the play from unless they have some amazign moment of clarity.

As far as the redzone goes, the problem is simple. We need to get back to old-school Redskins where we pounded teams up front until they were bleeding out of their ears. We have shown last three years we lack the ability to mix it up in critical situations such as third and short and inside the 5-yard line.

Whatever is working between the 20's, shouldn't stop in the redzone. Maybe the package shifts and you put in taller players.

But, they need to identify why it fizzles.