Gibbs on the Draft
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:28 pm
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Gibbs on the Draft
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Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:46 pm
Vinny needs to go. I can't even stand to look at him, why are his eyes bulging? LMAO @ Vinny spitting some draft knowledge. Yeah....I went there.
LMAO @ Vinny spitting some draft knowledge. Yeah....I went there.Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 4:48 pm
Chris Luva Luva wrote:Vinny needs to go. I can't even stand to look at him, why are his eyes bulging?
I was thinking MOSTLY the same thing
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 5:18 pm
Redskins.com doesn't have a link to the press conference up anymore. I missed it. So what did Gibbs have to say?
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 5:57 pm
The biggest thing that stood out was when asked about trade value Gibbs said they needed to talk to Vinny, because he has a big board with what every team wants 
Also "the Danny" was asked what happens when he is over ruled only to be proved right, he said he'll just go out and trade for the guy (talking about Gardner being drafted over Santana). Vinny jumped right in saying he was with ESPN at the time and knew it wasn't the owners choice.
Also "the Danny" was asked what happens when he is over ruled only to be proved right, he said he'll just go out and trade for the guy (talking about Gardner being drafted over Santana). Vinny jumped right in saying he was with ESPN at the time and knew it wasn't the owners choice.
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 8:48 pm
“If we’re picking at 6th, well be looking for the best player available.” – Vinny Cerrato
So the Redskin’s draft strategy is to take the best player available… If they pick at #6.
What does that mean?
Are they looking to move the pick?
“We could go up, we could go back, or we could stay put” – Joe Gibbs
OK thanks for clearing that up! But could you be more specific?
“It all depends on what happens in the top 5” – Vinny Cerrato
Well now I understand thanks for throwing that out there.
Other tidbits:
Gibbs said that he would love to have more picks, but he also said that he would love to have a whole draft to work with next year.
… so he thinks good linemen (both O-line & D-line) can be found in the later rounds.Vinny Cerrato said, statistically the best value in a draft comes in the 2nd round. He also said lineman go early and then late in the draft
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:20 pm
SkinsFreak wrote:Redskins.com doesn't have a link to the press conference up anymore. I missed it. So what did Gibbs have to say?
Here you go:
Pick Six: Strategy is 'Best Player Available'
By Gary Fitzgerald
Redskins.com, April 24, 2007
Like most teams, the Redskins are keeping their options open in this weekend's NFL Draft. If the Redskins hold on to the sixth overall pick, they will not necessarily draft a player at a need position.
They'll go with the best player available.
"When you're picking at six, when you're picking high like that, the thing you don't want to do is draft for need and take somebody who's not worthy of that pick," vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato said on Tuesday.
Owner Daniel M. Snyder, head coach Joe Gibbs and Cerrato discussed the team's draft strategy during the Redskins' pre-draft press briefing on Tuesday at Redskins Park.
Continued Cerrato: "What you want to do with the sixth pick is draft somebody who has Pro Bowl potential. You want an impact player. It doesn't matter what position. To take someone at a need position that should go [later in the draft] is not smart. If we are picking at six, we will be looking for the best player available."
Just because the Redskins want an impact player does not mean that player will start right away, though.
"With the sixth pick, you're looking long term," Gibbs said. "Can this player play for 10-12 years? So even though it may be crowded [at the position] where that player comes in, you feel that he's going to be playing here for a long time and that he'll have a chance to go to Pro Bowls.
"That doesn't mean he's going to do it the first year. Sometimes it's a learning process and sometimes he goes into a position where there's already a lot of talent.
"You'd like a guy to come in and make an immediate impact, but if you look at our football team, where could a player just step in right now and say, 'I'm taking over.' Where is that? So that makes us feel that we don't have to draft at any one position."
The Redskins' strategy opens up a number of scenarios on draft day. It's widely believed that the team needs to address the defensive line with the No. 6 pick--and some quality linemen should be available in defensive ends Jamaal Anderson and Gaines Adams and defensive tackles Amobi Okoye and Alan Branch.
If elite players such as wide receiver Calvin Johnson or safety LaRon Landry are within their grasp at No. 6, the Redskins may consider drafting either one of them.
For the last month, team officials have attended workouts and hosted meetings with many of the draft's top prospects.
"We have probably had dinner with 25 of the first-round picks," Snyder said. "You try and cover as much ground as you can...Workout days overlap with each other, so you can't see as many as you would like to. You try to make the rounds as best you can. You try to get to know them. You try to have a meal with them and understand their backgrounds."
All offseason, team officials have made it known they would be willing to field trade offers for the sixth overall pick.
To obtain a player like Johnson, it's increasingly evident that the Redskins would have to trade up. A more likely scenario has the Redskins trading down a few spots in the draft and acquiring additional picks in the second or third round.
The Redskins do not currently have picks in the second, third and fourth round of this year's draft.
Asked about trading down, Cerrato replied: "I would say it all depends on who is there. It all depends on what happens in the top five. If somebody falls that another team has an interest in, then I think there's a chance of movement."
One trade option that appears to be on hold is a deal for Chicago Bears linebacker Lance Briggs. According to Adam Schefter of NFL.com, the Redskins and Bears discussed a trade last month involving Briggs and the Redskins' No. 6 pick.
"We don't anticipate anything," Gibbs said when asked if a trade for Briggs is still possible. "When that comes up, we're normally so cautious. To get those things to actually pan out and work is so hard."
No matter what the Redskins do on the trade front on draft day, Gibbs wants the team to hold on to all of their remaining draft picks for 2008. The team dealt its 2008 fourth-rounder to Denver as part of the T.J. Duckett trade last August.
I do not like the sound of this. Cerrato seems to be pretty much at the core of it.
$@^&>*$ !!!
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:26 pm
Redskin in Canada wrote:I do not like the sound of this. Cerrato seems to be pretty much at the core of it.
$@^&>*$ !!!
Vinny pointed out that he was not with the Skins when they passed on Moss and took 50/50
I'd be willing to bring back Gardner and get rid of Vinny C. in a heartbeat.
Gardner still stands has the most productive #2 WR the Skins have had in "the Danny" years. In other words we still haven't found a replacement for his production, I'm sure that won't be the case with Vinny.
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 9:47 pm
Vinny has been getting on my nerves for a while.
I really think he needs to go but probably wont.
I really think he needs to go but probably wont.
Posted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:30 pm
First
Then
Vinny C. wrote:When you're picking at six, when you're picking high like that, the thing you don't want to do is draft for need and take somebody who's not worthy of that pick,"
Then
Joe Gibbs wrote:"You'd love to have a guy who can make an immediate impact," Gibbs said. "But to be quite truthful, you look at our football team, where could a player step in here right now and say: 'I'm taking over'? Where is that? That makes us feel good. I don't feel panicked that we have to take any one thing. It's hard to say that somebody would just step into any position right now."
Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:30 am
1niksder wrote:FirstVinny C. wrote:When you're picking at six, when you're picking high like that, the thing you don't want to do is draft for need and take somebody who's not worthy of that pick,"
ThenJoe Gibbs wrote:"You'd love to have a guy who can make an immediate impact," Gibbs said. "But to be quite truthful, you look at our football team, where could a player step in here right now and say: 'I'm taking over'? Where is that? That makes us feel good. I don't feel panicked that we have to take any one thing. It's hard to say that somebody would just step into any position right now."
LOL, they're not even on the same page. Who the heck can you have someone evaluating players and he's not even on your page?
Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:01 pm
I cannot stand the incompetancy of Vinny C.
I really cry burgandy tears knowing that this clown is bascially on board with the skins for as long as Danny is the owner. I think many on this board have a better understanding of personel needs than the FO of the skins, seriously.
so let me understand this. At # 6 pick you take the best athelete instead of what your team needs? That is truly moronic, i don;t care how you look at it. When you have the worst defense in the NFC and having glaring needs you should address them in the draft. Hypothetically, say we need a DT/DE and were stuck at #6, Vinny's logic is that instead of taking the best available player at a position that we need we don't worry about position and just take the best athlete regardless of position! Like they are going to be here for 10+ years!!! LOL Who stays with a team for 12 yrs nowadays? Especially with this dysfunctional management in place and the way they structure the contracts?
Vinny C and Danny S make me want to puke, literally. I abhor them and it makes me ill knowing that these two are making the decisions of my team that I have been a fan of for 30 yrs.
I really cry burgandy tears knowing that this clown is bascially on board with the skins for as long as Danny is the owner. I think many on this board have a better understanding of personel needs than the FO of the skins, seriously.
so let me understand this. At # 6 pick you take the best athelete instead of what your team needs? That is truly moronic, i don;t care how you look at it. When you have the worst defense in the NFC and having glaring needs you should address them in the draft. Hypothetically, say we need a DT/DE and were stuck at #6, Vinny's logic is that instead of taking the best available player at a position that we need we don't worry about position and just take the best athlete regardless of position! Like they are going to be here for 10+ years!!! LOL
Who stays with a team for 12 yrs nowadays? Especially with this dysfunctional management in place and the way they structure the contracts?
Vinny C and Danny S make me want to puke, literally. I abhor them and it makes me ill knowing that these two are making the decisions of my team that I have been a fan of for 30 yrs.
Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:03 pm
I don't think Vinny knows we dont have a 2nd, 3rd or 4th round pick.
Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 2:20 pm
When you read the following statements doesn't this sound like V and JG are on the same page?? To me both statements translate to picking the best player available. What am I missing?
Continued Cerrato: "What you want to do with the sixth pick is draft somebody who has Pro Bowl potential. You want an impact player. It doesn't matter what position. To take someone at a need position that should go [later in the draft] is not smart. If we are picking at six, we will be looking for the best player available."
"With the sixth pick, you're looking long term," Gibbs said. "Can this player play for 10-12 years? So even though it may be crowded [at the position] where that player comes in, you feel that he's going to be playing here for a long time and that he'll have a chance to go to Pro Bowls.
Continued Cerrato: "What you want to do with the sixth pick is draft somebody who has Pro Bowl potential. You want an impact player. It doesn't matter what position. To take someone at a need position that should go [later in the draft] is not smart. If we are picking at six, we will be looking for the best player available."
"With the sixth pick, you're looking long term," Gibbs said. "Can this player play for 10-12 years? So even though it may be crowded [at the position] where that player comes in, you feel that he's going to be playing here for a long time and that he'll have a chance to go to Pro Bowls.
Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 2:27 pm
Vinny said that we should take the best player overall.
Gibbs said we should take the player that fills a void at our weakest position.
Total opposites.
Gibbs said we should take the player that fills a void at our weakest position.
Total opposites.
Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 2:57 pm
I'm with you Skins#1, they are saying the same thing, take the best player available no matter the position.
Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:03 pm
Gibbs is a great coach, but if he makes a statement he should be held accountable just like everyone else. He is saying the same thing as Vinny C., and personally, I think they both have lost their mind. Let me beat some people to the punch, yes I know Gibbs has more football knowledge than me, I'm just stating my opinion.
Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:31 pm
Chris Luva Luva wrote:Vinny said that we should take the best player overall.
Gibbs said we should take the player that fills a void at our weakest position.
Total opposites.
Just seems like you're quibbling over semantics. "Best player overall" could mean best player that fills a void. Either way, teams are just blowing smoke right now anyway. Didn't we bring in Russell for a work-out? Anyone believe we'd actually get him if he fell to 6? I don't.
Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 4:29 pm
1niksder wrote:FirstVinny C. wrote:When you're picking at six, when you're picking high like that, the thing you don't want to do is draft for need and take somebody who's not worthy of that pick,"
ThenJoe Gibbs wrote:"You'd love to have a guy who can make an immediate impact," Gibbs said. "But to be quite truthful, you look at our football team, where could a player step in here right now and say: 'I'm taking over'? Where is that? That makes us feel good. I don't feel panicked that we have to take any one thing. It's hard to say that somebody would just step into any position right now."
Why the confusion? Gibbs also said this. Taken in total, it all makes sense.
Just because the Redskins want an impact player does not mean that player will start right away, though.
"With the sixth pick, you're looking long term," Gibbs said. "Can this player play for 10-12 years? So even though it may be crowded [at the position] where that player comes in, you feel that he's going to be playing here for a long time and that he'll have a chance to go to Pro Bowls.
"That doesn't mean he's going to do it the first year. Sometimes it's a learning process and sometimes he goes into a position where there's already a lot of talent.
"You'd like a guy to come in and make an immediate impact, but if you look at our football team, where could a player just step in right now and say, 'I'm taking over.' Where is that? So that makes us feel that we don't have to draft at any one position."
Posted: Wed Apr 25, 2007 4:45 pm
Gibbs spoke specifically about Golston and Montgomery, the two DT's we drafted last year. He said that those guys are really impressing the coaches and other players right now with their hard work, learning and their diligance in the weight room. I like the sound of that. We always hear about wanting to find those late round gems, well there might be two of them right there.
On the Nightly News segment on Redskins.com today, they interviewed Golston about when he was drafted by the Skins. I really liked how he seemed to be humble about his surroundings and how he wants to take every advantage of his situation. I like the guy a lot, he's has good character. I really think he is going to be a good one. We really haven't seen Montgomery play much but it's nice to hear the head coach make comment about him. I really hope he does well.
On the Nightly News segment on Redskins.com today, they interviewed Golston about when he was drafted by the Skins. I really liked how he seemed to be humble about his surroundings and how he wants to take every advantage of his situation. I like the guy a lot, he's has good character. I really think he is going to be a good one. We really haven't seen Montgomery play much but it's nice to hear the head coach make comment about him. I really hope he does well.
Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:56 am
nuskins wrote:Vinny C and Danny S make me want to puke, literally. I abhor them and it makes me ill knowing that these two are making the decisions of my team that I have been a fan of for 30 yrs.
Welcome to the club of long-standing Redskins fans who are sick and tired of the incompetence and selfishness of this couple of walking egos.
Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 12:47 pm
I think the best thing to remember at this time of the year is that everyone involved with the selection process for any team is most likely lying to cover their real intentions EXCEPT Joe Gibbs. This is because he is a very religious man 
but, .... even Gibbs will tell a little white lie now and then!
This should not surprise anyone and yet we continue to fret about statements that we really know to not be true.
Analysing the team possibilities is real - analysing the team statements is useless.
but, .... even Gibbs will tell a little white lie now and then!
This should not surprise anyone and yet we continue to fret about statements that we really know to not be true.
Analysing the team possibilities is real - analysing the team statements is useless.
Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:12 pm
SkinsJock wrote:I think the best thing to remember at this time of the year is that everyone involved with the selection process for any team is most likely lying to cover their real intentions EXCEPT Joe Gibbs. This is because he is a very religious man
Gibbs doesn't lie... he has a hearing problem, he doesn't quite hear what is being asked. To battle this issue he just answers what he thinks he has heard. His response will always be truthfull and full of insight it just won't contain the answer to the question that was asked, even when the guy that asked the question thinks it's been cleared up it hasn't and he won't know it until he's back in the office trying to transcribe what Gibbs had said.
Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:09 pm
1niksder wrote:..Gibbs doesn't lie... he has a hearing problem, he doesn't quite hear what is being asked. To battle this issue he just answers what he thinks he has heard. His response will always be truthfull and full of insight it just won't contain the answer to the question that was asked, even when the guy that asked the question thinks it's been cleared up it hasn't and he won't know it until he's back in the office trying to transcribe what Gibbs had said.
That's a very good point, redskin1 - matter of fact, that reminds me - I am constantly saying "pardon" because I'm trying to figure out what the person said because I just do not have good hearing - thanks!
And you are right - Gibbs is a man of his word and would never lie - he just is not able too!
Posted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:15 pm
SkinsJock wrote:
And you are right - Gibbs is a man of his word and would never lie - he just is not able too!
Gibbs could lie with the best of them if he wanted to, he'd follow up every lie with "that wasn't true" or "that was a lie" and a laugh and people wouldn't know what to believe.
He's hard to listen to but a good read.