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Hey guys I been thinking and I feel that teams around the leauge and people in general feel that the Redskins are a dangerous team that is about to break out at any moment. Ever since Gibbs has been back I just think that there is somthing diffrent about this team somthing that i haven't felt before. Almost like they know now that they can win.They have that abilty to be in every game to the bitter end. If you look at the record the past three years it dosen't look good But, then run through it and see how many game were from seven point or less its crazy to think that the Skins were in to it and could of very well won so many games.IMHO i think teams circle the Skins on there calenders other then the cowgirls do cuse the fear Sean Taylor and Santana Moss What do you guys think about this team?


PS. Keep in mind that i know that they don't get respect by the so called "Sport guys "

The redskins are a explosive team and just need to find a couple more key players but i think they will destroy teams in a couple of years to they fix minor errors they have a superbowl team but just inconssitant some times

warpath1410 wrote:Waiting on the Redskins

Don't hold your breath.

warpath1410 wrote:Hey guys I been thinking and I feel that teams around the leauge and people in general feel that the Redskins are a dangerous team that is about to break out at any moment.

They don't see this team as being any more dangerous than any other team. I distinctly remever playeers from the Vikings squad picking apart of weaknesses on a post-game interview. I think that it was a safety that said that the NFL knows that Mark Brunell can't go deep.....

warpath1410 wrote:If you look at the record the past three years it dosen't look good But, then run through it and see how many game were from seven point or less its crazy to think that the Skins were in to it and could of very well won so many games.

I think the same can be said about 90% of the games in the NFL. Every team has great players. Every team doesn't have great players that play well together. There are very few blow outs in this league.

warpath1410 wrote:IMHO i think teams circle the Skins on there calenders other then the cowgirls do cuse the fear Sean Taylor and Santana Moss What do you guys think about this team?

The great teams circle all games as none of them are easy. The Cardinals gave us a fit in 2005.

I just don't see our LOSSES being any more spectacular or having a deeper meaning than any other team. I understand you're trying to look at the brighter side of things but AFAIK a loss is a loss and thats all it is. If it's not a W, its a L no matter how you spin it.

Its tough to tell for sure but after that disastrous 2006, why would anyone fear the Skins?
They have upgraded a couple of spots on D but the D-Line still has gaping holes and the safeties are spotty at best.
The O all depends on Campbell - is he going to be any good?
Only time will tell on that but the O line is solid, the backs great but the Receiving corps have yet to scare anyone.
Based on what they have now I would say 7-9 or 8-8....
Hopefully I am sooo wrong, which my wife says I am all the time.

I don't think they fear us, at least no more than any other team.

Look at the Raiders. They have Moss, and some hard hitter on their D. But look at their record the last couple of years.

I think we have much more talent than them, especially now with JC. I think we have more threats Moss, ey,ARL,Portis, Betts,Lloyd, JC. Plus, if our D comes on strong this year.

We just need to come out and show them who the Skins are . We need to put it all together, and I think it will happen.

I think the thread title says it all....

Waiting on the Redskins

warpath1410 wrote:I feel that teams around the leauge and people in general feel that the Redskins are a dangerous team that is about to break out at any moment.

It all depends what Redskins is it that you are talking about. Few teams would have wanted to face the 2005 "five in a row or we don't go" team. For the first time in a long while I thought that the character, work ethic and "band of brothers" mentality that characterised Joe Gibbs teams in the past had come back for good.

Now, if you are talking about the 2006 season Redskins, I must admit, they would not strike any more fear in the hearts and minds of any team more so than any other team in the league any given Sunday. There were many factors that contributed to our failure last season. Without an attempt to be exhaustive: Brunell finally ran out of gas, Clinton was never healthy after the preseason injury, the defensive line began to show its age, the secondary was picked apart, other than Moss the WRs contributed very little, Jason really did not know the Saunders system fully yet ... I could go on and on. But the -real- failure during last season's play came during the stretch in December. Those two games and losses against Atlanta and Philthy were killers.

Sometimes you know that whether win or lose, your team has a spirit. Sometimes a loss can show as much character as a win. Sadly, I did not witness the same attitude in our team at the end of the 2006 season compared to 2005. In a way, this is to be somewhat expected. A few injuries, mistakes and errors can make a big difference in today's NFL. Philthy had exactly a reverse scenario: 2005 stunk and they managed to come back in 2006.

I do not know what kind of chemistry and personality our team will show throghout this 2007 season. But it will not be long before we find out. I only know that if anybody can do it, it is Joe Gibbs and his coaches.

I am cautiously optimistic because Jason Campbell will know the system and he will match better with his receivers, Clinton Portis will be healthy again, our DL may get some help during the Draft and the remainder of FA, our secondary has some able bodies back and we will play better defense overall.

So you can call me cautiously optimistic or just plainly confused.

I agree with the statement that no team should fear us more than any other team because everyteam has a chance to make an impact run into the payoffs every year. With that note, I also agree with what was said before, that the Skins have a different attitude since Gibbs came aboard. I believe in the team now more than I did before and we know we can win any game. Before Gibbs, the team had no confidence and it looked to me that everygame was close until they game started.

What I find interesting is there seems to be a lot of pessimism with the defense. Yeah, it had a horrible (record breaking horrible) year last year.

But the 2006 defense, ranked 31st, was not much different talent-wise than the 2005 defense, ranked 9th. Ryan Clark and LaVar Arrington, but replaced starting Wynn with Andre Carter.

I think injuries had a LOT to do with how the defense played. I am curious to see how it rebounds.

Were the 3rd and 9th ranked defenses smoke and mirrors, and the 31st ranked defense more reflective of our talent...or was the 31st ranked defense just a blip?

I am plainly confused: I think the Redskins are going to the Super Bowl. But I thought that at this time last year, and the year before that - you get the picture.

I've been torturing myself by watching some of my tapes of last season, mainly because I'm sick and tired of the pre-draft BS. It seems to my decidedly inexpert eyes that the offense did not play that badly, especially towards the end of the season. What I do see is the defense giving up long runs on third down. I felt the whole team deflate when that happened, and it happened a lot, it seems.

So the question is, was the poor play by the defense the result of injuries and ineffective free agents? Or, as some said (and I derided,) has the league figured out Gregg Williams' schemes?

Dishgeek wrote:Or, as some said (and I derided,) has the league figured out Gregg Williams' schemes?

Well, he's been running his defense successfully for 10 (?) years now, so I don't think they suddenly figured it out.

I think his players underperformed last year (missed tackles were the key in that), which may reflect on his being a jerk. It's what ran him out of Buffalo (well, that and his horrible record). But who knows?

I predict with absolute 100% certainty that the Redskins are absolutely 100% unpredictable for the 2007 season at this time.



Thank you, thank you ...
(taking a bow throughout a standing ovation ...)

There are alot of thing that I will agree with in all these post. I always look on the better side of seasons and like many bleed burgandy and gold but, I still can understand that a bad season is a bad season. As I've said many times IMHO I do not belive this team is a 5-11 team but, I do understand they did have injuries and that the replacements still need to ball and produce results like stopping a team on third down and not missing tackles. I not blind becuse this is my team but I never stop thinking that they will fight all the way, I can see it, and really thats the feeling i get. My question for CCL is what is there number of teams that had lost by 7 points or less in like 3 years and can we think of anyone other than the skins would be on top of that list. Hey i know a lose is a lose but, I belive teams usually say "Damn those guys just kept comming".

warpath1410 wrote:There are alot of thing that I will agree with in all these post. I always look on the better side of seasons and like many bleed burgandy and gold but, I still can understand that a bad season is a bad season. As I've said many times IMHO I do not belive this team is a 5-11 team but, I do understand they did have injuries and that the replacements still need to ball and produce results like stopping a team on third down and not missing tackles. I not blind becuse this is my team but I never stop thinking that they will fight all the way, I can see it, and really thats the feeling i get. My question for CCL is what is there number of teams that had lost by 7 points or less in like 3 years and can we think of anyone other than the skins would be on top of that list. Hey i know a lose is a lose but, I belive teams usually say "Damn those guys just kept comming".

Every year it's the same excuses. I just want a fresh change of direction and thankfully htis offseason has brought.

Every year we say the same dribble of being just two players away. We're one free agent away. We're on coaching change away. We only won 3 games this season but we're really a 11 win team. This team is not unique in how the lose their games. There's nothing special going on, no conspiracy or uniform change.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/2006/regular

Go there and check out the win/loss columns and you'll see that this team is no further or closer to winning/losing games than any other team in this league. I looked at Miami and the scores weren't all that different than ours in the difference between the two teams.

We just say this stuff to make ourselves feel better because of a sucky season.

There is a stark difference between getting handled for four quarters and losing winnable games. That, to me, is what makes the Redskins so frustrating, the games they coulda/shoulda won but managed to give away.

Fios wrote:There is a stark difference between getting handled for four quarters and losing winnable games. That, to me, is what makes the Redskins so frustrating, the games they coulda/shoulda won but managed to give away.

What do you feel causes it?

Doc Walker talks about 2.1 and 3.2.

On O we need to get 3.2 on a run. Then it's 2nd and 6.8.

On D we need to hold a run to 2.1. Then it's 2nd and 7.9.

He said that's all they talked about during practice in his day.

The 2 big problems right now are we don't hold 'em to 2.1 and even when we do we collapse and give up the big play on 3rd down way too often.

We never seemed to go deep on O during the first 10 games last year yet I kept hearing we were doing it all the time (and successfully) in practice. No wonder. We were playing against OUR D in practice!!

All the pieces are in place on offense (too bad we lost Dock). The record shows that Saunders starts off middle of the pack in year one then blossoms to top 5 or better status. Plus we probably have a better set of catchers than he's ever had. I expect the O to be very good.

Will the D line get 2.1s on fisrt down consistently? That is step 1. Will we then get punts on 3rd down? That is step 2. I like our pass D better already with no Aren't-chu-lettin' him go right by you at safety and Smoot at corenr. Just be stout up front and play downhill in the secondary. I'd rather see Taylor blowing up someone after a short completion than geting burned deep cuz he's over involved in run support.

DarthMonk

It sounds to me that many of you think its the D that has the big question mark and I to belive that will be the X factor.
JC to me did some thing that made me say hmmmmmmmm but talent is there and its only a matter of time that CCL is all i'm saying that the feelings I get from many people is "It's only a matter of time till we light teams up." I'm not saying that your wrong I to belive a loss is a loss but I can see this team unlike many teams seem determind same as the coaching staff.

warpath1410 wrote:It sounds to me that many of you think its the D that has the big question mark and I to belive that will be the X factor.
JC to me did some thing that made me say hmmmmmmmm but talent is there and its only a matter of time that CCL is all i'm saying that the feelings I get from many people is "It's only a matter of time till we light teams up." I'm not saying that your wrong I to belive a loss is a loss but I can see this team unlike many teams seem determind same as the coaching staff.

Ignore my frustration, its comes and goes like the tide.

I think that we're one component away from allowing us to be 3/4 players away from being a continuous contender. But I'm going to leave it at that.

Your the Man CCL!!

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

warpath1410 wrote:It sounds to me that many of you think its the D that has the big question mark and I to belive that will be the X factor.
JC to me did some thing that made me say hmmmmmmmm but talent is there and its only a matter of time that CCL is all i'm saying that the feelings I get from many people is "It's only a matter of time till we light teams up." I'm not saying that your wrong I to belive a loss is a loss but I can see this team unlike many teams seem determind same as the coaching staff.

Ignore my frustration, its comes and goes like the tide.

I think that we're one component away from allowing us to be 3/4 players away from being a continuous contender. But I'm going to leave it at that.

So two players would put us over the top Right?

I think the FO is looking at last season like they were close but for bad luck (injury).

Starting with the D-line - Salave'a and Griff were both hurt, Daniels and Wynn have been beat on for years and it's catching up to them. At the same time Golston and Carter were learning a new scheme and were late to contribute. A healthy Griffin and rotating Salave'a and Golston (until JS broke completely down) along with Carter getting up to speed a lot quicker would have made a big difference last year. Throw in Montgomery a June 1st cut that serviceable and a player from the draft and there is a lot to work with there going into mini-camp

The Linebackers were banged up everywhere but on the weak side last year. when you consider the healthiest spot was also the weakest
Marshall and Washington were banged up most of last year and Rocky had a rocky 1st season. LFB will replace Marshall in the middle and Lamar will compete with Rocky on the weakside, Washington should be good to go by mini-camp and the loser on the weakside will add septh that wasn't there last year

SS was a non-factor last year and the same can be said for PP and AA. That's a lot of downs that were missed by a team that spent the whole off-season planning on seeing them all on the feild at once only to not have their service for basically the entire year. People forget that Carlos broke his hand last year and wasn't always 100% if he was out there. Bringing back Fox and adding Macklin and Smoot makes the situation easier to deal with should it happen again.

warpath1410 wrote:Your the Man CCL!!

I'm still trying to find this redskin1 dude Now I have to look for a CCL

well CCL is Chris Luva Luva. He always has great points and good post gotta respect him.

CCL or CLL?

I don´t mean to burst your bubbles, people, but you DO remember that we are picking 6th in the draft, right?

In absolute terms, that means that last year we were just 5 spots away from the awful Raiders.

Right now, I say we are a franchise that´s rebuilding.

1niksder wrote:

warpath1410 wrote:Your the Man CCL!!

I'm still trying to find this redskin1 dude Now I have to look for a CCL

I'm wondering whose man CCL has myself, actually.