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We have Moss and El...then it gets sketchy with lloyd...what makes us think brandon is a number two? Last year he had every opportunity and didn't produce. Calvin Johnson will strike fear into every team we face and with Santana opposite and ey in the slot! Forget about it. Give JCam the perfect weapon Moss, Johnson, Lloyd, El, ey! Defense is a need but the bottom line is the guys we already have on Dline need to just step up. At wideout however we are missing that guy, that possesion reciever who can also stretch the field. I suggest we trade #6 and next years 1st for Calvin Johnson. I just keep having the vision of us going down to dallas and lining up Calvin and Moss and it being lights out.

If CJ is an absolute no possibility... Laron Landry next to ST baby.

Landry over Jphnson, but I still feel we will trade down a bit and end up with a DE w/ a mid 20ish pick and hopefully have a 2nd or 3rd rd pick to go w/ it

Hey everyone must be asleep. this is a draft thread and it hasn't been moved yet...and its been up for 2 hrs. I guess Big Brother needs sleep too.

Just resting their eyes....
Or maybe checking for pinholes in my eyelids... MODS NEVER SLEEP

We don't need Johnson or Landry.

We need defensive linemen....

Do you really think Johnson is gonna be available at #6? I certainly don't!

Justice Hog wrote:Do you really think Johnson is gonna be available at #6? I certainly don't!

I'm getting the feeling that he won't be avaiable at #2

Yeah... we need five big receiving targets in a run-based offense.



NFL receivers would never, EVER complain if they didn't get the ball enough.

And you want to give up next year's number one to get him as well?

Are you My Cousin Vinny per chance?

Why don't we just trade Marcus Washington and Sean Taylor instead of giving up next year's pick... after all, if we had a 'can't miss' prospect like CJ, we wouldn't need defense.

If we used 2 #1 picks to get a WR I'd be furious. I don't care how good Calvin Johnson is that would be a horrible move.

In other words, some of us say "please don't draft Calvin Johnson".

Unless...

Yeah... we need five big receiving targets in a run-based offense

Saunders offense is run based? I guess I missed all those I-formations he had marshall faulk running out of...wait that's right OUR OFFENSE IS A PASSING OFFENSE. Only reason we still run is to set up big pass plays, gone are the days of 50 gut.

Gibbs4Life wrote:

Yeah... we need five big receiving targets in a run-based offense

Saunders offense is run based? I guess I missed all those I-formations he had marshall faulk running out of...wait that's right OUR OFFENSE IS A PASSING OFFENSE. Only reason we still run is to set up big pass plays, gone are the days of 50 gut.

Huh. Did you watch the Redskins play at all in the last 6 games of the year?

You're also referring to Mad Mike Martz' offense in St. Louis. When Saunders was the Offensive Coordinator for real, in KC, what do you remember?

Oh yeah, Priest Holmes and Larry Johnson running the ball. A lot.

PulpExposure wrote:Huh. Did you watch the Redskins play at all in the last 6 games of the year?

In all fairness, the main reason why we were so "run heavy" the last six games of the year was because they didn't want to put too much pressure on Campbell; not yet having the time to gel with our receivers at that point. Gibbs said that in a press conference.

I think Saunders offense displays a nice balance of both the run and the pass.

In all fairness, the main reason why we were so "run heavy" the last six games of the year was because they didn't want to put too much pressure on Campbell; not yet having the time to gel with our receivers at that point. Gibbs said that in a press conference.

I think Saunders offense displays a nice balance of both the run and the pass.

Thank You Freak! Hey I want to run the ball just as much as anyone. Reality is CP had problems last year call it injury or whatever bottom line no production, then late in the year JCam was being limited somewhat but not this year. I'll bet we throw more td's than rush for them next season anyone wanna take that bet for the record?

SkinsFreak wrote:In all fairness, the main reason why we were so "run heavy" the last six games of the year was because they didn't want to put too much pressure on Campbell; not yet having the time to gel with our receivers at that point. Gibbs said that in a press conference.

They also said they were getting back to "Redskins" football, which intimates a change of offensive philosophy more than purely to accomodate a young QB. Our team has 2 guys with 1000 yards rushing. We don't have even have 2 1000 yard receivers. It's easy to do the math with which we're more successful doing...

Gibbs4Life wrote:I'll bet we throw more td's than rush for them next season anyone wanna take that bet for the record?

I'll happily take that. But that's not a great measurement of run/pass. Run/pass playcall ratio is.

PulpExposure wrote:They also said they were getting back to "Redskins" football,

That is also correct. The combination of both limited the number of pass plays. I think they will open it up a little more this year, however, which they should. We have something here Saunders didn't have in KC; a QB with a big arm and a set of solid receivers. I'm really excited about this offense this year.

Gibbs4Life wrote:

Yeah... we need five big receiving targets in a run-based offense

Saunders offense is run based? I guess I missed all those I-formations he had marshall faulk running out of...wait that's right OUR OFFENSE IS A PASSING OFFENSE. Only reason we still run is to set up big pass plays, gone are the days of 50 gut.

Sorry, I didn't realize we were talking about Saunders offense circa 1999. I thought we were talking about Saunders' offense in Washington - which last year was mostly run-based... even before CP got hurt.

I'm not for one second disputing that Saunders has used the pass more in the past, but last year he didn't. I think as long as Gibbs is around that you'll see that stay the same.

I personally don't foresee drastic changes to the offense in 2007, so with CP and Betts, I'd expect to still see an awful lot of running.

With Moss, Lloyd, A.R.E and ey, I also personally think that we have all the offensive weapons that we have room for under the cap.

Taking a chance on a HUGE contract for an UNPROVEN rookie wide receiver seems like about the worst possible move that we could make right now IMO... that isn't just about personnel, it's about salary cap, chemistry, player egos, and bigger needs.

Plus Saunders clearly wasn't a fan of the run in KC as the stats reflect:

2001: 6th in the NFL

2002: 3rd in the NFL

2003: 15th in the NFL

2004: 5th in the NFL

2005: 4th in the NFL

An average ranking of around 7th in the league clearly means he abhors the run.

Apart from the reasons given above - Gibbs has indicated that the 2 things he would like to base this team on are establishing the run and stopping the run.

I agree with BH about the WRs we have, apart from the cap room IMO these guys can get it done effectively. We really do not need to add any depth at this time. I think we will see a very good balance from both the backs and receiving group this year.


I think that Johnson is going to be special I just do not see that happening in a B&G uni.

What is wrong with most of you people???

I almost agree with the orginal poster in this thread!

I do -hope- that Calvin drops to the 6th Pick. The only difference would be then that I would be delighted to consider -ALL- the options available all of the sudden to TRADE DOWN.

I'd be very greedy, 1st and two 2nd round pick-greedy.

While I'd love to have CJ (was a Mike Williams supporter), I know he won't drop to us and it's not a position of need... I would like to have a tall WR like Colston of the Saints and like Colston we'd be better off getting one late in the draft....if we had enough picks to do so. Maybe next year.

Hopefully Brandon will light it up this year, his leaping ability kinda evens things out, plus we have ey.

The main reason I think there is a chance we make a play for Calvin is WE NEED A RECIEVER WHO IS CLUTCH IN THE RED ZONE. As of now I can't remember the last time Moss caught a td pass with the line of scrimmage inside the 30.

I hope this dont happen

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft07/ ... id=2846177

Although it's a long shot, there are some whispers of the Redskins trading away next year's first-round pick (and possibly more) in order to move up for WR Johnson.

This rest for those who dont have Insider


6. Washington (5-11)
Projected pick: Amobi Okoye, DT, Louisville
Needs: DT, DE, G, S, CB, WR, OLB, QB, TE
• Washington's No. 1 priority is to trade out of the No. 6 spot. Regardless of where they pick, the Redskins should be in search for the best available defensive lineman (DT or DE) after setting a franchise record with only 19 sacks and finishing 27th versus the run in 2006.
• Trading back is the smartest play for the Skins, as they currently are without picks in the second, third and fourth rounds. Moving back would allow them to recoup some of those picks, while still getting a very good value on one of the top defensive linemen. The Vikings (No. 7) and Dolphins (No. 9) are potential trade partners if Quinn is still on the board. The Texans (No. 10), Bills (No. 12) and Packers (No. 16) would be possible suitors if Peterson is available.
• If stuck at No. 6 with DE Adams already off the board, DT Okoye becomes the next-best option. The 19-year-old has bulked up to 300-plus pounds and ran the 40 in the 4.8-second range at an on-campus workout.
• Although it's a long shot, there are some whispers of the Redskins trading away next year's first-round pick (and possibly more) in order to move up for WR Johnson.

I would love to see us trade up for Calvin Johnson. This guy is gonna be a pro bowler, and opposite Moss, we'd likely be looking at two #1 receivers.

For those who say we need D-line help, they are correct. But ask Chicago what a high powered offense can do against the best defense in the league?

CJ has Moss speed, yet is a big receiver that can be that possession type, red zone scoring machine that the Redskins desperately need.

I think the defense will do just fine this year with what they've already got. Keep in mind that PP will be back at safety, Fletcher in the middle, Rocky sharing time with Marshall , and Smoot back in the mix. Carter found his game late last year and will have an outstanding 2007.

Let's add that final touch on an offense that could be a force with two deep threats on the outside preventing teams from stacking 8 in the box and doubling Moss on the outside.

I wouldn't take CJ at #6 let alone trading up to #2! Even if he end up being as good as Larry Fitzgerald (I doubt he will - these "experts" are almost never right about WRs) he won't help us as much as Moving down and taking a DE or DT or even a safety or corner. How many games have the Cards won with Boldin (2nd rounder) and Fitzgerald? How much did the "can't miss" Brayland Edwards help the Browns or Mike Williams, Roggers, Roy Williams help the Lions. Only an idiot wastes a top 10 pick on a WR (yes, Im' talking to you Mr. Millen).
Reggie Wayne would just be another OK WR without Peyton and Marvin and he was a late first rounder.
I challenge anyone to name a 1st round WR that has been an impact player his first year and continued to contribute for at least five years. Give me one in the last two decades!