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Owner Daniel Snyder has the final say on every personnel matter, and even though many don't like his style, it's hard not to be impressed with his commitment to turning his franchise around. He doesn't have a great football background in terms of watching film and evaluating players, so he leans on Vinny Cerrato, the vice president of football operations, who often speaks for Snyder and the organization. However, Cerrato's relationship with coach Joe Gibbs and the coaching staff is in question. Don't be surprised if Gibbs tries to take a more active role in personnel decisions, and that could lead to some clashes. The Redskins have a solid scouting staff, but they are only information gatherers and have not had a lot to do on draft day because of numerous trades involving draft picks.

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Snyder leans heavily on Cerrato? Sounds like the blind leading the blind to me.

It's a shame Cooke couldn't have lived forever.

This is what he said about the Cowboys:

Owner, president and GM Jerry Jones is more involved in personnel matters than any other owner in the NFL.

Yes, Snyder has final say...because he signs the paychecks. As he should have final say...every other damn CEO of any corporation has final hiring authority as well (just some don't exercise that authority, delegating it to others). That's a questionable statement.

And Gibbs and Snyder's relationship isn't in question. That's just stupid. Joe Gibbs is the only Redskin employee who calls him Dan. That should tell you where the leverage lies.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:This thread is going to be......

Must be the offseason

PulpExposure wrote:And Gibbs and Snyder's relationship isn't in question. That's just stupid.

In all fairness, it said that Gibbs and Cerrato's relationship is in question, not Gibbs and Snyder. And that is a good thing; Gibbs will stand up to Snyder and tell him how it is, with regard to Vinny, and I believe Snyder will listen and act.

SkinsFreak wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:And Gibbs and Snyder's relationship isn't in question. That's just stupid.

In all fairness, it said that Gibbs and Cerrato's relationship is in question, not Gibbs and Snyder. And that is a good thing; Gibbs will stand up to Snyder and tell him how it is, with regard to Vinny, and I believe Snyder will listen and act.

Bleh you're right. My reading comp sucks today.

PulpExposure wrote:As he should have final say...every other damn CEO of any corporation has final hiring authority as well (just some don't exercise that authority, delegating it to others).

But most CEOs of those corporations know their business. The CEO of IBM knows computers. The CEO of GM knows automobiles. Etc.

The CEO of the Redskins doesn't know successful football. I'm convinced that Snyder's ultimate objective isn't as much the Redskins being successful and adding to the trophy case as it is HE being the one responsible for the success.

I doubt he'd be totally satisfied with a fourth Lombardi trophy if he were to, in the words of the current commercial, DELEGATE DOWN, step away and find out someone else did it better than he could.

Yes. I believe there's that much ego in play here.

frankcal20 wrote:However, Cerrato's relationship with coach Joe Gibbs and the coaching staff is in question. Don't be surprised if Gibbs tries to take a more active role in personnel decisions, and that could lead to some clashes. The Redskins have a solid scouting staff, but they are only information gatherers and have not had a lot to do on draft day because of numerous trades involving draft picks.

Cerrato versus Gibbs

Mediocrity versus Genius

Servility versus Courage

Selfishness versus Character

Oh, my God! Whom to keep?

Geeez Danny, this must REALLY be a difficult decision for you, eh?

The issues that have been raised and discussed in the Lance Briggs threadof this board could not be clearer EVER.

So, we now understand the shift to a better offseason recruitment program. Brilliant Joe. Brilliant. It was about time.

Link?

old-timer wrote:Snyder leans heavily on Cerrato? Sounds like the blind leading the blind to me.

It's a shame Cooke couldn't have lived forever.

Amen.

Who wants to live forever?

Also, let's keep the source in mind, this piece seems to be pretty on-point but ESPN has this atrocious habit of blind-sourcing and making statements that they expect you to take as fact because they are ESPN.

I know for a fact Campell was a Snyder pick.

Come on John, let it go. I know you wanted Brunell to be our QB forever but its just not going to happen. Has has to go at some point.

RedskinsFreak wrote:Yes. I believe there's that much ego in play here.

Oh, no doubt. Snyder has an immense ego. Making everyone (but Joe) call him Mr. Snyder? There isn't a rolly-eye emote big enough to convey my disgust at that.

RedskinsFreak wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:As he should have final say...every other damn CEO of any corporation has final hiring authority as well (just some don't exercise that authority, delegating it to others).

But most CEOs of those corporations know their business. The CEO of IBM knows computers. The CEO of GM knows automobiles. Etc.

The CEO of the Redskins doesn't know successful football. I'm convinced that Snyder's ultimate objective isn't as much the Redskins being successful and adding to the trophy case as it is HE being the one responsible for the success.

I doubt he'd be totally satisfied with a fourth Lombardi trophy if he were to, in the words of the current commercial, DELEGATE DOWN, step away and find out someone else did it better than he could.

Yes. I believe there's that much ego in play here.

The CEO of FORD or GM knows automobiles, sure. But their allegiance isn't to make the best automobile they can make, NOT EVEN CLOSE! Their ONLY objective is to make money. So Joe Gibbs is the Plant Manager saying to the CEO, "yeah, that's a neat new gizmo we're putting in the car, but I'm not so sure it's gonna work very well. Hell, we might get a ton of warranty service calls on that gizmo."

I think the repeating pattern we see with Dan Snyder are moves that get all of us fans and media all excited to buy tickets and jerseys, write articles, etc. Not necessarily moves that show much football accumen. So, YES, Snyder is a success if you judge him by HIS criteria, which is how much profit he turns out of his Redskins franchise.

Im not convenced Snyder signs the high contrats for high profile playes to put fans in the seats and make money. He knows he sells out the stands it he signs them or not. I think he truly wants to win. And signs the big names to win. I just don't think he looks at the coaching side of it. You know, things like can this guy be coached, and will he fit in with our players. I'm sure he knows the stands will be full every week, no matter who he signs. He could put any joe off the steets in the backfield and we would all be biting our fingernails.

BTW, Is that guy really serious he want Brunell in the game. OMG

PulpExposure wrote:

RedskinsFreak wrote:Yes. I believe there's that much ego in play here.

Oh, no doubt. Snyder has an immense ego. Making everyone (but Joe) call him Mr. Snyder? There isn't a rolly-eye emote big enough to convey my disgust at that.

Funny thing is that Gibbs always called JKC Mr Cooke. For some reason that worked out better for us. Maybe he should call Dan Mr Snyder.

BnGhog wrote:Im not convenced Snyder signs the high contrats for high profile playes to put fans in the seats and make money.

Me either. Last time I checked, when John Kent Cooke was the defacto owner, and we weren't signing many big contracts (Dana Stubblefield and Dan Wilkenson aside), the Redskins still sold out every game.

This is a loyal fanbase. Not one swayed by big signings imho.

frankcal20 wrote:Come on John, let it go. I know you wanted Brunell to be our QB forever but its just not going to happen. Has has to go at some point.

I have a hard time believing that Gibbs has enough time to be a GM and a coach. Red Auerbach even said in todays game u can't do it by yourself, untill Snyder hires a GM I won't believe he isn't picking the players. There are too many players and with the game being more strategic today its hard to do both the personal and coaching duties. Gibbs didn't by himself the first time around he had help, he had Bethard and Jack Kent Cooke (arguably the greatest owner in sports.)

LOSTHOG wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:

RedskinsFreak wrote:Funny thing is that Gibbs always called JKC Mr Cooke. For some reason that worked out better for us. Maybe he should call Dan Mr Snyder.

Maybe, but I think first Dan Snyder should be worthy of Joe Gibbs calling him "Mr. Snyder"

old-timer wrote:

LOSTHOG wrote:

PulpExposure wrote:

RedskinsFreak wrote:Funny thing is that Gibbs always called JKC Mr Cooke. For some reason that worked out better for us. Maybe he should call Dan Mr Snyder.

Maybe, but I think first Dan Snyder should be worthy of Joe Gibbs calling him "Mr. Snyder"

Good point, I didn't think it all the way through

It's not just about selling out the stadium. It's merchandise, corporate box seats, radio and tv revenue, etc. Plus, don't forget, back when Dan-o made arguably his most idiotic moves (Deion Sanders, Jeff George, Bruce Smith, etc) he was building the largest stadium in the NFL. He wanted to make a great big splash to ensure the 30,000+ seats and tons more box seats would sell out at a higher price. I think it's just how he has always done business.

We just want him to do less business and more FOOTBALL. That means he needs to banish his court jester Cerrato, hire a GM that Gibbs is comfortable with and get out of the football decisions. There's plenty of business decisions he can occupy his time with that don't involve football players.

fleetus wrote:It's not just about selling out the stadium. It's merchandise, corporate box seats, radio and tv revenue, etc. Plus, don't forget, back when Dan-o made arguably his most idiotic moves (Deion Sanders, Jeff George, Bruce Smith, etc) he was building the largest stadium in the NFL.

FedEx was built before Dan Snyder owned the Redskins.

Refresher for you.

Built in 1997. Snyder bought the team in 1999.

PulpExposure wrote:

fleetus wrote:It's not just about selling out the stadium. It's merchandise, corporate box seats, radio and tv revenue, etc. Plus, don't forget, back when Dan-o made arguably his most idiotic moves (Deion Sanders, Jeff George, Bruce Smith, etc) he was building the largest stadium in the NFL.

FedEx was built before Dan Snyder owned the Redskins.

But it was Snyder that turned it into the garish, over-advertised, over-crowded eyesore that it is today.

PulpExposure wrote:

fleetus wrote:It's not just about selling out the stadium. It's merchandise, corporate box seats, radio and tv revenue, etc. Plus, don't forget, back when Dan-o made arguably his most idiotic moves (Deion Sanders, Jeff George, Bruce Smith, etc) he was building the largest stadium in the NFL.

FedEx was built before Dan Snyder owned the Redskins.

Refresher for you.

Built in 1997. Snyder bought the team in 1999.

point remains the same.