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Patrick Ramsey to Denver.
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 10:48 pm
by frankcal20
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2791258
The Denver Broncos on Wednesday night won the battle for coveted backup quarterback Patrick Ramsey, with ESPN.com learning the club has reached a contract agreement with the five-year veteran.
Patrick Ramsey
Ramsey
Ramsey, 28, will sign a two-year contract worth approximately $5 million, with about $1.5 million in guarantees.
The Houston Texans and Carolina Panthers also were interested in Ramsey, who recently was released by the New York Jets after only one season with the team. Ramsey will become the backup to Denver second-year pro Jay Cutler, and he ostensibly replaces Jake Plummer in that role.
Denver last weekend traded Plummer to Tampa Bay, and the veteran abruptly retired. The Broncos then began exploring their options for a proven veteran to back up Cutler, their first-round choice in 2006, and quickly targeted Ramsey.
The Broncos will be Ramsey's third team in three seasons, but one of the reasons he settled on Denver as his new home is the overall stability of the organization and the chance to settle in with a franchise and coaching staff he respects.
The first-round choice of the Washington Redskins in 2002, Ramsey has played in 34 games, and his résumé includes 24 starts. He has completed 480 of 862 passes for 5,649 yards, with 34 touchdown passes, 29 interceptions and a passer rating of 74.9. His best season came in 2002, when he made 11 starts for the Redskins. Although he had a 4-7 record that year, Ramsey had 14 touchdown passes and nine interceptions.
The former Tulane star threw only one pass for the Jets in 2006, and New York released him rather than pay a roster bonus due this spring.
Blessed with a strong arm and solid pocket presence, Ramsey has suffered from being overcoached at times and, certainly during his tenure under coach Joe Gibbs in Washington, he was mishandled and lost confidence.
Given the volume of teams that pursued him after the Jets released him, though, it appears there are still people in the league who value him.
We are trading for Patrick Ramsey to be our backup again. ha ha ha
Re: Patrick Ramsey to Denver.
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 11:24 pm
by jazzskins
frankcal20 wrote:Blessed with a strong arm and solid pocket presence, Ramsey has suffered from being overcoached at times and, certainly during his tenure under coach Joe Gibbs in Washington, he was mishandled and lost confidence.
Huh? Pocket Presence.....Overcoached? How bout...Statue-like Sack Manget!
Re: Patrick Ramsey to Denver.
Posted: Wed Mar 07, 2007 11:35 pm
by 1niksder
jazzskins wrote: Pocket Presence.....
Ramsey has great Pocket presence... he never leaves it.
jazzskins wrote:Overcoached?
Spurrier sure could coach'em up couldn't he
Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:02 am
by frankcal20
I have to agree with you niksder. I really liked Ramsey and you will see that he is going to do some good things in Denver should he have the opportunity. We blew it with him. He has all the potential in the world and I wish him luck.
Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:06 am
by Fios
frankcal20 wrote:I have to agree with you niksder. I really liked Ramsey and you will see that he is going to do some good things in Denver should he have the opportunity. We blew it with him. He has all the potential in the world and I wish him luck.
You are missing the sarcasm in his post ... "all the potential in the world"? I disagree ... on the other hand, I am insanely envious of where you live, which isn't relevant at all.
Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:10 am
by frankcal20
Why would you be upset at the fact that I live at a place where the coldest temps reach 45ish. Today was somewhere around 80. I was hot. I took my tie off and everything at work. Between appointments, I ran my A/C in the car and saw Selma Hyect (whatever her spelling is) in a Bentley with a driver and all. I hate it here.
Oh, and I did miss the sarcasm.
Re: Patrick Ramsey to Denver.
Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 8:19 am
by cleg
frankcal20 wrote:http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2791258
The Denver Broncos on Wednesday night won the battle for coveted backup quarterback Patrick Ramsey, with ESPN.com learning the club has reached a contract agreement with the five-year veteran.
Patrick Ramsey
Ramsey
Ramsey, 28, will sign a two-year contract worth approximately $5 million, with about $1.5 million in guarantees.
The Houston Texans and Carolina Panthers also were interested in Ramsey, who recently was released by the New York Jets after only one season with the team. Ramsey will become the backup to Denver second-year pro Jay Cutler, and he ostensibly replaces Jake Plummer in that role.
Denver last weekend traded Plummer to Tampa Bay, and the veteran abruptly retired. The Broncos then began exploring their options for a proven veteran to back up Cutler, their first-round choice in 2006, and quickly targeted Ramsey.
The Broncos will be Ramsey's third team in three seasons, but one of the reasons he settled on Denver as his new home is the overall stability of the organization and the chance to settle in with a franchise and coaching staff he respects.
The first-round choice of the Washington Redskins in 2002, Ramsey has played in 34 games, and his résumé includes 24 starts. He has completed 480 of 862 passes for 5,649 yards, with 34 touchdown passes, 29 interceptions and a passer rating of 74.9. His best season came in 2002, when he made 11 starts for the Redskins. Although he had a 4-7 record that year, Ramsey had 14 touchdown passes and nine interceptions.
The former Tulane star threw only one pass for the Jets in 2006, and New York released him rather than pay a roster bonus due this spring.
Blessed with a strong arm and solid pocket presence, Ramsey has suffered from being overcoached at times and, certainly during his tenure under coach Joe Gibbs in Washington, he was mishandled and lost confidence.
Given the volume of teams that pursued him after the Jets released him, though, it appears there are still people in the league who value him.
We are trading for Patrick Ramsey to be our backup again. ha ha ha
Why wouldn't he sign with Houston where he could play rather than Denver?
Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 8:50 am
by redskingush
Good Luck Patrick.
Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:59 am
by SkinsFreak
I guess the Jets didn't think too much of him either, as a player. Unless Cutler gets injured, Ramsey may never see the field again. Too bad, I liked the kid, as a person, not as a player.
Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:30 am
by frankcal20
This is a good opportunity for Ramsey. The coach has a quick trigger and if Cutler messes up a lot, Ramsey will be in there.
Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:43 am
by REDEEMEDSKIN
It's only fitting that frankcal20 post this story. I can't wait to read crazyhorse's take on this, as well.
If Ramsey couldn't outperform, Brunell, Pennington, and the back-up in NJ, what makes you all think that he could overtake an up-and-coming "star" like "Babyface, Rocket Arm" Cutler?
Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 11:58 am
by Redskins Rule
REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:It's only fitting that frankcal20 post this story. I can't wait to read crazyhorse's take on this, as well.
If Ramsey couldn't outperform, Brunell, Pennington, and the back-up in NJ, what makes you all think that he could overtake an up-and-coming "star" like "Babyface, Rocket Arm" Cutler?
Because Ramsey was able to win games with Spurrier as his head coach!
Because Ramsey was able to win games running a college offense, with college wide recievers, against NFL Defenses!
Because he broke Dallas' win streak against us while running a college offense, with college wide recievers, AND without his starting running back!
Because Ramsey was able to win games in a flawed system.
Because Ramsey would have more touchdown passes then INT's when he was getting hit 20-30 times a game!
Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:03 pm
by Cappster
Ramsey's career is over. He was PUMMELED too much early in his career to recover.
Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:04 pm
by REDEEMEDSKIN
Redskins Rule wrote:Because he broke Dallas' win streak against us while running a college offense...
C'mon, that was 1/4 a Dallas team. That "win" shouldn't count. BTW - Did we even win that game? I can't recall.
Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:15 pm
by Chris Luva Luva
Redskins Rule wrote:REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:It's only fitting that frankcal20 post this story. I can't wait to read crazyhorse's take on this, as well.
If Ramsey couldn't outperform, Brunell, Pennington, and the back-up in NJ, what makes you all think that he could overtake an up-and-coming "star" like "Babyface, Rocket Arm" Cutler?
Because Ramsey was able to win games with Spurrier as his head coach!
Even a broken clock is right two times a day.
Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 12:15 pm
by Fios
Those of you who still see Ramsey as a talented started in the NFL are delusional. I love the guy for the time he put in here but he simply isn't star material. He is a solid, totally immobile QB suited to a backup role, that's it. Those 29 career picks aren't all the result of pressure, many were the result of bad decisions. And some of the sacks he took were his fault as well.
Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 1:47 pm
by frankcal20
I would be immobile also if I was getting rushed from the left and the right. I mean where do you go? Anyways, Ramsey needs some continuity in a system where he can develope. He will flurish when given the opportunity. Call it what you will, he played on a crappy team with us and last year with NY in a new system with a new coach.
Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:04 pm
by Mursilis
Fios wrote:Those of you who still see Ramsey as a talented started in the NFL are delusional. I love the guy for the time he put in here but he simply isn't star material. He is a solid, totally immobile QB suited to a backup role, that's it. Those 29 career picks aren't all the result of pressure, many were the result of bad decisions. And some of the sacks he took were his fault as well.
I'd still like to see him redeem himself (except against us), and while I admit the odds aren't great, it has happened with other QBs in the recent pass - they struggle for years, bounce from team to team, get the 'perenial back-up' tag, and then they suddenly blossom as good starters. Rich Gannon and Trent Green come to mind.
Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:15 pm
by Fios
frankcal20 wrote:I would be immobile also if I was getting rushed from the left and the right. I mean where do you go? Anyways, Ramsey needs some continuity in a system where he can develope. He will flurish when given the opportunity. Call it what you will, he played on a crappy team with us and last year with NY in a new system with a new coach.
In Ramsey's three as a starter (I know he didn't play a full season), they ranked 20th (02); 25th (03); and 18th (04) in sacks allowed, let's not blow that too far out of proportion. That's an average rank of 21st which is not great but I think people remember that as much worse than it actually was. And his immobility has nothing to do with the pass rush, it's a fact of life for him.
Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:47 pm
by Redskins Rule
Fios wrote:frankcal20 wrote:I would be immobile also if I was getting rushed from the left and the right. I mean where do you go? Anyways, Ramsey needs some continuity in a system where he can develope. He will flurish when given the opportunity. Call it what you will, he played on a crappy team with us and last year with NY in a new system with a new coach.
In Ramsey's three as a starter (I know he didn't play a full season), they ranked 20th (02); 25th (03); and 18th (04) in sacks allowed, let's not blow that too far out of proportion. That's an average rank of 21st which is not great but I think people remember that as much worse than it actually was. And his immobility has nothing to do with the pass rush, it's a fact of life for him.
The Reason why his sack numbers were down is that he was running Steve Spurrier's "Chuck and Duck" offense! Where he would take his seven step drop and IMMEDIATELY "Chuck" and then IMMEDIATELY "Duck". Whenever he didn't do that he "hung onto the ball to long".
He was in a flawed system! Then when Gibbs had him starting he was running an offense "from the early 90's"........thats what Jansen said of the offense anyway.
Ramsey is a good quarterback. Just give him a team that has NFL wide recievers and a NFL system.
Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:55 pm
by Fios
I'll tell you what, I promise you that, barring injury or absolutely atrocious play by Cutler, he will sit on the bench in Denver next season.
Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:57 pm
by Chris Luva Luva
PRAM is trash. I feel that Steve really screwed him but PRAM had other chances to succeed and stunk it up there too.
OH WELL...
Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:59 pm
by Mursilis
Chris Luva Luva wrote:PRAM is trash. I feel that Steve really screwed him but PRAM had other chances to succeed and stunk it up there too.
Too bad that never kept Brunell from starting . . .
Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 3:51 pm
by Redskins Rule
Chris Luva Luva wrote:PRAM is trash. I feel that Steve really screwed him but PRAM had other chances to succeed and stunk it up there too.
OH WELL...
Ramsey had a chance to succeed? I didn't know that. Must have forgotten. Can you refresh my memory?
Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 4:11 pm
by Fios
So, if all of the Ramsey supporters are correct, why didn't a team like Tampa or Chicago or Oakland or Cleveland or Minnesota go after Ramsey? If he's just a guy waiting for a chance, wouldn't someone give it to him? Is it because all of the people involved in scouting for, coaching and running those teams are idiots or is it POSSIBLE you are allowing a bias to color your perceptions?