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Has anyone been watching the combine on NFL Network?

Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 12:43 pm
by Cappster
I have been watching quite a bit of the combine. I have to say that I like Gaines Adams. He is very athletic and he could fit well into GW's system. Not sure how he does on stopping the run but he's got a nice burst to be a pass rushing threat.

Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 1:13 pm
by frankcal20
he's ok but he didn't compete in all the drills. I don't like that. Why not go out there and show what you have. Then have a pro day and try to improve on that. Calvin Johnson only helped himself. I'm thinking that paulzinsky or whatever could fit great with us. I also like Adam Carikker. I'm also looking for us to trade down.

Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 1:15 pm
by Houligan26
He competed in as many drills as anyone at the combine yesterday because he was asked to do things for d lineman and lbs. He was by far the darling of the combine yesterday.

Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 1:17 pm
by frankcal20
I just don't like hearing that he takes plays off. I want a guy who plays hard 100% of the time he's on the field.

Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 1:24 pm
by Houligan26
Agreed..also does anyone else realize all the guys that would be on our radar if we traded down had great combines. Carriker, Patrick Harris, Posluszny...I was very anti trading down going into this week but I feel different lately. These sob stories about Harris is effecting my thinking :cry:

Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 1:37 pm
by frankcal20
They have said that this year, more than any other year, you can get a dlineman who can come in and start for you. Why not trade down and pick up a Dend, and a D tackle both. The way I see it, one guy can't block two players so if we can somehow get two really good players out of one pick, why wouldn't you do it. Seems like NE has done pretty well with that.

Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 1:37 pm
by frankcal20
Sorry for the double post but did anyone else see Jerry Gray running the dback drills.

Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 1:40 pm
by Cappster
I would not be happy if we took a LB. We need help on the D-line. We need a pass rusher that can actually get to the quarterback. Plus, I don't think he would take any plays of when he (Adams) would have to come back to the side line and get ripped a new one by GW. A LB is no good unless he has a good D-line in front of him. D-line can make everyone elses job on D a lot easier and improve the overall play of the defense.

Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:02 pm
by frankcal20
frankcal20 wrote:They have said that this year, more than any other year, you can get a dlineman who can come in and start for you. Why not trade down and pick up a Dend, and a D tackle both. The way I see it, one guy can't block two players so if we can somehow get two really good players out of one pick, why wouldn't you do it. Seems like NE has done pretty well with that.


This is what I was saying. My point is if you can get two high caliber players for the price of one, why not. As for a LB, I really meant that I like the guy not necessarily for him.

Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:41 pm
by Fios
what?

Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 5:29 pm
by brad7686
frankcal20 wrote:They have said that this year, more than any other year, you can get a dlineman who can come in and start for you. Why not trade down and pick up a Dend, and a D tackle both. The way I see it, one guy can't block two players so if we can somehow get two really good players out of one pick, why wouldn't you do it. Seems like NE has done pretty well with that.


Yea but the problem is if you want to get an elite defensive end you usually have to take them early because many aren't big enough, many aren't strong enough, many aren't fast enough, and many have bad technique. Gaines has none of those problems really. Look at Peppers, Freeney, etc. The elite usally come off the board pretty early.

Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 5:39 pm
by Chris Luva Luva
If they truely feel any of these guys are elite than they need to get them. IF they seem mediocre, then lets trade down and get two mediocre guys instead of one. :lol:

Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 5:59 pm
by Houligan26
[quote="brad7686"] Yea but the problem is if you want to get an elite defensive end you usually have to take them early because many aren't big enough, many aren't strong enough, many aren't fast enough, and many have bad technique. Gaines has none of those problems really. Look at Peppers, Freeney, etc. The elite usally come off the board pretty early. [/quote]

I have a hard time agreeing with this. Some of the best ends ever were taken later in the draft. You mentioned Freeney but I rather have a Strahan (who was taken much later). Freeney still hasn't shown he is strong enough to stop the run. He was blessed to be on a high scoring team where he has the opportunity to always be going up field. Adams does have the problem of weight while I guy like Carriker although less explosive has less of a glaring weakenss than Adams.

Re: Has anyone been watching the combine on NFL Network?

Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 7:26 pm
by SkinsFreak
Cappster wrote:I have been watching quite a bit of the combine. I have to say that I like Gaines Adams. He is very athletic and he could fit well into GW's system. Not sure how he does on stopping the run but he's got a nice burst to be a pass rushing threat.


Is Jamaal Anderson participating in the combine?

Re: Has anyone been watching the combine on NFL Network?

Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:15 pm
by Cappster
SkinsFreak wrote:
Cappster wrote:I have been watching quite a bit of the combine. I have to say that I like Gaines Adams. He is very athletic and he could fit well into GW's system. Not sure how he does on stopping the run but he's got a nice burst to be a pass rushing threat.


Is Jamaal Anderson participating in the combine?


I don't think so. At least I didn't hear his name called while watching.

Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 9:50 pm
by brad7686
Houligan26 wrote:
brad7686 wrote: Yea but the problem is if you want to get an elite defensive end you usually have to take them early because many aren't big enough, many aren't strong enough, many aren't fast enough, and many have bad technique. Gaines has none of those problems really. Look at Peppers, Freeney, etc. The elite usally come off the board pretty early.


I have a hard time agreeing with this. Some of the best ends ever were taken later in the draft. You mentioned Freeney but I rather have a Strahan (who was taken much later). Freeney still hasn't shown he is strong enough to stop the run. He was blessed to be on a high scoring team where he has the opportunity to always be going up field. Adams does have the problem of weight while I guy like Carriker although less explosive has less of a glaring weakenss than Adams.


I didn't say there aren't exceptions, but Defensive End is one of the positions that actually pan out the way they are supposed to usually. Most positions are crapshoots except like OT and linebacker. This is a deep D-end class but Adams is the cream of the crop and Anderson has the most potential. If they were going to trade down and get one I would go after Dan Bazuin from Western Michigan who is underrated because of a small school and is an absolute man beast.

Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 10:49 pm
by frankcal20
Adam CArikker or we could go with Amobi Aloye(?).

Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 1:55 am
by brad7686
Carriker is pretty talented. Problem is whether or not he will consistently be able to turn the corner and disengage the tackle at his size. I don't think so, i think he's more a 3-4 guy. I say we take the quickest, nastiest pash rusher available. I don't see how they can pass on Adams if he is still there at 6, or Branch or Anderson for that matter.

Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:06 pm
by frankcal20
Here is an interesting analysis: Top 3 only:

As always, teams could have the choice of two types of defensive tackles to mend the interior of their front line. The quicker and sometimes undersized prospects can attack the line of scrimmage and create havoc while a handful of oversized space eaters can fill up the middle and allow others to make the play. The job description of the latter group does not sound exciting, but two such players (Haloti Ngata and Gabe Watson) came off the board before the end of the fourth round of last year's NFL draft.

The larger space eaters are wanted by teams playing either a 3-4 that are hopeful of finding the next inside plug along the lines of Casey Hampton or Jamal Williams or in a 4-3 scheme that is hopeful of locating a prospect similar to Ted Washington or Sam Adams.

A total of five interior defenders were taken within the first three rounds of last year's draft, while the majority of the players selected at this position came off the board between rounds 4-6.

This year's talented group of prospects includes three potential first-rounders, including two that could be taken in the Top 10. Overall, the position is also deeper than last year's draft and productive roles players will still be available through the mid-to-late rounds. One name to keep an eye on is Walter Thomas, the former NW Mississippi JC/Oklahoma State product that opened eyes at the Texas vs. the Nation game thanks to his size (6-foot-3, 370 pounds) and impressive quickness off the ball.

DT SLEEPERS
Walter Thomas, NW Mississippi JC/Oklahoma State
Trey Lewis, Washburn (Kansas)
Mike DeVito, Maine

TOP DEFENSIVE TACKLES
1. Amobi Okoye, Louisville. A 19-year old prodigy that has opened the eyes of evaluators with his great combination of size (6-foot-2, 302 pounds), speed, power and maturity for someone who could just as easily be entering college as he is headed to the NFL. He did very well at the Senior Bowl practices and no one questioned seems to have any fears about him adjusting to the off-field lifestyle of the NFL.

He comes out of the blocks full speed on most downs, showing ideal quickness, power and the upside to become a feared interior defender at the next level. He has long arms (33½") for a player with his average height and his intelligence and attacking style make him an ideal fit for many roles, but Cover-2 type squads paid closer attention to him than others during Senior Bowl week.

Okoye usually makes very good use of his hands, stays low and fires off the snap with aggression. However, he will over-pursue and can also get tall when called upon to blitz if stationed head up with a larger defender. He still needs to develop more of a variety of pass rush moves. Louisville used him as a nose guard when it went to a modified version of the 3-4, but most evaluators think he lacks a big enough physique to handle the pounding of that spot in the NFL.

Okoye's age, ability and upside will allow him the chance to penetrate the Top-10 picks of the draft, but his long-range potential is what puts him ahead of Branch in my book.

2. Alan Branch, Michigan. A big-bodied defender, Branch is being viewed by several 3-4 teams as possibly converting to defensive end like Ty Warren has done in New England, while others see him being slotted over the center similar to players like Sam Adams or Ted Washington.

Branch has rare strength for a player that can run right at or around 5.00 in the 40 at nearly 330 pounds. He is better at controlling the line of scrimmage and allowing others to make the actual play. He takes up two gaps and can face and defeat double teams, but more importantly can sustain his ground and drive past blockers thanks to his size and power.

Branch shows a short-area burst to the ball carrier and is strong enough to drag him down although he is not a great form tackler. He will need to develop some better pass rush moves in order to become more of a presence against the pass. Right now he is purely a bull rusher, but does not always play with technique and balance when rushing the passer. However, Branch does have long arms and can bat down a few balls or block the vision of the quarterback.

There is no doubt that a player with his type of size and skill level will go early in the first round and depending on how free agency plays out, he could very well be taken as high as the Top 5.

3. DeMarcus Tyler, N.C. State. He was able to get out from underneath the shadow of a defensive unit that featured three first-round picks (Mario Williams, John McCargo and converted outside linebacker Manny Lawson) just a year ago.

Tyler is very active off the snap and prefers to attack rather than sitting back and reading the blocker. He made much better use of his hands this past season, so that along with his impressive lower-body strength helped make him one of the most aggressive run stuffers in the nation. He is able to locate the ball as fast as any interior lineman on the board and more importantly gets into the opposing blocker off the snap more times than he allows them to make the first move on him.

His play level soared over the final year and a half of college football as his production nearly doubled during that period of time. His ability to help collapse the pocket and do so from any number of defensive alignments should bolster his final grade towards that of being a mid-to-late first round pick.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=A ... &type=lgns

Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 12:25 pm
by gibbs4president
Look I'm all for the combine and players showing their insane athletic abilites and being able to do things that maybe no other player in the NFL can do.

But, this is a great article on ESPN.com by Pat Forde...
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/ ... id=2776319


The combine is important somewhat, but it shouldn't be the most important reason for drafting a player. If it is, disaster can happen...

Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 3:15 pm
by frankcal20
Thats a great answer. Thats why I don't have a problem with trading down to increase our chances of actually landing a stud. WE NEED PICKS!!!! WE NEED PLAYERS!!! and not just one guy who plays every other play. I want a guy to go in and get us a 3 and out. Pressure the QB and give 100% each play.

Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 3:58 pm
by SeanTaylorJr.
As for Gaines Adams taking plays off, he doesn't really, these are just nice little phrases everyone hears from "experts", i watched him play many times and he is GOOD, everyone takes plays off here and there, high school, college, nfl.

Trading down would be a good Idea, I really Like Adam Carriker from nebraska is a pure beast, absolutely huge, and great speed (4.72 40) he could get a rush, and bolster the run better than Gaines Adams too