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The Oscars reminded me of this.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdGnZJES8W4

Remember when nearly everybody (well, not EVERYBODY), even many of the "hollywood liberal elites", believed he was wrong?

OOPS.

It's just a trillion dollars gone, hundreds of thousands of lives destroyed and a disgraced international reputation.....no biggy.

haha, michael moore is such a fat pig.

what a dope.

And oh no not GLOBAL WARMING!

Yeah, that's why people are like dying in Colorado because it's so cold and the ice caps in the south pole are getting bigger!

ha, global warming

But anyways, the Departed is a sick movie and that's sweet how it won.

Name calling, no facts. Nice rebuttal. Moore was you right and YOU were wrong. Have a nice day.

Like I was sayin', no biggy.....

http://welcome-to-pottersville.blogspot ... agine.html

As far as global warming goes, anybody who doesn't think it exists is either uneducated on the subject or else they are in denial because they don't want to revert to the old way of living, or close to it anyway. Weather is still going to happen. Its still gonna be cold as balls a good amount of the time. But there are holes in the O-zone that are letting more sun through and gradually increasing the earths AVERAGE YEARLY temperature. Not necessarily the temperature for a given week. Weather will still happen.

brad7686 wrote:As far as global warming goes, anybody who doesn't think it exists is either uneducated on the subject or else they are in denial because they don't want to revert to the old way of living, or close to it anyway. Weather is still going to happen. Its still gonna be cold as balls a good amount of the time. But there are holes in the O-zone that are letting more sun through and gradually increasing the earths AVERAGE YEARLY temperature. Not necessarily the temperature for a given week. Weather will still happen.

This post completely misses the debate, the question isn't if the earth has risen in temperature. The questions are:

- Is the trend long or short term? Not long ago we were being told the earth was entering a cooling phase and we know the earth goes through warming and cooling phases.

- Was warming caused by man? The sun is getting hotter and similar climate changes are taking place on Mars where there are no power plants or SUVs.

- Even if it is long term and caused by man, how much will the temperature rise and how long will it take?

Ironically, your post while saying those denying global warming are uneducated completely misses the actual debate. But I have two other questions for the left. The two biggest sources of "greenhouse gases" are power plants and automobiles. If you really believe global warming is the impending global catastrophy you say it is:

- How can you still hysterically protest zero emissions nuclear power banning new plants and wanting the existing plants to close when it is the only current technology that can satisfy a significant portion of our power needs and the alternative being built are the worst global warming option, coal power plants?

- How can you still hysterically object to gas even rising with the price of inflation (which is what it has done since the 70s) when the only real solution to cutting gas usage is higher prices to spur industry and consumers to seek alternatives?

The irony is that while the left is hysterical about global warming the left is the hysterical opponent to the two biggest solutions.

brad7686 wrote:But there are holes in the O-zone that are letting more sun through and gradually increasing the earths AVERAGE YEARLY temperature.

Um...actually the hole in the ozone is shrinking and has been projected to be gone by 2050 due to world focus on the issue. Some reading. You can also read a book called "The Weather Makers by Tim Flannery.

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006/26may_ozone.htm

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/09/ ... 63580.html

http://www.environment.gov.au/minister/ ... sep02.html

Kazoo, how many words per minute do you type? You consistently have the longest posts out of any on this website.

Anyway, I believe that global warming is an issue. That's why I most drive my focus except for when I want to burn some rubber. Then I drive my mustang. That is my contribution.

This post completely misses the debate

Well, yea, this post was about Fahrenheit 9/11, not An Inconvenient Truth.

ATV wrote:

This post completely misses the debate

Well, yea, this post was about Fahrenheit 9/11, not An Inconvenient Truth.

Um...My post addressed the post I quoted on global warming saying his point missed the debate on global warming which is not about whether the earth has warmed over the last century but whether that is long term and man made. That it has risen over that period is measurement, no one is disputing the measurements.

Now it is true the forum was on known liar Michael Moore rather then Al "I lost my marbles in 2000" Gore, but you used the point you quoted me on out of context.

Cappster wrote:Kazoo, how many words per minute do you type? You consistently have the longest posts out of any on this website.

Anyway, I believe that global warming is an issue. That's why I most drive my focus except for when I want to burn some rubber. Then I drive my mustang. That is my contribution.

Actually it's funny you say that because people actually comment on my typing speed sometimes walking past my office. I do IT consulting so I'm either working on the computer or writing presentations on the computer all the time. I just look at what I'm writing and think and it's there.

I am curious though, particularly since I am always the "con" side I try to defend my views. But you never answer my questions or address my points, which is why I'm hard on you when we're in smack.

We're not now and I'm just asking, don't you ever actually want to debate? I mean I know WHAT Democrats think. Over the last year or so I've read liberal books in addition to ones I agree with, like:

- The Weather Makers - Tim Flannery
- Bushwhacked - Molly Ivins
- Red, White and Liberal - Alan Colmes

The Weather Makers is a liberal on global warming. But you just keep telling me Democratic positions.

Part of my role as consultant is I always want to know WHY. That is far more interesting to me then WHAT. Doesn't WHY ever interest you? Though that is the issue I have with liberal books too, I read them to learn WHY and they seldom address that.

known liar Michael Moore

I guess because you write it makes it so? Do you have some sort of evidence that contradicts the youtube link? No?

ATV wrote:

known liar Michael Moore

I guess because you write it makes it so? Do you have some sort of evidence that contradicts the youtube link? No?

You make me wonder. Michael Moore's lies and slants have been well researched, documented and published. That he lied and slanted is beyond question. Even the left can't say he didn't because his lies were to specific, and he clearly intentionally took so many things out of context to mean something different then it did, like Peter Damon and the Marine Recruiters.

Now to the left I understand it doesn't matter because they think the underlying point was true. The problem is when you have truth on your side, you don't need to lie and slant and when you do it kills your credibility. The left would be disavowing his movies for that reason. If truth is on your side, DON'T LIE!!!!!

Though to my views it doesn't matter anyway since I blame both parties for Iraq and the middle east and one bashing the other and giving themselves a pass interests me not.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrenheit ... ontroversy

http://www.slate.com/id/2102723/

http://www.davekopel.com/Terror/Fiftysi ... it-911.htm

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

brad7686 wrote:As far as global warming goes, anybody who doesn't think it exists is either uneducated on the subject or else they are in denial because they don't want to revert to the old way of living, or close to it anyway. Weather is still going to happen. Its still gonna be cold as balls a good amount of the time. But there are holes in the O-zone that are letting more sun through and gradually increasing the earths AVERAGE YEARLY temperature. Not necessarily the temperature for a given week. Weather will still happen.

This post completely misses the debate, the question isn't if the earth has risen in temperature. The questions are:

- Is the trend long or short term? Not long ago we were being told the earth was entering a cooling phase and we know the earth goes through warming and cooling phases.

- Was warming caused by man? The sun is getting hotter and similar climate changes are taking place on Mars where there are no power plants or SUVs.

- Even if it is long term and caused by man, how much will the temperature rise and how long will it take?

Ironically, your post while saying those denying global warming are uneducated completely misses the actual debate. But I have two other questions for the left. The two biggest sources of "greenhouse gases" are power plants and automobiles. If you really believe global warming is the impending global catastrophy you say it is:

- How can you still hysterically protest zero emissions nuclear power banning new plants and wanting the existing plants to close when it is the only current technology that can satisfy a significant portion of our power needs and the alternative being built are the worst global warming option, coal power plants?

- How can you still hysterically object to gas even rising with the price of inflation (which is what it has done since the 70s) when the only real solution to cutting gas usage is higher prices to spur industry and consumers to seek alternatives?

The irony is that while the left is hysterical about global warming the left is the hysterical opponent to the two biggest solutions.

brad7686 wrote:But there are holes in the O-zone that are letting more sun through and gradually increasing the earths AVERAGE YEARLY temperature.

Um...actually the hole in the ozone is shrinking and has been projected to be gone by 2050 due to world focus on the issue. Some reading. You can also read a book called "The Weather Makers by Tim Flannery.

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2006/26may_ozone.htm

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/09/ ... 63580.html

http://www.environment.gov.au/minister/ ... sep02.html

Well i'm glad that it is getting better. I was just talking mostly to people that always say "It's cold, there can't be global warming" cuz that annoys me when i hear that. Its good to know that the ozone can recover if we do our part.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Cappster wrote:Kazoo, how many words per minute do you type? You consistently have the longest posts out of any on this website.

Anyway, I believe that global warming is an issue. That's why I most drive my focus except for when I want to burn some rubber. Then I drive my mustang. That is my contribution.

Actually it's funny you say that because people actually comment on my typing speed sometimes walking past my office. I do IT consulting so I'm either working on the computer or writing presentations on the computer all the time. I just look at what I'm writing and think and it's there.

I am curious though, particularly since I am always the "con" side I try to defend my views. But you never answer my questions or address my points, which is why I'm hard on you when we're in smack.

We're not now and I'm just asking, don't you ever actually want to debate? I mean I know WHAT Democrats think. Over the last year or so I've read liberal books in addition to ones I agree with, like:

- The Weather Makers - Tim Flannery
- Bushwhacked - Molly Ivins
- Red, White and Liberal - Alan Colmes

The Weather Makers is a liberal on global warming. But you just keep telling me Democratic positions.

Part of my role as consultant is I always want to know WHY. That is far more interesting to me then WHAT. Doesn't WHY ever interest you? Though that is the issue I have with liberal books too, I read them to learn WHY and they seldom address that.

I have learned to just give my opinion and not try and change someones mind while posting to a message board. People type what they wouldn't usually say to you in person. You also type to much sometimes and I don't feel like reading all of what you said. Kind of like when my g/f sends me emails that I read one sentence and delete it. Sometimes I will debate but usually debates go nowhere and are only good to get people upset. Watching you go back and forth with liberals on this message board is quite funny at times. It's like reading "hannity and colmes" instead of watching the show. Entertaining but doesn't really go anywhere as far as changing the other person's opinion.

Michael Moore's lies and slants have been well researched, documented and published.

What hasn't? Go ahead, big boy - let 'em rip. Let's take them one at a time, though. Post a link.

That he lied and slanted is beyond question.

Oh, so now it's slanted? Who isn't slanted? You're slanted. No, let's stick with the supposed lies.

If truth is on your side, DON'T LIE!!!!!

So you're trying to say that it takes one to know one?....

http://www.the-hogs.net/forum/viewtopic. ... &start=220

ATV wrote:What hasn't? Go ahead, big boy - let 'em rip. Let's take them one at a time, though. Post a link.

Um...I posted links.

You want a link to issues one at a time? I've made this request of you for your Bush bashing laundry lists of vague accusations against Bush from liberal blogs and you passed every time.

Michael Moore's just a brainless lying slob for whom the truth is what he gives it permission to be and no lie is too great to achieve his politically motivated points. He's not that interesting.

What would be is what do you think is the single strongest impeachable offense against Bush. I would think that would be a more interesting to you as well. And if you can stay on topic I will commit to not directly or indirectly insulting you.

Cappster wrote:Watching you go back and forth with liberals on this message board is quite funny at times. It's like reading "hannity and colmes" instead of watching the show. Entertaining but doesn't really go anywhere as far as changing the other person's opinion.

I don't expect to change anyone's mind. Do you think Hannity or Colmes think they will actually change anyone's mind? Actually my objective is the opposite, I am trying to get liberals to explain their views for my own understanding. Also by understanding their motivation it helps me hone my arguments.

The problem is that Republican views while moralistic tend to be clearer so at least you understand what they want and why even if you don't agree with it. Liberals are collectivists and so many views are driven by groupthink and validated just by the belief of other liberals and it's a lot harder to understand why they think what they do.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

Cappster wrote:Watching you go back and forth with liberals on this message board is quite funny at times. It's like reading "hannity and colmes" instead of watching the show. Entertaining but doesn't really go anywhere as far as changing the other person's opinion.

I don't expect to change anyone's mind. Do you think Hannity or Colmes think they will actually change anyone's mind? Actually my objective is the opposite, I am trying to get liberals to explain their views for my own understanding. Also by understanding their motivation it helps me hone my arguments.

The problem is that Republican views while moralistic tend to be clearer so at least you understand what they want and why even if you don't agree with it. Liberals are collectivists and so many views are driven by groupthink and validated just by the belief of other liberals and it's a lot harder to understand why they think what they do.

I have had conversations with people who say they vote democrat but can't really explain why they do. For instance, I used to work with some African Americans and they said they vote Democrat because Democrats are for minorities. I asked them to explain what the Democratic party has done for them and they couldn't give me an answer. You know I mentioned that Abe Lincoln was a Republican. They voted that way because they "were told" that was the case.

Another conversation I had with a liberal was "Democrats are for the poor". Again, I asked what exactly have they done for the poor? All they could say is "you had it a lot easier than inner city kids". They went on to say that inner city kids don't receive they same kind of education that I had (this coming from a teacher). I said If education is lacking in the city and you say you are a good teacher, why don't you go work in a D.C. school? She fumbled around the question. I already knew the answer which was she didn't want to leave a "safe" school in a cush neighborhood to go and teach in "fear" in a bad neighborhood.

I see the Democratic party as people who want to make excuses for someone else's actions. Always playing the blame game and not having individual's taking RESPONSIBILITY for their own actions. If a person is poor, it is up to the individual to dig themselves out of poverty. YES, it may be harder to do than someone in the "middle class" but it can be done. I am not saying they shouldn't have government assistance. I am saying they need to take the bull by the horns and work through it to better themselves.

I posted links.

Great. I posted this...."Let's take them one at a time, though.", i.e. - Choose something specific Moore claimed that you claim to be a lie. Else I'll just throw three lists back at you and that will be the end of the conversation.

Michael Moore's just a brainless lying slob

Oh, more personal attacks about someone you've never met. Anyhow, I thought that was your mother?

I am not saying they shouldn't have government assistance.

Then you don't hate liberal policies. You've been trained to hate and fear "liberals".

ATV wrote:

I posted links.

Great. I posted this...."Let's take them one at a time, though.", i.e. - Choose something specific Moore claimed that you claim to be a lie. Else I'll just throw three lists back at you and that will be the end of the conversation.

Michael Moore's just a brainless lying slob

Oh, more perosnal attacks about someone you've never met. Anyhow, I thought that was your mother?

I am not saying they shouldn't have government assistance.

Then you don't hate liberal policies. You've been trained to hate and fear "liberals".

Dude, you're so funny. You post endless laundry lists of accusations at Bush when I send one back on Michael Moore you write this whiny post.

You regularly post outrageous accusations against Bush and call him a liar, when I call liar Michael Moore a liar you write this whiny post.

ATV wrote:Anyhow, I thought that was your mother?

Wow, a post with a 10 year old playground insult, is this supposed to hurt my feelings?

And I'm not seeing smack anywhere on my screen right now. I'm addressing your posts and public people only.

I'm OK if the moderator wants to move this to smack, else follow the rules.

And I'm not debating Michael Moore because he's just boring and brain dead until you write one post ever that actually addresses what I said and/or provides actual content. I'm not debating by "that's not what Democrats think...." or "read this link and address it's point...."

Cappster wrote:I have had conversations with people who say they vote democrat but can't really explain why they do. For instance, I used to work with some African Americans and they said they vote Democrat because Democrats are for minorities. I asked them to explain what the Democratic party has done for them and they couldn't give me an answer. You know I mentioned that Abe Lincoln was a Republican. They voted that way because they "were told" that was the case.

Another conversation I had with a liberal was "Democrats are for the poor". Again, I asked what exactly have they done for the poor? All they could say is "you had it a lot easier than inner city kids". They went on to say that inner city kids don't receive they same kind of education that I had (this coming from a teacher). I said If education is lacking in the city and you say you are a good teacher, why don't you go work in a D.C. school? She fumbled around the question. I already knew the answer which was she didn't want to leave a "safe" school in a cush neighborhood to go and teach in "fear" in a bad neighborhood.

I see the Democratic party as people who want to make excuses for someone else's actions. Always playing the blame game and not having individual's taking RESPONSIBILITY for their own actions. If a person is poor, it is up to the individual to dig themselves out of poverty. YES, it may be harder to do than someone in the "middle class" but it can be done. I am not saying they shouldn't have government assistance. I am saying they need to take the bull by the horns and work through it to better themselves.

I totally agree with you, Cappster. We are getting at the same thing when I talk about liberalism being for the benefit of the liberals, not the people they harm throuth policies that are the equivalent of giving them ice cream for dinner.

I'm not debating Michael Moore because he's just boring and brain dead

"I won't discuss the actual issues or Michael Moore, but I will continue to juvenilely insult someone I've never met".

More of the same. Lie, deflect, call people names, avoid any real discussion. Typical Fox News/Backwoods government-fearing stuff. Yawwwn.

ATV wrote:

I'm not debating Michael Moore because he's just boring and brain dead

"I won't discuss the actual issues or Michael Moore, but I will continue to juvenilely insult someone I've never met".

More of the same. Lie, deflect, call people names, avoid any real discussion. Typical Fox News/Backwoods government-fearing stuff. Yawwwn.

So if you feel this way, why do you decline all my invitations to debate your endless posts on impeaching Bush? I have said I don't have interest in debate your laundry list liberal blog posts long on accusation and devoid of facts or interest in truth.

But I am offering for you to pick what you feel is the strongest impeachable offense and debate that. How is you pick a topic you obviously feel strongly about and you feel you can make a vigorous case for not a fair offer?

I'm offering you your choice of any Bush "offense." Can't you step up to that? Are you that afraid of me? I'm offering YOUR choice. YOU pick. Cmon, man up to it. I didn't even vote for Bush. I think he sucks as President. It's just that the only thing I think he's impeachable for is deepening our whole involvement in the Middle East and I blame both parties for that.

I'm offering you your choice of any Bush "offense." Can't you step up to that?

Fair enough - This forum or other?

Likewise, feel free to find your best example of Michael Moore lying (not "spinning") - Something that he hasn't admitted to or apologized for.

ATV wrote:

I'm offering you your choice of any Bush "offense." Can't you step up to that?

Fair enough - This forum or other?

Likewise, feel free to find your best example of Michael Moore lying (not "spinning") - Something that he hasn't admitted to or apologized for.

Your choice here or start a thread in smack, but it doesn't matter to me, I just want you to support a point and I'm looking to challenge you not smack you as long as you post content.

Remember our difference is that I think both parties should have leaders impeached over our reckless middle east policy becuase they had no constitutional authority to use our military to meddle in the middle east for cheap oil. You think Bush only should be impeached for his actions regarding Iraq.

So the only rule is you have to make it something Bush should be impeached and not Democrats or the discussion will not be on Bush's actions but the Democrats since that will be all we disagree on. So for example if you pick a topic on WMDs, I'm probably going to argue not that Bush shouldn't be impeached but both parties should be unless you can really make it something specific to Bush.

I'll try to look at Michael Moore, I stopped paying attention to him once his inability to even try to be the slightest bit accurate was clearly not there.