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I wanted to let you guys know that on Cold Pizza this morning, they said that Mark Brunell said that he and his agent are negotiating a contract extension for less money next season so that he can stay with the Redskins. Verrrrrry Interesting.

Better be a LOT less

Put a clause in the contract that gives him a bonus if he plays in LESS THAN 2 games.

ArizonaHOG wrote:Put a clause in the contract that gives him a bonus if he plays in LESS THAN 2 games.

I'd be glad to have him as backup but he has to not make starter money and not start, you have a good suggestion for that one.

As much as I hated Brunell as a starter, I value having him on the team. As far as a team player, everythime he has been pulled he has taken it with class and tried to help out whoever the QB was who replaced him (unlike Bledsoe in Dallas) Him redoing his contract proves how much of a team player he is. He is a team player and shows alot of class in tough situations, now just keep him OFF the field and we will be alright!

Sounds good to me. I'd rather go to Brunell than Collins if a backup is needed.

HALLELUJAH!!!

riggofan wrote:Sounds good to me. I'd rather go to Brunell than Collins if a backup is needed.

Brunell being on the bench will prompt Gibbs to put him back in during Campbell's first bad game. No telling how many games he will then lose for us before Gibbs takes him out.

crazyhorse1 wrote:

riggofan wrote:Sounds good to me. I'd rather go to Brunell than Collins if a backup is needed.

Brunell being on the bench will prompt Gibbs to put him back in during Campbell's first bad game. No telling how many games he will then lose for us before Gibbs takes him out.

Give me an example of that. Where Gibbs changed QBs and then put the old QB back in after the "first bad game."

He only has what, 16 years of coaching? I'm sure that is an easy example to come up with.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

crazyhorse1 wrote:

riggofan wrote:Sounds good to me. I'd rather go to Brunell than Collins if a backup is needed.

Brunell being on the bench will prompt Gibbs to put him back in during Campbell's first bad game. No telling how many games he will then lose for us before Gibbs takes him out.

Give me an example of that. Where Gibbs changed QBs and then put the old QB back in after the "first bad game."

He only has what, 16 years of coaching? I'm sure that is an easy example to come up with.

See Ramsey, Patrick.
Still, I don't think Gibbs will be as quick with the hook on JC. JC is Gibbs' guy, and I think Gibbs understands how much this will damage his confidence if Gibbs is quick to pull him.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

crazyhorse1 wrote:

riggofan wrote:Sounds good to me. I'd rather go to Brunell than Collins if a backup is needed.

Brunell being on the bench will prompt Gibbs to put him back in during Campbell's first bad game. No telling how many games he will then lose for us before Gibbs takes him out.

Give me an example of that. Where Gibbs changed QBs and then put the old QB back in after the "first bad game."

He only has what, 16 years of coaching? I'm sure that is an easy example to come up with.

PATRICK RAMSEY...First game of the season, first quarter when Ramsey got clotheslined by what should have been an illegal tackle.

aswas71788 wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

crazyhorse1 wrote:

riggofan wrote:Sounds good to me. I'd rather go to Brunell than Collins if a backup is needed.

Brunell being on the bench will prompt Gibbs to put him back in during Campbell's first bad game. No telling how many games he will then lose for us before Gibbs takes him out.

Give me an example of that. Where Gibbs changed QBs and then put the old QB back in after the "first bad game."

He only has what, 16 years of coaching? I'm sure that is an easy example to come up with.

PATRICK RAMSEY...First game of the season, first quarter when Ramsey got clotheslined by what should have been an illegal tackle.

That's not an example, he didn't play a bad game, he got hurt and, additionally, Gibbs never really had confidence in him

Fios wrote:

aswas71788 wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

crazyhorse1 wrote:

riggofan wrote:Sounds good to me. I'd rather go to Brunell than Collins if a backup is needed.

Brunell being on the bench will prompt Gibbs to put him back in during Campbell's first bad game. No telling how many games he will then lose for us before Gibbs takes him out.

Give me an example of that. Where Gibbs changed QBs and then put the old QB back in after the "first bad game."

He only has what, 16 years of coaching? I'm sure that is an easy example to come up with.

PATRICK RAMSEY...First game of the season, first quarter when Ramsey got clotheslined by what should have been an illegal tackle.

That's not an example, he didn't play a bad game, he got hurt and, additionally, Gibbs never really had confidence in him

a) He was ready to return to the Bears game, but Joe said 'Talk to the hand.' and

b) If he didn't have confidence in him, why name him the starter way back at the end of last season, then continue that charade through camp? Plus, who's to say that Joe has those same doubts about JC right now? Ramsey was reluctantly named the starter mid-year, as was JC. Ramsey was the confirmed starter at the end of the season, as was JC. I'm not saying that JC will be clotheslined in week one next year and yanked, but so far, Gibbs has shown about the same level of confidence in both Ramsey and JC (at least what I perceive from his comments on both).

I think you are looking at this in the wrong way. Gibbs was stuck with Ramsey. Gibbs went out of his way to get Campbell. Two very different situations. As for the two players, I don't think there is anyone here that felt as confident in Ramsey as we do right now in Campbell. Ramsey was always shaky and never made us feel stable.

Houligan26 wrote:I think you are looking at this in the wrong way. Gibbs was stuck with Ramsey. Gibbs went out of his way to get Campbell. Two very different situations. As for the two players, I don't think there is anyone here that felt as confident in Ramsey as we do right now in Campbell. Ramsey was always shaky and never made us feel stable.

Agreed. Campbell is a Gibbs pick, and I really think that Gibbs has some faith in him. Don't know why he named Ramsey the starter when he obviously never had that same faith in him, but that's in the past.

I'm fine with having Brunell as back-up. He can be a good influence on Campbell. If he's willing to be paid like a back-up, then let's keep him around.

joebagadonuts wrote:

Fios wrote:

aswas71788 wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

crazyhorse1 wrote:

riggofan wrote:Sounds good to me. I'd rather go to Brunell than Collins if a backup is needed.

Brunell being on the bench will prompt Gibbs to put him back in during Campbell's first bad game. No telling how many games he will then lose for us before Gibbs takes him out.

Give me an example of that. Where Gibbs changed QBs and then put the old QB back in after the "first bad game."

He only has what, 16 years of coaching? I'm sure that is an easy example to come up with.

PATRICK RAMSEY...First game of the season, first quarter when Ramsey got clotheslined by what should have been an illegal tackle.

That's not an example, he didn't play a bad game, he got hurt and, additionally, Gibbs never really had confidence in him

a) He was ready to return to the Bears game, but Joe said 'Talk to the hand.' and

b) If he didn't have confidence in him, why name him the starter way back at the end of last season, then continue that charade through camp? Plus, who's to say that Joe has those same doubts about JC right now? Ramsey was reluctantly named the starter mid-year, as was JC. Ramsey was the confirmed starter at the end of the season, as was JC. I'm not saying that JC will be clotheslined in week one next year and yanked, but so far, Gibbs has shown about the same level of confidence in both Ramsey and JC (at least what I perceive from his comments on both).

I agree with the posts above and, additionally, Gibbs admitted he mishandled the Ramsey situation. Plus he made the right choice, it's not as if he benched a star. And I think, again as said above, that the lengths to which Gibbs went to obtain Campbell demonstrate a different level of confidence. Additionally, I won't pretend to recall everything Gibbs said about Ramsey but he's most assuredly been more effusive abotu Campbel than he ever was about Ramsey.

That would be the best decision both the team and Brunell could make.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

crazyhorse1 wrote:

riggofan wrote:Sounds good to me. I'd rather go to Brunell than Collins if a backup is needed.

Brunell being on the bench will prompt Gibbs to put him back in during Campbell's first bad game. No telling how many games he will then lose for us before Gibbs takes him out.

Give me an example of that. Where Gibbs changed QBs and then put the old QB back in after the "first bad game."

He only has what, 16 years of coaching? I'm sure that is an easy example to come up with.

He did it to Ramsey after an OK quarter.

Fios wrote:

aswas71788 wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

crazyhorse1 wrote:

riggofan wrote:Sounds good to me. I'd rather go to Brunell than Collins if a backup is needed.

Brunell being on the bench will prompt Gibbs to put him back in during Campbell's first bad game. No telling how many games he will then lose for us before Gibbs takes him out.

Give me an example of that. Where Gibbs changed QBs and then put the old QB back in after the "first bad game."

He only has what, 16 years of coaching? I'm sure that is an easy example to come up with.

PATRICK RAMSEY...First game of the season, first quarter when Ramsey got clotheslined by what should have been an illegal tackle.

That's not an example, he didn't play a bad game, he got hurt and, additionally, Gibbs never really had confidence in him

He was momentarily hurt and ready to come back in. What's more, Brunell was terrible the rest of the game and continued to start the next Sunday as if he'd played well the Sunday before. Gibbs is as irrational about Brunell as Spurrier was about Danny Awful. D.S. letting Gibbs keep Brunell is flirting with disaster.

OK, I'll go this far: barring injury or consecutive (more than two) bad games from JC, Mark Brunell will NOT be the starter at any point next year. Also, your memory of Brunell's performance is somewhat selective, the team as a whole only managed to score 9 points that game, Brunell only threw 14 passes, completing 8. No touchdowns but no picks either.

I remember this time well. All preseason Ramsey had severely underthrown receivers who were wide open behind the defense. A few weeks later (after the clothesline) Brunell (in spite of all my other problems with him) did what Ransey couldn't seem to do - he hit Moss in stride twice when he was behind the defense.

I remember thinking before the season began that we were just decent quaterbacking away from being fairly dominant. I was hoping Gibbs would remove Ramsey and even secretly hoped for a not-too-severe injury which would give Gibbs the "excuse" he "needed." Then it actually happened.

I also remember Bram Weinstein (spell?) saying don't be surprised if Gibbs changes his mind about Ramsey after he (Bram) had witnessed all of training camp first hand.

We have clearly played like a mid-season Al Saunders offense with JC at the helm. We just need a little D.

DarthMonk

crazyhorse1 wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

crazyhorse1 wrote:

riggofan wrote:Sounds good to me. I'd rather go to Brunell than Collins if a backup is needed.

Brunell being on the bench will prompt Gibbs to put him back in during Campbell's first bad game. No telling how many games he will then lose for us before Gibbs takes him out.

Give me an example of that. Where Gibbs changed QBs and then put the old QB back in after the "first bad game."

He only has what, 16 years of coaching? I'm sure that is an easy example to come up with.

He did it to Ramsey after an OK quarter.

Um. Do I remember wrong? I thought he started the last 7 games of 2004 and the first game of 2005. That would be pulling him after 8 games.

Plus he would have had the offseason and pre-season to cement the job. I'm not seeing that as "benching him after one bad game" but giving him a boatload of opportunity to impress Gibbs and failing.

UK Skins Fan wrote:

Houligan26 wrote:I think you are looking at this in the wrong way. Gibbs was stuck with Ramsey. Gibbs went out of his way to get Campbell. Two very different situations. As for the two players, I don't think there is anyone here that felt as confident in Ramsey as we do right now in Campbell. Ramsey was always shaky and never made us feel stable.

Agreed. Campbell is a Gibbs pick, and I really think that Gibbs has some faith in him. Don't know why he named Ramsey the starter when he obviously never had that same faith in him, but that's in the past.

I'm fine with having Brunell as back-up. He can be a good influence on Campbell. If he's willing to be paid like a back-up, then let's keep him around.

Gibbs has no faith in Campbell. Campbell's stats last year were not up to
Ramsey's stats the year he took over for Brunell. Also, Gibbs was even more reluctant to give Campbell praise last year than he was to praise Ramsey' for the good year Ramsey enjoyed before he got pulled on a pretense. Too many of you guys got rolled on this quarterback B.S. by Gibbs before. He's like George Allen was at the end of his career: afraid to throw. The harder and further the ball is thrown, the more nerve-wracking the situation is for him. He has dreams of interceptions when he sleeps. He's through.

Fios wrote:

joebagadonuts wrote:

Fios wrote:

aswas71788 wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

crazyhorse1 wrote:

riggofan wrote:Sounds good to me. I'd rather go to Brunell than Collins if a backup is needed.

Brunell being on the bench will prompt Gibbs to put him back in during Campbell's first bad game. No telling how many games he will then lose for us before Gibbs takes him out.

Give me an example of that. Where Gibbs changed QBs and then put the old QB back in after the "first bad game."

He only has what, 16 years of coaching? I'm sure that is an easy example to come up with.

PATRICK RAMSEY...First game of the season, first quarter when Ramsey got clotheslined by what should have been an illegal tackle.

That's not an example, he didn't play a bad game, he got hurt and, additionally, Gibbs never really had confidence in him

a) He was ready to return to the Bears game, but Joe said 'Talk to the hand.' and

b) If he didn't have confidence in him, why name him the starter way back at the end of last season, then continue that charade through camp? Plus, who's to say that Joe has those same doubts about JC right now? Ramsey was reluctantly named the starter mid-year, as was JC. Ramsey was the confirmed starter at the end of the season, as was JC. I'm not saying that JC will be clotheslined in week one next year and yanked, but so far, Gibbs has shown about the same level of confidence in both Ramsey and JC (at least what I perceive from his comments on both).

I agree with the posts above and, additionally, Gibbs admitted he mishandled the Ramsey situation. Plus he made the right choice, it's not as if he benched a star. And I think, again as said above, that the lengths to which Gibbs went to obtain Campbell demonstrate a different level of confidence. Additionally, I won't pretend to recall everything Gibbs said about Ramsey but he's most assuredly been more effusive abotu Campbel than he ever was about Ramsey.

Actually, he was far more effusive about Ramsey, to Ramsey's face and to the press. What really stunned me last year was Gibbs' seeming lack of notice that Campbell was doing a great job.

Fios wrote:OK, I'll go this far: barring injury or consecutive (more than two) bad games from JC, Mark Brunell will NOT be the starter at any point next year. Also, your memory of Brunell's performance is somewhat selective, the team as a whole only managed to score 9 points that game, Brunell only threw 14 passes, completing 8. No touchdowns but no picks either.

Inspite of playing considerably less time than Brunell, Ramsey finished with more yards than did Brunell. He also threw for a TD, but it was called back for a penalty.