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Chris Luva Luva wrote:I've shared the same sentiments before. This franchise is being killed by Snyder. People hate him. No matter what anyone says, journalists hate him, the media hates him, and other owners hate him. He's mocked and ridiculed... People take their hatred for him out on the franchise. We've seen it in action.

Ok, I no longer live in the DC area and I don't get any local news from that area or any news on Snyder. Like that thing with him and the Wash Post, which I don't fully understand.

I would like to hear what some of you think is the reason Snyder is hated so much. If they hate him because of his flawed approaches to the Skins organization, then I don't understand why that would piss others off, besides Skins fans, of course. For example, if the Cowpokes were doing something to mess up their organization, I might laugh about it but it wouldn't piss me off.

Is it because he owns the highest valued NFL franchise?
Is it because he is a self made billionaire?
Is it because he is so rich, he thinks he can get whatever he wants, as he usually does?
Is it because he is now a part owner of Six Flags?
Is it because they are just jealous of his accomplishments outside of football?

I just don't get it. I understand why some Skins fans don't like him, but why everyone else? What do they have against him? Seriously, and not to start a fight, but just some thoughts on the matter.

BTW-if this is considered 'off topic', then I can start a new thread.

Dude, my heart has been hardened, dont pay me any mind.

This is a good topic of conversation. I think Snyder's 'off-season champs' reputation, mixed with some Redskins' organizational disrespect toward the media, have made him an easy target. Any owner who is prominent and resides over a bad franchise is going to attract disproportionate attention.

I've heard several times that Lenny P was mad because he had no advance warning of Gibbs' return to D.C.

Also, I believe Snyder is lumped in with the 'rich owner' group that is very difficult to deal with when the league officials get together to make agreements and rules for the next year(S). A lot of it has to do with revenue sharing schemes, salary caps, etc.

If Dan Snyder even enters the minds of those who pretend to consider Art Monk for admission into the Hall of Fame, then shame on them. Art Monk as a player or person has nothing to do with Dan Snyder, and I would hope that the voters would be mature enough to realize that. That they appear unable to separate one man from another only reflects what a joke the HOF is quickly becoming.

Geez, the Redskins have a losing season......a losing season when half of their starters go down on defense. The negativity starts.....and builds......and builds........and now its Snyder's fault that Art Monk didn't make the Hall of Fame!

Chill out a little!!!!

I'm pissed he didn't make it too, but gosh dang!!!

Redskins Rule wrote:Geez, the Redskins have a losing season......a losing season when half of their starters go down on defense. The negativity starts.....and builds......and builds........and now its Snyder's fault that Art Monk didn't make the Hall of Fame!

Chill out a little!!!!

I'm pissed he didn't make it too, but gosh dang!!!

I said the same thing last year, my thought has nothing to do with the season.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Redskins Rule wrote:Geez, the Redskins have a losing season......a losing season when half of their starters go down on defense. The negativity starts.....and builds......and builds........and now its Snyder's fault that Art Monk didn't make the Hall of Fame!

Chill out a little!!!!

I'm pissed he didn't make it too, but gosh dang!!!

I said the same thing last year, my thought has nothing to do with the season.

ohhhh, well then in that case I have to know.....Is it also Danny's fault that none of the Hogs have made it into the Hall of Fame?

Redskins Rule wrote:Geez, the Redskins have a losing season......a losing season when half of their starters go down on defense. The negativity starts.....and builds......and builds........and now its Snyder's fault that Art Monk didn't make the Hall of Fame!

Chill out a little!!!!

I'm pissed he didn't make it too, but gosh dang!!!

Even though I initially posed this question in the Art Monk HOF thread, I wasn't implying that it's Snyder's fault that Monk didn't get in. But if Snyder is so hated in the media, then the idea of "spite" is not fully out of the question.

I just hear so much negative stuff about Snyder that I wanted some feedback solely on the topic of why Snyder is hated by the media and others.

I'm not afraid to say that I actually like Snyder. I have a lot of respect for him and what he's done on a professional level. Having said that, I agree that some of the initial moves he made when he first purchased the team were not so great. But I do give him credit for trying and I honestly believe he is trying to do what's in the best interest of the team. I know it hasn't worked yet, but I still have faith.

Irn-Bru wrote:I've heard several times that Lenny P was mad because he had no advance warning of Gibbs' return to D.C.

Wow!

What a fat piece of... well you know what. I can't stand that guy. That's pretty childish on his part if that's true, and I tend to believe it is.

Redskins Rule wrote:

Chris Luva Luva wrote:

Redskins Rule wrote:Geez, the Redskins have a losing season......a losing season when half of their starters go down on defense. The negativity starts.....and builds......and builds........and now its Snyder's fault that Art Monk didn't make the Hall of Fame!

Chill out a little!!!!

I'm pissed he didn't make it too, but gosh dang!!!

I said the same thing last year, my thought has nothing to do with the season.

ohhhh, well then in that case I have to know.....Is it also Danny's fault that none of the Hogs have made it into the Hall of Fame?

I'm not pinning it all on him but it's a possibility that Monks hang up could have something to do with peoples hatred for Snyder. Some of the voters on there are known anti-skins folk, these same people blast Snyder at every turn. I didn't make this thread, ask the author.

Snyder has nothing to do with Monk not getting in. Snyder trys every year opens his wallet up to bring in whoever Gibbs asks to bring in. He is the best owner any fan could ever want. In no way is he responsible for the retard voters.

[quote]=["HEROHAMO"]He is the best owner any fan could ever want.[quote]


I have to disagree with that one. He don't make a good zit on Jack Kent Cooks azz.

HEROHAMO wrote:Snyder has nothing to do with Monk not getting in. Snyder trys every year opens his wallet up to bring in whoever Gibbs asks to bring in. He is the best owner any fan could ever want. In no way is he responsible for the retard voters.

There IS some sort of media disdain for the Skins and I am not sure why that is. I don't think it is totally Snyder or even mostly, but he certainly doesn't help.

I have been thinking about how the 80's Redskins don't get the respect that they deserve. A perfect example is the America's Game voting. That 91 Skins team was better than the 92 Cowboys in every way, except the Girls thrashed the Bills more in the SB, but Buffalo wasn't anywhere as good that year (didn't even win their division).

This lack of respect spills over on Monk. Those teams he played on were not flashy. No Jerks, No look at me type (well once Joey T left anyways), and Gibbs was exactly the same. Gibbs puts off this air to the media that he isn't really that smart, he just out works everyone else. Well that is how all of his players are seen. And that is killing Monk, Grimm, Jacoby, and Clark (Clarks #s are amost identicle to Irvins - exspecially if you add his USFL days).

The media looks at those teams as over acheivers whom just got lucky 3 times. The niners get way more respect. So does Walse! Walse won the exact same number of SBs as Gibbs, with Joe freakin Montana! How is walse better? If Gibbs had had Montana, Joe (both of them) would have needed both hands to wear all of their rings! Gibbs' QBs were average at best!

carolinakat wrote:

=["HEROHAMO"]He is the best owner any fan could ever want.

I have to disagree with that one. He don't make a good zit on Jack Kent Cooks azz.

Well he is willing to pay to bring in players. If you have a problem with Dan Snyder it cant be for a lack of effort. Jack Kent Cook was a great owner. I am talking about now. Does Jack Kent Cook own the team now? NO! There many other owners out there who arent willing to open there wallet up to bring in players. It could be worse imagine having Al Davis as an owner.

HEROHAMO wrote:

carolinakat wrote:

=["HEROHAMO"]He is the best owner any fan could ever want.

I have to disagree with that one. He don't make a good zit on Jack Kent Cooks azz.

It could be worse imagine having Al Davis as an owner.

True Dat, but IMO the smartest thing Snider has done since he's owned the team was get Joe Gibbs back. What I like about owners like Cook, Richerdson and some others, they paid their dues and work hard to build their super bowl teams. Snider trys to just buy it. Not that all and all thats a bad thing, because like you said, he is willing to pay and has the effort. IMO, Snider is like a spoild kid in a candy store throwing a fit because he wants it there and right now, Great teams don't work like that. Like I said JMO, I don't expect everyone to agree.

This "win now" formula has taken 5+ years....

We need to take our time.

CLL, in all fairness, has been very constant in his feelings towards Snyder. I am a Snyder supporter. I am not a huge fan but I do think we have an owner that is in the top 10. There are a lot worse owners out there.

Snyder is a very wealthy, young owner of a very visible/viable NFL franchise. Initially he made a lot of "rich kid" mistakes and it hurt our team for a long while. I think he Snyder has learned from his mistakes and while he has not endeared himself to some (especially the media) he did bring back Joe Gibbs and he has let Gibbs take over the Redskins football operation.

There is no way that the stupid HOF voters let any feelings for Snyder as a man influence their votes. The main reason we have no former Hogs or Monk in the HOF is because we have not been as dominant a franchise as we were. Part of the reason for that was because of Snyder (the owner) but that will be rectified when this team starts to play and becomes more like the team with an attitude that we used to have. The kind of team that was made up of players like Art Monk and so many other great players that will never be in the HOF but made our team so great to be a part of as a fan and as players.

None of this makes sense in reality but Monk not in the HOF is a huge omission. Speaking of not making sense, take a look at the pro-bowl - Tom Brady is one of the best AFC QBs and he is not there? LT was suspended and he is

BTW - Cooke was not that great an owner or a person according to a lot of people that knew him. We all were more caught up in the team's success at the time but from all accounts JKC was not exactly a really good character.

SkinsJock wrote:TW - Cooke was not that great an owner or a person according to a lot of people that knew him. We all were more caught up in the team's success at the time but from all accounts JKC was not exactly a really good character.

1st. I enjoyed your post. Im glad that you realize I'm consistent in my hatred. (i dont really hate him, a strong dislike is better)

I don't know much about Cooke. But how can you seperate the teams success from him? He as the owner has a huge factor in those wins IMO. Even if he is a hands off owner, he's placing the right people in the right position to win.

Please, correct me if I'm wrong.

You say Cooke wasn't a great person, or owner....... So why isn't Danny winning championships?

Chris Luva Luva wrote:
1st. I enjoyed your post. Im glad that you realize I'm consistent in my hatred. (i dont really hate him, a strong dislike is better)

I don't know much about Cooke. But how can you seperate the teams success from him? He as the owner has a huge factor in those wins IMO. Even if he is a hands off owner, he's placing the right people in the right position to win.

Please, correct me if I'm wrong.

You say Cooke wasn't a great person, or owner....... So why isn't Danny winning championships?

Sorry CLL - I do not think you are wrong, its just that from what I recall JKC was not a very nice person. That being said, I should not have implied that he was worse in any way than Snyder. I actually liked JKC and probably more than Snyder

Snyder as an owner will probably be looked at in a better light when the Skins return to dominance Snyder as a person in my opinion is wrongly perceived because of how he has treated the media which is our way of knowing anything about him.

Cooke was a successful owner because of how the team did and rightly so. Cooke as person was IMO portrayed as a "nice" person and in a favorable light by the media because of how he treated them and his rags to riches life story. I had heard that he was not really a nice person privately at all but that was probably the only journalist that did not get an exclusive or something from him. Probably someone who did not like the Lakers or the Coliseum



I think that the Redskins (and by extension, Snyder) will become a successful NFL franchise again (hopefully soon) but I do not think that will change many people's opinions about him

SkinsJock wrote:There is no way that the stupid HOF voters let any feelings for Snyder as a man influence their votes. The main reason we have no former Hogs or Monk in the HOF is because we have not been as dominant a franchise as we were.

I would agree with that if this year's HOF class didn't include players from the Browns, Cardinals, Lions, Bill, and Oilers. None of these teams have been exactly dominant recently. As a matter of fact, the Skins have two playoff games more recently than the Cowboys last playoff win.

http://czabe.com/daily/archives/2007/02/more_thoughts_o.html

Then, a few months later, Pasquarelli gets into a on-air fight with WTEM’s Doc Walker over whether the Redskins hire of Marty Schottenheimer was a good move. Len was crushing the hire, because – this is now well known among Redskins fans – that Len HATES everything Dan Snyder does. Now, look, I’m WITH him on a lot of these points, but even I did not say Marty was a bad hire. So Doc starts digging in with Len on the air, and when the interview is over, Len tells our producer – and I quote – don’t EVER call me again to be on that show, and tell Doc Walker to go *edit* himself.” Furthermore, do you remember when Len was PIMPING Jeff George for an NFL job after he washed out with the Skins? It was ABSURD. Every few weeks, Len would write about how “he’s still available!” It was a joke. I later found out, that there are family ties to George. Nice. Good journalism.