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Ok, I wanted to check with you guys and see what you thought of this guy. If you watched the Bears this season, Brian Urlacher had a down year, by his standards. But one guy stepped up and played for a contract. He's in a contract year and it doesn't appear that the Bears are going to resign him or put the franchise tag on him. So the question is, do the Redskins talk to Lance Briggs? Some will say, "If we can get him cheap then why not" but thats just not realistic. Do we bring in this big name FA?

My thoughts are "NO." Is he talented, yes. But we have shown that when you bring in big named players and pay big money.....they suck when they play for us. So I think that we should bring in a lesser named FA or draft a guy to play.

Lets hear your thoughts.

Heck no.

But there's a chance they will.

Chris Luva Luva wrote:Heck no.

We have many more needs pressing than OLB. And Briggs is going to be expensive.

I'm with you. Heck no. If we do go after an expensive LB, I hope it's Adalius Thomas.

Frankcal20 - I think the guy next to you in your avatar picture would not agree with the SKins signing LB.

no, I think we are set at oustide backer'...if any linebacker is brought in I hope it's a middle linebacker.

No.

Yes I know that I need a new avatar but I don't know how to make them.

Well, it wouldn't hurt to entertain the idea. Look at Phillip Daniels and Walt Harris coming from the Bears. They played pretty well for us. Walt didn't do to well his last year with us. But why not enterian the idea?

No, we don't need him, he'll disrupt the defensive team chemistry, and HE WON'T BE CHEAP.

Which means, he's probabably our FO's #1 FA.

oneman56 wrote:no, I think we are set at oustide backer'...if any linebacker is brought in I hope it's a middle linebacker.

yeah we are set at outside, i will like to get a middle linebacker to, but i believe Lance can play middle as well because he has great size, speed, and most important he is aggressive

jeremyroyce wrote:Well, it wouldn't hurt to entertain the idea. Look at Phillip Daniels and Walt Harris coming from the Bears. They played pretty well for us.

Warrick Holdman

I've said it before, I think there's no way he's leaving Chicago.

Jake wrote:I've said it before, I think there's no way he's leaving Chicago.

Kinda agree with you. They're 26 million under the cap, so they can either franchise him or just pony up the cash if they really want him.

air_hog wrote:No, we don't need him, he'll disrupt the defensive team chemistry, and HE WON'T BE CHEAP.

Which means, he's probabably our FO's #1 FA.

What front office?

so how much cap space do you guys have? i mean you are talking about signing Adalius Thomas or Lance Briggs (Briggs btw is not going to be released, the bears are gonna resign him). Thomas will be the most expensive FA this year. you guys are screwed when it comes to the cap, i really dont see you landing any big FAs. you better hope you can give a big contract to that #6 overall rookie, his contract is gonna be big.

have fun figuring out your cap, while the boys sit at 24.35 million before cutting Bledsoe (7.5).

bobbie brewskie wrote:so how much cap space do you guys have? i mean you are talking about signing Adalius Thomas or Lance Briggs (Briggs btw is not going to be released, the bears are gonna resign him). Thomas will be the most expensive FA this year. you guys are screwed when it comes to the cap, i really dont see you landing any big FAs. you better hope you can give a big contract to that #6 overall rookie, his contract is gonna be big.

have fun figuring out your cap, while the boys sit at 24.35 million before cutting Bledsoe (7.5).

Dude we were about 2-3M over the cap going into this past weekend. That's way more cap space than "the danny" needs, by the end of the month I expect we'll be 10-15 under

Finding cap space has never been a issue, it's what they do with the money that has some people worried.

bobbie brewskie wrote:so how much cap space do you guys have? i mean you are talking about signing Adalius Thomas or Lance Briggs (Briggs btw is not going to be released, the bears are gonna resign him). Thomas will be the most expensive FA this year. you guys are screwed when it comes to the cap, i really dont see you landing any big FAs. you better hope you can give a big contract to that #6 overall rookie, his contract is gonna be big.

have fun figuring out your cap, while the boys sit at 24.35 million before cutting Bledsoe (7.5).

I don't believe you Bobbie

1niksder wrote:Dude we were about 2-3M over the cap going into this past weekend. That's way more cap space than "the danny" needs, by the end of the month I expect we'll be 10-15 under

Finding cap space has never been a issue, it's what they do with the money that has some people worried.

so you guys need to clear up about 6 million just to be able to sign your rookies . . . well, the 3 that you will have. so ill say, you need to clear up 5 million just to get to 2 million under the cap. and how are you gonna be 10-15 under the cap by the end of this week? and i mean beign 10-15 under WITHOUT getting rid of starters.

dont think that players are just going to say "ok danny, im gonna take a 2 million dollar pay cut, especially since we are superbowl bound!"


and why dont you believe me unter?

bobbie brewskie wrote:

1niksder wrote:Dude we were about 2-3M over the cap going into this past weekend. That's way more cap space than "the danny" needs, by the end of the month I expect we'll be 10-15 under

Finding cap space has never been a issue, it's what they do with the money that has some people worried.

so you guys need to clear up about 6 million just to be able to sign your rookies . . . well, the 3 that you will have. so ill say, you need to clear up 5 million just to get to 2 million under the cap. and how are you gonna be 10-15 under the cap by the end of this week? and i mean beign 10-15 under WITHOUT getting rid of starters.

dont think that players are just going to say "ok danny, im gonna take a 2 million dollar pay cut, especially since we are superbowl bound!"


and why dont you believe me unter?

A bunch of players have high base salaries this year and next, they'll get those deals restuctured and push money into the future.
That's were the old saying " the Skins will be in cap hell in 2 years" evrey year and a have they'd reset the clock and cap hell was allways 2 years down the road. Hadn't heard it until you brought it up this year though. ESPN had a story saying the Skins would have to play with 20+ rookies in 2006. I don't think I've heard Salary Cap and Redskins used in the same segment on that network since free agency started last March

1niksder wrote:

bobbie brewskie wrote:

1niksder wrote:Dude we were about 2-3M over the cap going into this past weekend. That's way more cap space than "the danny" needs, by the end of the month I expect we'll be 10-15 under

Finding cap space has never been a issue, it's what they do with the money that has some people worried.

so you guys need to clear up about 6 million just to be able to sign your rookies . . . well, the 3 that you will have. so ill say, you need to clear up 5 million just to get to 2 million under the cap. and how are you gonna be 10-15 under the cap by the end of this week? and i mean beign 10-15 under WITHOUT getting rid of starters.

dont think that players are just going to say "ok danny, im gonna take a 2 million dollar pay cut, especially since we are superbowl bound!"


and why dont you believe me unter?

A bunch of players have high base salaries this year and next, they'll get those deals restuctured and push money into the future.
That's were the old saying " the Skins will be in cap hell in 2 years" evrey year and a have they'd reset the clock and cap hell was allways 2 years down the road. Hadn't heard it until you brought it up this year though. ESPN had a story saying the Skins would have to play with 20+ rookies in 2006. I don't think I've heard Salary Cap and Redskins used in the same segment on that network since free agency started last March

well, given that you only have 3 draft picks, 20 rookies is unreall .

you guys are gonna hit a wall sooner or later. what happens if a guy doesnt want to restructure his contract and you take a big hit? what happens when these guys restructure until they feel like retiring and then the 15 million that you guranteed them 5 years down the road has to be paid to them?

and can you really field a top-flight team with a bunch of FAs, Jason Campbell and Rocky Mcintosh?

bobbie brewskie wrote:

1niksder wrote:

bobbie brewskie wrote:

1niksder wrote:Dude we were about 2-3M over the cap going into this past weekend. That's way more cap space than "the danny" needs, by the end of the month I expect we'll be 10-15 under

Finding cap space has never been a issue, it's what they do with the money that has some people worried.

so you guys need to clear up about 6 million just to be able to sign your rookies . . . well, the 3 that you will have. so ill say, you need to clear up 5 million just to get to 2 million under the cap. and how are you gonna be 10-15 under the cap by the end of this week? and i mean beign 10-15 under WITHOUT getting rid of starters.

dont think that players are just going to say "ok danny, im gonna take a 2 million dollar pay cut, especially since we are superbowl bound!"


and why dont you believe me unter?

A bunch of players have high base salaries this year and next, they'll get those deals restuctured and push money into the future.
That's were the old saying " the Skins will be in cap hell in 2 years" evrey year and a have they'd reset the clock and cap hell was allways 2 years down the road. Hadn't heard it until you brought it up this year though. ESPN had a story saying the Skins would have to play with 20+ rookies in 2006. I don't think I've heard Salary Cap and Redskins used in the same segment on that network since free agency started last March

well, given that you only have 3 draft picks, 20 rookies is unreall .

you guys are gonna hit a wall sooner or later. what happens if a guy doesnt want to restructure his contract and you take a big hit? what happens when these guys restructure until they feel like retiring and then the 15 million that you guranteed them 5 years down the road has to be paid to them?

and can you really field a top-flight team with a bunch of FAs, Jason Campbell and Rocky Mcintosh?

Bobbie if they were going to hit a wall it would've happened a long time ago. Bobbie, do the cowboy fans not like you? Is that why your on this site?

unter13 wrote:Bobbie, do the cowboy fans not like you? Is that why your on this site?

He was invited... with sole purpose of given us a hard time

1niksder wrote:

unter13 wrote:Bobbie, do the cowboy fans not like you? Is that why your on this site?

He was invited... with sole purpose of given us a hard time

It looks like the Short Bus came early this year. Lucky us!

i just like messing with skins fans, saying outrageous stuff. especially about the cap, cuz you guys always squeeze by with the weirdest little tricks. im just having fun.

yea, the cowboys fans hate me, i come to men who wear womens clothes and pig snouts for support . . .

the short bus eh? sounds fun. pulp, can you direct me to the door since you are so familiar with it?

anyways, yall should stop by DCFU, talk some real football . . . you know? well, actually yall wouldnt know what real football is - you guys are still playing madden with Dan Snyder.

it must be fun being a skins fan though. i mean, every single year you guys get over the cap and then the fun begins and you guys see how far below the cap you can get and how many picks you can trade away. sounds like tons of fun!

alright fine though, i will stop being a smart-ass.

bobbie brewskie wrote:well, given that you only have 3 draft picks, 20 rookies is unreall .

That was last years prognostication, they are sitting this year out

bobbie brewskie wrote:you guys are gonna hit a wall sooner or later. what happens if a guy doesnt want to restructure his contract and you take a big hit?

The hit cap space is almost allways loced into the base salary (the Bonus is pro-rate equally over the years so it never changes). So you cut them and say the base which is always more than pro-rated bonus.

bobbie brewskie wrote:what happens when these guys restructure until they feel like retiring and then the 15 million that you guranteed them 5 years down the road has to be paid to them?

Again it's base versus pro-rated bonus and all the deals are back loaded

Look at Jansen he was due to count over $5 million this year, more than $4M of it was base (cutting him would have saved cap space. He took a pay cut but made more money. He was offered this years and next years salary plus about 2K as a signing bonus to re-work his deal, but his base is now the vet min. ($620K the next 2 years) He got $10 million that will be spread out over 5 years bringing this year cap hit down to about $2.8M or somewhere close.

That's the cap... in real terms Jansen could have played this year under his old deal and recieved a little over $4M with a raise coming next year (if he weren't cut) and a little over $5 next year if on the team. They gave him Ten Million now and will give him $670,000 each year for the next 2 years, I'm sure the base will jump in year 3 of the new deal. That's a raise and what player doesn't want that?

bobbie brewskie wrote:and can you really field a top-flight team with a bunch of FAs, Jason Campbell and Rocky Mcintosh?

Don't need to sign a bunch, just D Dock, and a few other spots.
We just need to figure out how to get "the Danny" to understand this isn't Fantasy fottball