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Ist draft should be best DE available. Not DT. Golston is solid. Adams my choice.

Ist FA should be CB Clements. Springs vulnerable and Rogers not reliable.

2nd FA should be best available MLB. Marshall and Rocky should contend for weakside. You know who should be released.


3rd round draft. Best available DT. Draft deep in DT's and Branch overrated. No reason to go for DT at No. 1.

Other rounds and FAs. Relentlessly seek best players at DT, MLB, CB.
Rehabilitate Archeleta by using him creatively-- as sack specialist, for instance. Don't expect pass coverage from a hitter. We forget how many tackles he made while still playing.

crazyhorse1 wrote: You know who should be released.

You mean Voldemort? I think he's a free agent. And I haven't heard much about the 'skins re-signing him. They're probably evaluating whether Rocky is ready to start, if they can't (or don't want to) find a MLB to replace Marshall.

crazyhorse1 wrote:Ist draft should be best DE available. Not DT. Golston is solid. Adams my choice.

Ist FA should be CB Clements. Springs vulnerable and Rogers not reliable.

2nd FA should be best available MLB. Marshall and Rocky should contend for weakside. You know who should be released.


3rd round draft. Best available DT. Draft deep in DT's and Branch overrated. No reason to go for DT at No. 1.

Other rounds and FAs. Relentlessly seek best players at DT, MLB, CB.
Rehabilitate Archeleta by using him creatively-- as sack specialist, for instance. Don't expect pass coverage from a hitter. We forget how many tackles he made while still playing.

I agree with round one, except take Anderson
FA acquistions sound good, but we don't have a 3rd rounder.

Nate Clements is a must sign in free agency! If we don't have him signed one minute after midnight I'm gonna cuss out Danny boy and throw something at my TV! Our secondary sucks! We set an NFL record for interceptions and we must address that need no matter the cost.

I have to agree with Crazyhorse about drafting a defensive end first. If Jamaal Anderson is gone we might want to trade down and see about picking up two of them.....with the hope that one of them will be good. We set a franchise record for sacks this year and that need must be addressed this year! Plus, our sacks/ pressure by defensive lineman has been horrendous for a long time now! And pressure by the lineman will help out our weak secondary too.

Middle linebacker I really don't see as a need. Yes, we could improve there, but I think our defense will be alright if we stay with marshall. In other words, I don't believe running backs will run wild on us if we just upgrade our defensive line and weak side linebacker. Marshall did fine just two years ago and he can do fine again.

I agree with Crazyhorse that we must look at depth for our linebacker position and lineman position in the later rounds of the draft. And of course the secondary position as well.

But I don't agree with "rehabing" Archuleta! That guy has been the worse signing of the Redskins since they brought in Deon Sanders! If we can't cut him Snyder needs to buy him a High Def TV so he won't miss any of the games!

Golston is solid but what's wrong with having 2 young DTs when 2 play at once? It's not like QB where you only start one at one time...

I say Branch is the biggest need. After him, Anderson or Adams, although I prefer Anderson. Adams is a bit undersized and we already have one undersized DE in Carter.

crazyhorse1 wrote:Ist draft should be best DE available. Not DT. Golston is solid. Adams my choice.

Ist FA should be CB Clements. Springs vulnerable and Rogers not reliable.

2nd FA should be best available MLB. Marshall and Rocky should contend for weakside. You know who should be released.


3rd round draft. Best available DT. Draft deep in DT's and Branch overrated. No reason to go for DT at No. 1.

Other rounds and FAs. Relentlessly seek best players at DT, MLB, CB.
Rehabilitate Archeleta by using him creatively-- as sack specialist, for instance. Don't expect pass coverage from a hitter. We forget how many tackles he made while still playing.

None of the DEs or Dts in the Draft are worth a 6 pick in the Draft. The player worthy of that is Calvin Johnson a true difference maker. A player of Calvins caliber will raise the level of play with all the players. We can address our Defensive needs with the rest of our picks. Adams was Ok he is no Julius Peppers. Also we should learn our lesson from past drafts it is rare to pick up a good defensive end in the draft it is way too much of a gamble. Calvin Johnson is the closest thing to a sure thing.

Rare to pick up a good defensive end in the draft? How else do they get into the NFL in the first place? The problem is that really good defensive ends are tough to find by any method - they're difficult to pick in the draft, and they're outrageously expensive if you want to sign somebody else's free agent. Either way, they're tough to get hold of.

Defensive line is the priority for this team, and I'm not too bothered about whether they go for end or tackle - just the biggest impact player they can find. Middle linebacker and cornerback are better dealt with through free agency.

After the first round of the draft, I wouldn't be surprised to see them pick up a quarterback and an offensive lineman, but I'll be happy if any of them make the roster regardless of position.

HEROHAMO wrote:

crazyhorse1 wrote:Ist draft should be best DE available. Not DT. Golston is solid. Adams my choice.

Ist FA should be CB Clements. Springs vulnerable and Rogers not reliable.

2nd FA should be best available MLB. Marshall and Rocky should contend for weakside. You know who should be released.


3rd round draft. Best available DT. Draft deep in DT's and Branch overrated. No reason to go for DT at No. 1.

Other rounds and FAs. Relentlessly seek best players at DT, MLB, CB.
Rehabilitate Archeleta by using him creatively-- as sack specialist, for instance. Don't expect pass coverage from a hitter. We forget how many tackles he made while still playing.

None of the DEs or Dts in the Draft are worth a 6 pick in the Draft. The player worthy of that is Calvin Johnson a true difference maker. A player of Calvins caliber will raise the level of play with all the players. We can address our Defensive needs with the rest of our picks. Adams was Ok he is no Julius Peppers. Also we should learn our lesson from past drafts it is rare to pick up a good defensive end in the draft it is way too much of a gamble. Calvin Johnson is the closest thing to a sure thing.

What good is Calvin Johnson if our Defense gives up 25 points/game?

UK Skins Fan wrote:After the first round of the draft, I wouldn't be surprised to see them pick up a quarterback and an offensive lineman, but I'll be happy if any of them make the roster regardless of position.

Making the team is usually not a problem. Staying with the team and making an impact after the first year or two has been the problem for the skins.

HEROHAMO wrote:

crazyhorse1 wrote:Ist draft should be best DE available. Not DT. Golston is solid. Adams my choice.

Ist FA should be CB Clements. Springs vulnerable and Rogers not reliable.

2nd FA should be best available MLB. Marshall and Rocky should contend for weakside. You know who should be released.


3rd round draft. Best available DT. Draft deep in DT's and Branch overrated. No reason to go for DT at No. 1.

Other rounds and FAs. Relentlessly seek best players at DT, MLB, CB.
Rehabilitate Archeleta by using him creatively-- as sack specialist, for instance. Don't expect pass coverage from a hitter. We forget how many tackles he made while still playing.

None of the DEs or Dts in the Draft are worth a 6 pick in the Draft. The player worthy of that is Calvin Johnson a true difference maker. A player of Calvins caliber will raise the level of play with all the players. We can address our Defensive needs with the rest of our picks. Adams was Ok he is no Julius Peppers. Also we should learn our lesson from past drafts it is rare to pick up a good defensive end in the draft it is way too much of a gamble. Calvin Johnson is the closest thing to a sure thing.

Geez Herohamo!!!! It seems like you have a hard on for Calvin Johnson or something! Why do you want a guy like that when we have no weakness at that spot? Last year I could understand, but this year! Heck no! Our number two's whether Lloyd or Randle El OR ey WERE getting open against single coverage! We didn't have that in the 2005 season, but we have that now! So why draft a guy at a position that you don't need? But above all WHY DRAFT A WIDE RECIEVER WHEN YOUR ENTIRE DEFENSE WAS RANKED LAST IN THE NFL AND SET AN ALL TIME NFL RECORD!!??!?!?!?! No offense, but you need to stop taking Calvin Johnson's Sports Illustrated picture into the bathroom with you!

Think for a second dude! Renaldo Wynn and Philip Daniels.....our two ends on the left are in there 30's.......and it showed this past season. They are very good ends, but they're age is showing. We need young blood at that position! Especially when we set a franchise record for sacks!

We have other positions of need to! And its all on the defensive side of the ball!

JPM36 wrote:Golston is solid but what's wrong with having 2 young DTs when 2 play at once? It's not like QB where you only start one at one time...

. . .that's why we have Montgomery.

Now don't start that again.

JansenFan wrote:Now don't start that again.

sorry . . .


It's just that Montgomery has become the 'invisible man' when we talk about our needs. Between Griffin, Salave'a, Golston, and Montgomery, I just don't see DT as that big of a deal for the Redskins.

Now, DE is where we might need some help, as well as LB and everywhere in our secondary. But DT shouldn't be our main concern.

I agree. I just couldn't resist.

I'd rather see another young offensive lineman brought in before another young defensive tackle. I'm not ready to annoint Montgomery the next Griffin, but I think that I have seen enough good things from him in limited action to think he will be a good player. It's too early to tell if he will be an impact player, but no one has a defense with ALL impact players.

Griffin is getting older and so is Salavea. They both tend to miss too much time with injuries.

Alan Branch is young and huge and very athletic. He would be my pick.

JPM36 wrote:Griffin is getting older and so is Salavea. They both tend to miss too much time with injuries.

Alan Branch is young and huge and very athletic. He would be my pick.

Or we could take a look at this guy and still trade down for more picks

sch1977 wrote:

HEROHAMO wrote:

crazyhorse1 wrote:Ist draft should be best DE available. Not DT. Golston is solid. Adams my choice.

Ist FA should be CB Clements. Springs vulnerable and Rogers not reliable.

2nd FA should be best available MLB. Marshall and Rocky should contend for weakside. You know who should be released.


3rd round draft. Best available DT. Draft deep in DT's and Branch overrated. No reason to go for DT at No. 1.

Other rounds and FAs. Relentlessly seek best players at DT, MLB, CB.
Rehabilitate Archeleta by using him creatively-- as sack specialist, for instance. Don't expect pass coverage from a hitter. We forget how many tackles he made while still playing.

None of the DEs or Dts in the Draft are worth a 6 pick in the Draft. The player worthy of that is Calvin Johnson a true difference maker. A player of Calvins caliber will raise the level of play with all the players. We can address our Defensive needs with the rest of our picks. Adams was Ok he is no Julius Peppers. Also we should learn our lesson from past drafts it is rare to pick up a good defensive end in the draft it is way too much of a gamble. Calvin Johnson is the closest thing to a sure thing.

What good is Calvin Johnson if our Defense gives up 25 points/game?

What good? Because the Skins will be scoring 45 a game with C.J.

Irn-Bru wrote:

JansenFan wrote:Now don't start that again.

sorry . . .


It's just that Montgomery has become the 'invisible man' when we talk about our needs. Between Griffin, Salave'a, Golston, and Montgomery, I just don't see DT as that big of a deal for the Redskins.

Now, DE is where we might need some help, as well as LB and everywhere in our secondary. But DT shouldn't be our main concern.

I've got to agree. To me, it breaks down to one question: Do you want Daniels replaced or Golston replaced?

I think that the first round is loaded with talent . I really don't see why we couldn't trade down and pick up two players. I think the kid from Nebraska is a good pick up and if you can trade down to say 12ish or whatever and get a 2nd round pick along with that, that would be perfect because there are quite a few guys that are 2nd round proj. CB's. Then we can also pick up a MLB in the 2nd. In one of the later rounds we could pick up Oline depth and another D end and a D Tackle. This is what I would do.

crazyhorse1 wrote:I've got to agree. To me, it breaks down to one question: Do you want Daniels replaced or Golston replaced?

Neither Golston is still developing so bring in a medium priced free agent like Sands to fit into a 3-4 man rotation (Montgomery would be the 4th man ). At the same time we have no youth or depth at DE other than the late blooming Carter. If we don't trade down (I hope we do) then DE would be the place to go. Anderson would be my choice at #6.

HEROHAMO wrote:

crazyhorse1 wrote:Ist draft should be best DE available. Not DT. Golston is solid. Adams my choice.

Ist FA should be CB Clements. Springs vulnerable and Rogers not reliable.

2nd FA should be best available MLB. Marshall and Rocky should contend for weakside. You know who should be released.


3rd round draft. Best available DT. Draft deep in DT's and Branch overrated. No reason to go for DT at No. 1.

Other rounds and FAs. Relentlessly seek best players at DT, MLB, CB.
Rehabilitate Archeleta by using him creatively-- as sack specialist, for instance. Don't expect pass coverage from a hitter. We forget how many tackles he made while still playing.

None of the DEs or Dts in the Draft are worth a 6 pick in the Draft. The player worthy of that is Calvin Johnson a true difference maker. A player of Calvins caliber will raise the level of play with all the players. We can address our Defensive needs with the rest of our picks. Adams was Ok he is no Julius Peppers. Also we should learn our lesson from past drafts it is rare to pick up a good defensive end in the draft it is way too much of a gamble. Calvin Johnson is the closest thing to a sure thing.

No WR, I don't care if he is Jerry Rice or TO (- the attitude), is worth the #6 spot. They just don't help a team that much. And of course WR is not a need for the Skins. Their needs are in this order:
- a pass rusher (DE or DT - it doesn't matter)
- CB
- CB
- Safety
- DL
- MLB
- depth at OL
- TE depth
- CB
- CB
- CB
- CB
AND CB!

1niksder wrote:

crazyhorse1 wrote:I've got to agree. To me, it breaks down to one question: Do you want Daniels replaced or Golston replaced?

Neither Golston is still developing so bring in a medium priced free agent like Sands to fit into a 3-4 man rotation (Montgomery would be the 4th man ). At the same time we have no youth or depth at DE other than the late blooming Carter. If we don't trade down (I hope we do) then DE would be the place to go. Anderson would be my choice at #6.

I think Terdel Sands won't be hitting the market. $4M upfront is rumored to have kept him a Raider with a $18M deal (4 years)

[quote="crazyhorse1"]Ist draft should be best DE available. Not DT. Golston is solid. Adams my choice.

Ist FA should be CB Clements. Springs vulnerable and Rogers not reliable.

2nd FA should be best available MLB. Marshall and Rocky should contend for weakside. You know who should be released.


3rd round draft. Best available DT. Draft deep in DT's and Branch overrated. No reason to go for DT at No. 1.

Other rounds and FAs. Relentlessly seek best players at DT, MLB, CB.
Rehabilitate Archeleta by using him creatively-- as sack specialist, for instance. Don't expect pass coverage from a hitter. We forget how many tackles he made while still playing.[/quote]

Did you just say we should get clements and not branch because he is overrated. There are few players in this league more overrated than Clements. He is a self promoter that leads everyone to believe he is good. This from espn Len Pasq:

CB Nate Clements (Buffalo): Some critics feel the former Ohio State star and 2001 first-rounder has been saving himself for free agency -- and the big payday he figures to pull in -- for the last two seasons, when his play has tailed off. But he has prototype size, runs well, and everyone is always looking for quality corners. After snatching 18 interceptions his first four years, Clements has just three pickoffs the past 1½ seasons. Clements is playing in 2006 on the one-year franchise qualifying offer, and the Bills have an agreement they won't use the marker to retain him beyond this year.

I don't want to throw a ton of money at a guy whose play has been tailing off and it might be due to a lack of effort. Frustrates me how high people are on this guy only because he is an FA and a desirable position

I expect the Redskins will try to trade down because there are several positions that need help. In the past JG has been very tight-lipped about his plans. Therefore, I would be surprised if the Redskins draft Adams. Being featured on The Redskins web site is not something you would expect JG to do if he really wanted him.

HEROHAMO wrote:

crazyhorse1 wrote:Ist draft should be best DE available. Not DT. Golston is solid. Adams my choice.

Ist FA should be CB Clements. Springs vulnerable and Rogers not reliable.

2nd FA should be best available MLB. Marshall and Rocky should contend for weakside. You know who should be released.


3rd round draft. Best available DT. Draft deep in DT's and Branch overrated. No reason to go for DT at No. 1.

Other rounds and FAs. Relentlessly seek best players at DT, MLB, CB.
Rehabilitate Archeleta by using him creatively-- as sack specialist, for instance. Don't expect pass coverage from a hitter. We forget how many tackles he made while still playing.

None of the DEs or Dts in the Draft are worth a 6 pick in the Draft. The player worthy of that is Calvin Johnson a true difference maker. A player of Calvins caliber will raise the level of play with all the players. We can address our Defensive needs with the rest of our picks. Adams was Ok he is no Julius Peppers. Also we should learn our lesson from past drafts it is rare to pick up a good defensive end in the draft it is way too much of a gamble. Calvin Johnson is the closest thing to a sure thing.

Are you insane? We have too many WR's. We don't have any pass rush. Its not like we can pick up a DE later in the draft....after our first pick we don't have another one until like #163!