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Eli Manning has gotten nothing but WORSE this year. last year he had a great season, with a little landslide near the end, but nontheless he got the job done most of the season. this season just seems like he has regressed, it could be because of his "cushion" receiver Amani Toomer is out but just one player cant be the cause of his horrible progress can it? I was actually really happy when the Giants got Eli from the Chargers because i knew that Phillip Rivers was going to be the far better QB looking at him in college (and i knew if the Giants got him then we'd have to face him twice a year ). Rivers had far better Accuracy, he put touch on his passes and he was a leader. the Chargers were lucky to get him.
the Giants on the other hand fell in love with Eli's last name, and the hype of having Peytons little brother. When its all said and done, do you think Eli was a bust? hes played horrible the entire second half of the season, i think he had like 60 yards against the Saints yesterday. what do you guys think? is he going through growing pains? will he ever make the expectations to be a "Great" QB?

I think hes just having some problems this year, kinda like we are, hell be fine next year.

His biggest problem is what's-his-name over there in Indy. It's hard to have your every pass dissected and then put to the "What would Peyton do"? test.
The biggest knock on Eli so far is that he shows no emotion whatsoever. "Easy Eli" is fine when you're winning games, but when your team is falling apart...you need to be able to light a fire. Look at that wreck of a football team (which sounds funny, coming from a Redskins fan, huh?) and you'll see that Manning is only part of the problem. They have myriad injuries on both sides of the ball. They have a surly #1 receiver who takes plays off and shows poor effort over the middle. They have a TE who can't keep his mouth shut, nor can he back up his trash talk. They have Arrington. They have a coach who got everybody whipped into a frenzy with his "5 minutes early" rules and micromanaging...and backed off as soon as he had nearly 100% compliance. They have, hands down, the most anal-retentive media in the sporting world.
Sure, Eli's a bust. On this team, Joe Montana might well be a bust, too.
Manning took the El-way out of San Diego. He'll be lucky to have half the career his counterpart in Denver did.

They made a huge mistake and Accorsi should be fired along with that beady-eyed coach. That switch around of picks has set this team back so far that I just think that group are not going to get over themselves for years.

this might sound lame but doesnt the name Phillip Rivers sound like a future HOF'er? its just something about it, "Rivers"

How’s that Eli Manning trade working out for them? The trade works out to be Manning for Phillip Rivers, Shawne Merriman, Nate Kaeding and Roman Oben. Pretty much everyone would take Rivers over Manning at this point and if you add in a complete beast in Merriman and a Pro Bowl kicker in Kaeding

The Gnats got hosed

1niksder wrote:

How’s that Eli Manning trade working out for them? The trade works out to be Manning for Phillip Rivers, Shawne Merriman, Nate Kaeding and Roman Oben. Pretty much everyone would take Rivers over Manning at this point and if you add in a complete beast in Merriman and a Pro Bowl kicker in Kaeding

The Gnats got hosed

Not only was that a hugely-bad trade, Eli will probably never live down the reason he was traded in the first place - he refused to play for them. Funny that they went to the playoffs the same year he demanded a draft-day trade because they were a 'bad' team, and they very well may go to the Super Bowl this year. Nice work, kiddo.

I disagree about the trade. I think because manning was almost thrown into the fire immediately after following Kurt Warner, he didn't really have a lot of time to sit back and learn the game by sitting on the bench. Looking at his rating from 2004, it was evident that he had little grasp on how to handle it, as it was a measly 55.4 with 6 touchdowns and 9 picks in 9 games. The next season, his first as a full-time starter, he increased his completion percentage by 10%, and also threw 7 more touchdowns than interceptions (24/17). He led the Giants to the playoffs behind Tiki Barber's 1800+ yard season. This season, his statistics show that he is doing his best career work, his completion percentage is near 60% and he's thrown only one less touchdown and one more interception than he did all of last year. The statistics are there for Eli Manning that show that he is managing the game well, but he is not winning games.

Phillip Rivers, on the other hand is winning games. But let's get real here, he's got the game's greatest back lining up behind him, LT, who has 31 touchdowns this season, the most in the NFL. Rivers has tossed 20 touchdowns and only 8 interceptions, but in 60 less attempts than manning. Manning has been charged with the responsibility of winning games for the Giants, Rivers has been charged with the responsibility of managing games for the Chargers, and letting workhorse LT do his record-setting thing. Also, Rivers had a chance to learn from one of the best in the business right now, Drew Brees, which meant he was able to sit on the bench and absorb the playbook instead of being forced to learn on the job, something which does not usually bode well for quarterbacks in the NFL.

Overall, I think we're close to seeing Eli Manning become a great pro quarterback, a serious concern for Redskins players and fans. Also, I think Rivers is on the brink of becoming a great quarterback, but he will play to the strength of the Chargers, and that is Ladainian Tomlinson. Both of these quarterbacks are good, but I think Eli is being criticized a bit too much since his last name is Manning.

skinsfano28 wrote:I disagree about the trade. I think because manning was almost thrown into the fire immediately after following Kurt Warner, he didn't really have a lot of time to sit back and learn the game by sitting on the bench.

That 'sitting on the bench learning' is way, way overrated. Most top-tier college teams are playing at near-pro levels, and their QBs are either ready to play in the pros, or they're not ever going to be. Look at Vince Young - he certainly hasn't needed a year to learn by riding the pine. And not to bring up Peyton too much, but he started from Day 1, and that certainly hasn't hurt his development. I think it's still too early to call Eli a bust, but he's rapidly heading in that direction.

Edit: And BTW, most of these guys, especially the Manning brothers, have been playing this game since they were little kids. This isn't rocket science or brain surgery. This is football. They don't need seasons on the bench to learn a game they've been playing more than half their lives.

I believe that its not overrated, and that the NFL is extremely different from college. I don't believe that Vince Young will continue to succeed by running all over the place, and will be called "a coach killer" just like Michael Vick if he doesn't learn how to pass the ball consistently.

Peyton is one of the exceptions to every situation, his work ethic is fantastic and he made himself that great, he didn't hold out, he didn't cry about being drafted. He was afforded the opportunity to start with players such as Marshall Faulk, Tarik Glenn, and Marvin Harrison. Those guys are all first round picks, and 2 out of the three will surely be in the hall of fame. Eli has been given a patchwork offensive line only one true solid wide receiver (Amani Toomer), and one that whines, (Plax). Also, Eli is more physically skilled (IMHO) than Peyton, but Peyton is more mentally skilled. I think once Eli gets his mental skills in shape, he'll be a solid NFL Qb and live up to the Manning name.

Just remember, this time last season, we were talking about Eli being the best QB to carry the Manning name. When he was drafted, we were talking about him being better than Peyton in 3 years. Let him develop, let him be. These "franchise guys" can be equivocated to children--some are ready to take the next step immediately, some need some work but eventually they get there. Then there's the Ryan Leafs of the world.

we shall see but I think this kid is way over-rated. he is not showing any of the traits that a good QB needs - this guy does not look like he can handle losing - he's looking like the spoilt brat some of us saw in college.

I do not know anyone who thought manning looked like he was going to make it. There was a lot of hype out of NY but that bunch all think their stuff doesn't stink - they all thought they were going to the Super Bowl after 6 weeks of this season and you could not tell them that the NFL season is 16 weeks.

If they go 1-7 for the last half - they need to do a major house cleaning and they better be thinking about a new QB

Bad coaching = bad QB.

You should remember Patrick Ramsey. He was a pretty good QB until he got shell shocked thanks to Steve Spurrier.

Besides, I feel that -any- QB that has one of the top defenses in the NFL playing plus somebody like Gates and Tomlinson will do GREAT. Brees would have done better actually!

The question is what would Rivers had done in NY with Coughlin and the Giants? Interestingly, IMHO not very different than Eli, perhaps even worse.

You guys give up on players too easily. If the Gnats are smart, they will keep him and let the out-coached guy at the helm go as soon as next week if they lose today.

Go Skins!

Not sure about a bust,but the first few games next year will tell us.Rivers i rate though even if he has a few shaky games.

I don't think that Eli is that bad a player. The expectations are very high of him. They were certainly raised after his post draft behaviour.

I do however think that Rivers is a better QB and the Chargers got much the better of the deal.

I do not think that Eli is that good a QB but the point really is not about whether he is any good or not. The Giants gave up way too much for someone who is just a decent QB at best. Accorsi and Coughlin deserve to be put away for this travesty.

I hope they keep both of them - they are losers.

You think Eli is bad now, wait until Tiki is gone...

If his name was Eli Smith, people would compare him to Gus Frerrote.

JansenFan wrote:If his name was Eli Smith, people would compare him to Gus Frerrote.

...and Eeyore.

(from Winnie The Pooh)

Redskin in Canada wrote:..The question is what would Rivers had done in NY with Coughlin and the Giants? Interestingly, IMHO not very different than Eli, perhaps even worse.

I think you're right about how well Rivers would have done and how Eli has progressed, especially considering his coach - they look like decent QBs BUT the giants gave up a lot for a QB who IMHO is just a decent QB.

We shall see - I think that they will make a coaching change soon because it appears they have a very big discipline problem, (we only have a frustration issue here) Accorsi has not done very well either.