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apparently, somehow i missed this quotation a couple days ago:

"Gave me a double move and kind of ran towards the middle of the field; can't do nothing about it," Rogers said (regarding the bomb to reggie brown that set up one of the eagles' TDs).



this is from the same moron who uttered the following about getting toasted by 74 year-old joey galloway in tampa last month:

"Going against the fastest guy in the league and running [cover-0] and you don't get there [with the blitz], there's nothing you can do about it," Rogers said. "The only thing I can do is line up and play the call that's being made and try to execute to the best of my ability. He's a fast guy, and there ain't too much I can do."

such comments are beyond appalling, and light-years beyond inexcusable. CUT THIS LOSER IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Typical 2006 Redskin.....making an excuse for horrendous play......another guy that doesnt take responsibility for his awful play.......what does he care? He still gets to pick up his mammoth paycheck on Tuesday so what does he care? Its pitiful. I wish they also would have asked him how come his new gloves didn;t help him learn how to intercept a ball right in his hands again......sure he would say the gloves weren't sticky enough. Hearing quotes like this is what really makes it hard to continue to live and die with this team.

yeah... i just can not believe a professional athlete would ever even consider uttering something like that. it's essentially an admission "no, i am not an NFL caliber cornerback." he makes it sound like being fast or using double moves are these mystical, completely unstoppable powers that no one can expect you to do anything about.

it reminds me a LOT of the ongoing "Cover 2 Excuse" we heard over and over earlier in the season. all the offense's woes, it seemed, were because defenses were using the magical Cover 2 defense. obviously, no offense could possibly be expected to perform well against the magical cover 2! it's completely impenetrable!

i think for the rest of my life, i am going to start blaming everything on Cover 2 and Double-Moves. if i am late to work, i will say "traffic was in a Cover 2 shell, nothing i can do about it". if i overdraft our bank account, i'll tell my wife "the salesman at the store gave me a double-move, nothing i can do about it".

"Gave me a double move and kind of ran towards the middle of the field; can't do nothing about it,"

Against Tampa Rogers was put in a tough spot and probably couldn't do much covering Galloway, but the comment after that game was stupid and showed a bad attitude. This second quote, however, is truely pathetic. A double move?? Covering Galloway against an all out blitz is hard to do, but a double move from Reggie Brown isn't something that an NFL caliber cb "can't do nothing about." GW and/or Gibbs need to sit this kid down and fix this attitude of his immediatly.

I haven't talked to many NFL players or coaches in my time but the few that I have talked to are worth listening to. A point that one player, now ex-player, made is that the talent level between a great player, a good player and a poor player is not much. The thing that separates them is the attitude of the player. Given the afore mentioned quotes displaying a "so what" attitude, it is obvious that Carlos Rogers will never be more than a journeyman corner back.

Maybe the guy just isn't very smart, isn't very articulate. The same sentiment in an intelligent player might come out this way: "Any defense we design is going to create potential opportunities for the defense, but also expose potential weaknesses. On every single play the offense is trying to find the weakness and we are trying to disguise what we hope will give us the best opportunity. It is a chess match. After the defense is called, all I can do is my best to try to execute. Sometimes I will beat my man. Sometimes he might beat me. As a cornerback you cannot let it get to you when you lose a battle and get beat. You have get back up and fight even harder the next time. I hope to win more than my share of the battles and never give up."

To me, that might have been what Carlos was trying to say. But who knows? He just doesn't strike me as being the most articulate. Maybe he needs a speech coach. Hahaha.

On the other hand, I am very impressed with Campbell and Betts. Now that they are getting a lot more playing time and a lot more media attention, they are speaking up a lot more. I must say that I am impressed by what they have had to say.

Yes, because we have so much depth at the corner position, cutting Carlos is clearly the best option

I just wanted to object and say that Carlos Rogers is no moron.

its not like we took him over Merriman or Ware so why worry about it.Like I said before we saw all we ever need to see from this kid in Seattle when dropped that pick in the Semi's.....Our season effectively died on his butterfingers. It will never be forgotton by this fan

MEZZSKIN wrote:Our season effectively died on his butterfingers.

Uhhh..not to nitpick, but, wouldn't it be more fitting to call him "Hands of Stone"?

Maybe if Spring wasn't hurt so much this year Carlos wouldn't have been in those positions! Carlos was never meant to be covering #1 WR's this year & he's doing the best he can. Do you guys expect him to stress out over getting beat a couple of times and lose his confidence??? Do you think Champ Bailey never got burned before??? You're acting like Galloway is a terrible WR cause he's not young!

This is the stupidest post I've read since I've been at THN!

die cowboys die wrote:"Going against the fastest guy in the league and running [cover-0] and you don't get there [with the blitz], there's nothing you can do about it," Rogers said. "The only thing I can do is line up and play the call that's being made and try to execute to the best of my ability. He's a fast guy, and there ain't too much I can do."

such comments are beyond appalling, and light-years beyond inexcusable. CUT THIS LOSER IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

First Rogger should never have said that, but it was true.

With no preasure, against that coverage, that play would have been a TD against almost every corner in the league. Tampa had the perfect call against a terrible call by GW. That TD was on GW. He is 100% to blame for that TD.

If you cut Roggers, who is going to replace him?

Are you one of those guys that is now saying the Skins were stupid for releasing Walt Harris. That gets me. This time last year you couldn't find a single fan or media member that thought Walt should be back. but now the Skins should have known better. These are the say group of people that think Tom Carter played poorly for the Skins in the mid-90s.

First Rogger should never have said that, but it was true.

With no preasure, against that coverage, that play would have been a TD against almost every corner in the league. Tampa had the perfect call against a terrible call by GW. That TD was on GW. He is 100% to blame for that TD.

I dont have as much of a problem with his post-Tampa Bay comments as I do with what he said following the Eagles game. Reggie Brown is an average NFL receiver, at best, and if Rogers cant do anything about a double move from Brown then he doesn't belong in the NFL. This isn't the type of attitude that you expect from a starting cb, let alone a guy that we wasted a top 10 pick on.

SkinzCanes wrote:

First Rogger should never have said that, but it was true.

With no preasure, against that coverage, that play would have been a TD against almost every corner in the league. Tampa had the perfect call against a terrible call by GW. That TD was on GW. He is 100% to blame for that TD.

I dont have as much of a problem with his post-Tampa Bay comments as I do with what he said following the Eagles game. Reggie Brown is an average NFL receiver, at best, and if Rogers cant do anything about a double move from Brown then he doesn't belong in the NFL. This isn't the type of attitude that you expect from a starting cb, let alone a guy that we wasted a top 10 pick on.

The Tampa Bay touchdown was truly not his fault; given the defense called and the route run, there was no way for him to make the pass--as had been explained by players, coaches, press, etc. The latest comment indicates to me (though not well expressed) that he was not supposed to cover the receiver, but turn over the coverage to another, if the receiver fan an inside route in that particular defense. I that is the case, the comment only shows that Rogers doesn't speak well, nothing else; if he didn't mean what I suggest he might have meant or there was some other limiting situation, then there's a problem. As for now, the jury is still out. Football is a team game. If the wrong sheme was called or there was a breakdown or someone else was support to pick up the receiver breaking over the middle, Rogers is off the hook, as far as I'm concerned.

The latest comment indicates to me (though not well expressed) that he was not supposed to cover the receiver, but turn over the coverage to another, if the receiver fan an inside route in that particular defense. I that is the case, the comment only shows that Rogers doesn't speak well, nothing else; if he didn't mean what I suggest he might have meant or there was some other limiting situation, then there's a problem. As for now, the jury is still out. Football is a team game. If the wrong sheme was called or there was a breakdown or someone else was support to pick up the receiver breaking over the middle, Rogers is off the hook, as far as I'm concerned.

His quote indicated that he was talking about himself and his coverage of Brown. If you look back at it he says "me" when referencing Brown's move and his inability to cover him.

I actually saw this play broken down on some ESPN show. It showed how Vernon Fox was supposed to pick up inside coverage, and didn't get over in time.

Oh, let's cut everybody. I tend not to judge the merits of a player based on some quotes in the media. I don't care what they say (well, within reason), but I do care how they play. But that doesn't necessarily amount to a strong defence of Carlos, does it?

ANT7088 wrote:This is the stupidest post I've read since I've been at THN!

LOL, You can't be serious?

well, if rogers WAS supposed to have safety help on the inside that he didn't get, perhaps he doesn't deserve to be cut outright, but his entire salary should be withheld until he learns to stop saying things like "not much i can do" or "can't do nothing about it".

as for the tampa blitz, i'm not quite sure i understand why he's given a free pass on that. yes, it's difficult to cover a person 1-on-1. but CBs successfully execute man coverage routinely in the NFL. at the very least, you should probably be able to stay within, oh, say, 5 or 6 yards of your receiver in such a situation- but rogers couldn't even stay that close.

Oh, let's cut everybody. I tend not to judge the merits of a player based on some quotes in the media. I don't care what they say (well, within reason), but I do care how they play. But that doesn't necessarily amount to a strong defence of Carlos, does it?

Unfortunately for Carlos, his performance on the field is even more pathetic than his comments.

DB's develop their skill.

The Redskins once had a CB named Green -- I forget the first name, but it began with a 'D', and he was a rookie many, many years ago. He was beaten often in his first four or five years, but he happened to be the fastest player in the NFL, so he usually could recover.

Then, his skills caught up with his speed, and it happened that the CB opposite him led the league in interceptions...no team was willing even to try trying on his side of the field.

As I said, it took time. People might have forgotten, but it took time.

A few thoughts here:

No denying it -- Rogers hasn't played as well as he did last year. Pick from the following "excuses:"

1) It isn't uncommon for athletes to have a drop off in the 2nd year, aka Sophmore jinx. By the way, he didn't start all 16 games last year;
2) Our front 7 hasn't impressed this year on the pass rush and there isn't a cb in the nfl that can cover for multiple seconds;
3) Springs has been out a bunch so Rogers has been our #1 CB, which is a tough assignment for a young guy;
4) He's played with two safeties this year that will not make the Hall of Fame based on their cover skills, AA and Fox. CBs rely on their safeties to help on deep passes;
5) He has a different CB coach this year.

I'd say, give the guy a break...he's young, no one on the defense has played well and I'd be hard pressed to blame our back 4 before our front 7.

trade him don't cut him, we can get something for him.

John Manfreda wrote:trade him don't cut him, we can get something for him.

A ham sandwich?

DB's develop their skill.

The Redskins once had a CB named Green -- I forget the first name, but it began with a 'D', and he was a rookie many, many years ago. He was beaten often in his first four or five years, but he happened to be the fastest player in the NFL, so he usually could recover.

Then, his skills caught up with his speed, and it happened that the CB opposite him led the league in interceptions...no team was willing even to try trying on his side of the field.

As I said, it took time. People might have forgotten, but it took time.

You're missing the BIG difference. Carlos doesn't have anywhere near the speed that DG had. Maybe Carlos' technique can be improved (cant be any worse than it is now) and maybe he can even learn to occasionaly catch an int, but his speed isn't going to change. Speed can't be taught and he lacks the speed to be a top corner. As a result he has to play off of receivers and the short pass is always there against him. Just watch how far off of receivers he lines up on 3rd and 5. On the few occasions that he plays up on the line he gets beat deep.

Sure you can say that the line hasn't gotten as much pressure as they should and safety help hasn't always been the best, but its not like he is just struggling a little right now. Other than the Panthers game, Rogers has been horrible in coverage.