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Let's put the blame where it belongs. On The Players...

Specifically...


1. Clinton Portis offensively it starts and ends with Clinton, So you broke your hand? Put a cast on it and let's go. See Jon Jansen.

2. Mark Brunell- the biggest thief this organization has ever encountered and that says alot as there have been many "thieves" roll through.

3. Casey Rabach- had no chance today, bullied, he was thrown around like a rag doll.

4. Derrick Dockery- run blocks we're impressive pass protection not so much.

5. Ladell Betts- Barry Sanders he is not. Good solid numbers out of solid runs but nothing spectacular, no break away runs...See Clinton Portis

6. Defense- Secondary needs overhaul, D-Line needs someone special, Nate Clements and Dwight Freeney might help.

7. Reed Doughty- HOW DO YOU NOT TAKE THAT TO THE HOUSE!? HOW!?


ps- Brunell didn't just steal our $$$ he took precious time almost 3 years, and completely ruined with his ability to hold Jibbs hostage through loyalty after saving his life in florida, any chance Patrick Ramsey might've had who we did spend a 1st round pick on I recall (thanks to the Ol Ball Coach) and he ruined this season, so Redskins fans we have no one to blame, outside of the above, but ourselves for going into this season with the "leader" being such an obvious has been.

How can you hold onto a football with a broken hand?


Your first comment was so stupid I didn't bother to read over the last 6.

How can you hold onto a football with a broken hand?




As I said...Put a cast on it and let's go, Tiki Barber does it look at his hands during a football game, they both might as well be broken with all the padding and tape around his hands, the fingers are not what protects the football its the arm wrist and body...whatever happened to old school grit and determination, rub some dirt on it.

Mark Brunell, biggest theif, I have to disagree, for this season yes he has, but I still think Tony Banks is the worst every theif of the Skins.

Hey Tony Banks played hard for us and actually had heart during Marty Ball, Brunell no heart...best thing I can say for MB was that 1 magical night in Dallas but it doesn't mean anything to do it just once...what does Joe preach...consistency, that's what Gibbs is consistent, when was the last time Joe didn't show up to work, or even came late, answer : never.

Gibbs4Life wrote:Hey Tony Banks played hard for us and actually had heart during Marty Ball, Brunell no heart...best thing I can say for MB was that 1 magical night in Dallas but it doesn't mean anything to do it just once...what does Joe preach...consistency, that's what Gibbs is consistent, when was the last time Joe didn't show up to work, or even came late, answer : never.

Tony Banks was so much worse than Brunell its not even funny, you cant compare those two ever.

Brunell last year was good, nobody can say he wasnt, Burnell played hard, and was an excellent QB, but somehow this year he dropped out of no where.

InsaneBoost wrote:
Brunell last year was good, nobody can say he wasnt, Burnell played hard, and was an excellent QB, but somehow this year he dropped out of no where.

wasn't

kind of like '04.........

InsaneBoost wrote:

Gibbs4Life wrote:Hey Tony Banks played hard for us and actually had heart during Marty Ball, Brunell no heart...best thing I can say for MB was that 1 magical night in Dallas but it doesn't mean anything to do it just once...what does Joe preach...consistency, that's what Gibbs is consistent, when was the last time Joe didn't show up to work, or even came late, answer : never.

Tony Banks was so much worse than Brunell its not even funny, you cant compare those two ever.

Brunell last year was good, nobody can say he wasnt, Burnell played hard, and was an excellent QB, but somehow this year he dropped out of no where.

dude, wow.

mark brunell played about 8 or 9 good games for the redskins in what, 35 starts or so? this argument has been over for a long time. try to catch up.

Gibbs4Life wrote:Let's put the blame where it belongs. On The Players...

Specifically...


1. Clinton Portis offensively it starts and ends with Clinton, So you broke your hand? Put a cast on it and let's go. See Jon Jansen.

2. Mark Brunell- the biggest thief this organization has ever encountered and that says alot as there have been many "thieves" roll through.

3. Casey Rabach- had no chance today, bullied, he was thrown around like a rag doll.

4. Derrick Dockery- run blocks we're impressive pass protection not so much.

5. Ladell Betts- Barry Sanders he is not. Good solid numbers out of solid runs but nothing spectacular, no break away runs...See Clinton Portis

6. Defense- Secondary needs overhaul, D-Line needs someone special, Nate Clements and Dwight Freeney might help.

7. Reed Doughty- HOW DO YOU NOT TAKE THAT TO THE HOUSE!? HOW!?


ps- Brunell didn't just steal our $$$ he took precious time almost 3 years, and completely ruined with his ability to hold Jibbs hostage through loyalty after saving his life in florida, any chance Patrick Ramsey might've had who we did spend a 1st round pick on I recall (thanks to the Ol Ball Coach) and he ruined this season, so Redskins fans we have no one to blame, outside of the above, but ourselves for going into this season with the "leader" being such an obvious has been.

dude, the game management has been astronomically abysmal since gibbs returned in '04. we all assumed he was rusty and it would get better, but it has instead gotten significantly worse every year, to the point where it's no longer clear if the coaches are actually watching the game, or have rented out one of those "Kangaroo TV" things and are following other contests around the league.

the bottom line is, the QB decisions, the personnel decisions, the game management, they all start and stop with gibbs, and he has committed a staggering gamut of colossal blunders with all of them.

the #1 problem with this team is Joe Gibbs.

InsaneBoost wrote:Mark Brunell, biggest theif, I have to disagree, for this season yes he has, but I still think Tony Banks is the worst every theif of the Skins.

Didn't Tony Banks have a winning record after Marty put him in there (post Jeff George)? Come on man....the guy had one audible and still went 8-6 .......that ain't stealing nothing. Brunell was awful from day one, we won last yr despite his old ass and he GOT PAID. I can only imagine Banks made the vet minimum.

die cowboys die wrote:

Gibbs4Life wrote:Let's put the blame where it belongs. On The Players...

Specifically...


1. Clinton Portis offensively it starts and ends with Clinton, So you broke your hand? Put a cast on it and let's go. See Jon Jansen.

2. Mark Brunell- the biggest thief this organization has ever encountered and that says alot as there have been many "thieves" roll through.

3. Casey Rabach- had no chance today, bullied, he was thrown around like a rag doll.

4. Derrick Dockery- run blocks we're impressive pass protection not so much.

5. Ladell Betts- Barry Sanders he is not. Good solid numbers out of solid runs but nothing spectacular, no break away runs...See Clinton Portis

6. Defense- Secondary needs overhaul, D-Line needs someone special, Nate Clements and Dwight Freeney might help.

7. Reed Doughty- HOW DO YOU NOT TAKE THAT TO THE HOUSE!? HOW!?


ps- Brunell didn't just steal our $$$ he took precious time almost 3 years, and completely ruined with his ability to hold Jibbs hostage through loyalty after saving his life in florida, any chance Patrick Ramsey might've had who we did spend a 1st round pick on I recall (thanks to the Ol Ball Coach) and he ruined this season, so Redskins fans we have no one to blame, outside of the above, but ourselves for going into this season with the "leader" being such an obvious has been.

dude, the game management has been astronomically abysmal since gibbs returned in '04. we all assumed he was rusty and it would get better, but it has instead gotten significantly worse every year, to the point where it's no longer clear if the coaches are actually watching the game, or have rented out one of those "Kangaroo TV" things and are following other contests around the league.

the bottom line is, the QB decisions, the personnel decisions, the game management, they all start and stop with gibbs, and he has committed a staggering gamut of colossal blunders with all of them.

the #1 problem with this team is Joe Gibbs.

As much as it pains me to say it, i agree 100%.

Dan Snyder!!

DEHog wrote:Dan Snyder!!

I'm really confused when people say it's Snyder's fault. Did Dan miss all those tackles or throw any interceptions? Does Dan draw up the game plans each week?

Every time Dan has paid a free agent to join the organization, everyone initially considers it to be a great move. Then, when the team struggles, it's "Dan's an idiot" and all his fault. I don't buy it. I'm actually happy that our owner is willing to spend his own money in a genuine effort to better the team.

Building a team through the draft does not always pay dividends either. Take the Cards or the Bucs for example. People down here are calling for Grudens head. The Bidwells in Phoenix used to never spend any money on their team in free agency and the fans there threatened to commit a drive-by on the Bidwells on a daily basis. I know because I lived there for a period of time.

Since Gibbs took over, ALL signings were made on the recommendation of the coaching staff, NOT Snyder. Be happy that he is at least willing to open his check book. I am.

JPM36 wrote:How can you hold onto a football with a broken hand?


Your first comment was so stupid I didn't bother to read over the last 6.

I wish I could say the same - these ideas are totally inane.

SkinsFreak wrote:

DEHog wrote:Dan Snyder!!

I'm really confused when people say it's Snyder's fault. Did Dan miss all those tackles or throw any interceptions? Does Dan draw up the game plans each week?

Every time Dan has paid a free agent to join the organization, everyone initially considers it to be a great move. Then, when the team struggles, it's "Dan's an idiot" and all his fault. I don't buy it. I'm actually happy that our owner is willing to spend his own money in a genuine effort to better the team.

Building a team through the draft does not always pay dividends either. Take the Cards or the Bucs for example. People down here are calling for Grudens head. The Bidwells in Phoenix used to never spend any money on their team in free agency and the fans there threatened to commit a drive-by on the Bidwells on a daily basis. I know because I lived there for a period of time.

Since Gibbs took over, ALL signings were made on the recommendation of the coaching staff, NOT Snyder. Be happy that he is at least willing to open his check book. I am.

Whoop, there it is!!!!!!

Great post.....

I put all blame on the coaching staff, all of them, Everyteam encounters problems through out a season, injuries, other teams schemes, and for some reason our "Hall of Fame staff" coulnt over come any of it. The D got way worse than ive seen in many years, the playcalling sucked, appartley the OC has and 800 page playbook, I think he only turned about 10 pages of it, we definatly didnt look like the KC Chiefs over tthe last couple years, well maybe defencivly we mimiced the Cheifs.

Clinton having an injury plaged season, but Betts showed countless times he can handle the work load, and I think alot of team are noticing this, as a free agent goodbye Ladell. We picked up a bruiser in Duckett, but dont really use him until week 12? gimme a break.

This whole season in my mind is on the head of the coaching staff. I love Joe Gibbs, his football style is how my interest in the Skins began back in 82, but this isnt the Hall of Fame Coach, he gave it a good effort his first 2 years but I do question his effort in his 3rd year. I hope the staff can become accountable and step down, so we can start over here in DC AGAIN.

Man, Ladell Betts ran his butt off yesterday. It is idiotic to suggest that he is part of the problem. Portis has had multiple shoulder injuries and then he broke his hand. That's not his fault.

The Skins offered virtually no pass protection, and even though Campbell is 6'4", his passes keep getting batted down because he winds up like a pitcher. We were lucky that he played two decent games before yesterday's terrible outing. Remember, Carolina didn't blitz hardly at all last week. The Eagles will certainly be blitzing early and often next week. I'm just glad he can get the experience now, rather than waiting until next year.

To me, Saunders is the primary problem. Why on earth does he keep calling reverses and end arounds? We had stopped them on 4th down at midfield, and they couldn't stop our pounding running game. We took a shot down field, which I could understand. But then the genious calls an end around run that went nowhere. As soon as that happened, I had a bad feeling that the game would turn, and it did.

SkinsFreak wrote:Be happy that he is at least willing to open his check book. I am.

But he opens it too wide and this organization has serious trouble in identifying what players will solve their problems and identifying the rational market value for said players.

And that's a two-headed problem -- they over-value other team's FAs and under-value their own (thinking Clark wouldn't be able to draw $1M per and offering him $750K, take-or-leave).

If you are going to place blame, place it where it belongs....on the coaching staff. Personnel decisions have been terrible. How people are treated has a direct impact on how they perform.

Joe Gibbs legacy this time around will be for the dealings with Redskins players. It will be bad. Look at what his staff has done to the Redskin personnel, yanking Ramsey like he did, not treating the "core" Redskin players that stepped up in the 1st year fairly, the way they dealt with Arrington, pouting coaches, poor acquisitions from FA and the excessive money paid to them, loyalty to poor performance, bad play calling (both offense and defense), the treatment of Achuleta and Duckett, etc., etc., etc.

I am not saying that some of the outcomes of some of the players incidents were not justified but the manner in which Gibbs and company dealt with the situation has been close to infantile. No wonder the players are not doing very well, they are to busy watching their back.

Personally I really like Dan. I like that we have a owner that will spend the money ala Jerry Jones.

I am a Orioles fan, and I am stuck with the worst owner in Baseball. This guy throws crappy offers to the big names, knowing someone else will offer them a better contract. Then he says "We tried". To make matters worst he signs guys out of their prime to try to fill seats like Sammy Sosa. What a joke!

But the con of the money spending has turned the Redskins into the franchise that has been known to harbor players that think they are Kings and treat them just like that. We have made the playoffs three times since we won the SB in the 91 season. But we are still getting the big names to sign. Thats because they are cuddled no matter how they play.

That does not work.

We should start to take away all of the luxury for every loss.

Do you think Riggo, Theismann, the Hogs, the Posse and any other Redskin of the past cared more about the ability to hook up their Xbox and the Ipod to their locker?

I am all for signing some of these free agents. But we should also concider promoting from within. Sometimes raw talent won't get it done. Teamates having a bond, play better than a bunch of overpaid free agents with no chemistry.

RedskinsFreak wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:Be happy that he is at least willing to open his check book. I am.

But he opens it too wide and this organization has serious trouble in identifying what players will solve their problems and identifying the rational market value for said players.

Agreed. But the "identification" of those said players, brought in to solve their problems, is not made by Snyder. That's all I'm saying. Blaming Snyder and making him the scapegoat, in my opinion, is merely a convenience.

How far he opens his wallet is entirely up to him, it's his money and his team, right? Many of these players will never see all that money because the contracts are back-end loaded. So if Dan wants to throw a huge signing bonus at a player, who could "potentially" solve a problem, who cares. And further, these guys were proven players at one time. Players selected in the draft are not proven, like Mike Williams for example. No one has a crystal ball or can see the future. But I agree with you that certain players should have never been let go, like Ryan Clark.

Now, with that said, I'm not a capologist and have no clue as to how the organization continues to spend money and NEVER ends up in "cap hell" as every expert suggests.

My point about Snyder is this. Take Wayne Huizenga, owner of the Dolphins, for example. Much like Dan, he charges huge prices to fans for everything. Yet he never takes the money he generates off the team and re-invests it back into the team; stadium, facilities, equipment, players, coaches, etc. He takes all that money and simply puts it in his pocket. I don't care for that kind of management, and neither do many of the fans. Dan at least pads his pockets from other business ventures and spends the revenues made from the Redskins, on the Redskins.

There are many variables as to why the team is struggling, not one person or one thing. Dan is not the reason as to why the Redskins lose games on the field. Has the team made some mistakes as to FA's they've brought in and let go? Yes, I certianly agree with you.

Gibbs4Life wrote:Let's put the blame where it belongs. On The Players...

Specifically...


1. Clinton Portis offensively it starts and ends with Clinton, So you broke your hand? Put a cast on it and let's go. See Jon Jansen.

2. Mark Brunell- the biggest thief this organization has ever encountered and that says alot as there have been many "thieves" roll through.

3. Casey Rabach- had no chance today, bullied, he was thrown around like a rag doll.

4. Derrick Dockery- run blocks we're impressive pass protection not so much.

5. Ladell Betts- Barry Sanders he is not. Good solid numbers out of solid runs but nothing spectacular, no break away runs...See Clinton Portis

6. Defense- Secondary needs overhaul, D-Line needs someone special, Nate Clements and Dwight Freeney might help.

7. Reed Doughty- HOW DO YOU NOT TAKE THAT TO THE HOUSE!? HOW!?


ps- Brunell didn't just steal our $$$ he took precious time almost 3 years, and completely ruined with his ability to hold Jibbs hostage through loyalty after saving his life in florida, any chance Patrick Ramsey might've had who we did spend a 1st round pick on I recall (thanks to the Ol Ball Coach) and he ruined this season, so Redskins fans we have no one to blame, outside of the above, but ourselves for going into this season with the "leader" being such an obvious has been.

This goes on my "Top Five Worst Ever Posts" of Fame.

It's all my fault. Blame me. I hate myself. Oh misery...

WHAT PART OF MY POST IS INACCURATE?

Saunders might also be the reason Gregg Williams has become so hostile and arrogant; another rooster in the hen house. I don't remember Williams ever being this way before Saunders got here. Williams might feel threatened by Saunders because Saunders could get the head coaching position after Gibbs steps down. Most of us here thought that maybe Snyder had already quietly offered that job to Williams, after having two great years. Then, Saunders arrives.

So, maybe you kill two birds with one stone. Fix both the offense and the defense at the same time, with one move. That move being Saunders getting the boot, or accepting a head coaching position elsewhere. And maybe Gibbs already knows this, but really can't do anything about it until the season is over.

I agree with you that this "offensive genius" doesn't really scheme an offense that looks that genius. Now that I think about it, after what I've seen so far this year, I too liked Gibbs' offense better.

Since the other thread was locked, I wanted to bring this here to this thread. I was hoping to get some feedback about this from the rest of you.

I actually thought Williams was doing just fine before Saunders got here. I know there is some debate about which guy should leave, but I actually like having Williams on the staff. His defensive scheme has worked here as well as Tennessee and Buffalo. Saunders success was basically with only one team.

If Williams were to leave, I'm not sure who could replace him.

And any notion of replacing Gibbs, in my opinion, is utterly absurd. At this time, he is the right guy to lead this team.