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I think that betts and duckett can get it done. Betts runs hard and has great vision. He also allows blocks to be set up. Running on the panthers isn't easy, but he did pretty well. I'd like to get a Premium D-end (if we don't finish badly enough to get Gaines Adams) or a shutdown corner and maybe like a 2nd or 3rd pick for him. He is injury prone and has great value, it is really a no brainer.

Betts and Duckett are only here this year unless the get a contract extension. As for our 1st round pick, there are certain conditions that won't allow that to happen. One being that Adams will probably go in the top 10. We are probably going to win out, and lastly, we have an issue with Denver about flopping our 1st round picks depending on who finishes better or something like that.

As much as I don't mind the idea, Its just not reality. I've been wondering if Portis was the "Unnamed Player" in the ESPN Article. Sometimes he just seems to be a bit selfish when he isn't getting the attention but who knows.

brad7686 wrote:I think that betts and duckett can get it done. Betts runs hard and has great vision. He also allows blocks to be set up. Running on the panthers isn't easy, but he did pretty well. I'd like to get a Premium D-end (if we don't finish badly enough to get Gaines Adams) or a shutdown corner and maybe like a 2nd or 3rd pick for him. He is injury prone and has great value, it is really a no brainer.

Portis does all of those things and more, such as blocking better than any running back on the team. Betts isn't as strong as Portis is to make the blocks that Portis has in the past.

When healthy, Portis is the best player on the team, in my opinion. Trading him would be a detriment despite the talented backups behind him.

Jake wrote:

brad7686 wrote:I think that betts and duckett can get it done. Betts runs hard and has great vision. He also allows blocks to be set up. Running on the panthers isn't easy, but he did pretty well. I'd like to get a Premium D-end (if we don't finish badly enough to get Gaines Adams) or a shutdown corner and maybe like a 2nd or 3rd pick for him. He is injury prone and has great value, it is really a no brainer.

Portis does all of those things and more, such as blocking better than any running back on the team. Betts isn't as strong as Portis is to make the blocks that Portis has in the past.

When healthy, Portis is the best player on the team, in my opinion. Trading him would be a detriment despite the talented backups behind him.

What he said + CP is the only one under contract.


If we trade him for a D-Lineman and BOTH TJ and ledell walk then what

brad7686 wrote:I think that betts and duckett can get it done. Betts runs hard and has great vision. He also allows blocks to be set up. Running on the panthers isn't easy, but he did pretty well. I'd like to get a Premium D-end (if we don't finish badly enough to get Gaines Adams) or a shutdown corner and maybe like a 2nd or 3rd pick for him. He is injury prone and has great value, it is really a no brainer.

No, NO, and did I mention NO

brad7686 wrote:I think that betts and duckett can get it done. Betts runs hard and has great vision. He also allows blocks to be set up. Running on the panthers isn't easy, but he did pretty well. I'd like to get a Premium D-end (if we don't finish badly enough to get Gaines Adams) or a shutdown corner and maybe like a 2nd or 3rd pick for him. He is injury prone and has great value, it is really a no brainer.

Portis is the franchise...

i wasn't aware of the contract issues but either way he isn't helping the team by being injured all the time. His value in a trade is greater than his value to the team. Period.

brad7686 wrote:i wasn't aware of the contract issues but either way he isn't helping the team by being injured all the time. His value in a trade is greater than his value to the team. Period.

How much time has he missed prior to this year.

He got hurt in the pre-season and may have came back too soon.

Brad, as I understand your desire for some help on the defensive side of the ball, certianly many of us desire that too, I don't think trading Portis is a feasible option. He is extremely valuable to this team in many ways. Jake was absolutley correct with his assessment of some of the intangible and tangible qualities that Portis has to offer. You can add being a good receiver to that list as well. Also, he gels well with the other boys from the U; Moss, Taylor and McIntosh. I think he makes a good leader for the offense, not to mention the entire team. Last time I checked, I believe his numbers, compared to other great running backs all time, are pretty good as well.

Are you a Skins fan? or a Cowgirl fan becuse thats crazy talk.Nobody hits holes faster than CP trust me i've followed him since college cuse i live in Miami NOBODY.

Yeah, and lets get rid of Moss while we're at it.......

I am well aware of his abilities, I know his top end speed and blocking are far superior than the other backs. But this isn't denver. Our linemen are not small and fast. The blocks have to develop for him, that is why he has not been as successful here as in denver. With Jason Campbell developing and hopefully a passing game soon as well, our offense will be a good deal better than our defense, which im sure i don't have to remind anyone has dipped to 30TH!!! at times

I do have to say that Frank Gore (having not been injured) may have been the best RB out of Miami including everyone. He is having an awsome season. Lets see if he can keep it up.

Jake wrote:

brad7686 wrote:I think that betts and duckett can get it done. Betts runs hard and has great vision. He also allows blocks to be set up. Running on the panthers isn't easy, but he did pretty well. I'd like to get a Premium D-end (if we don't finish badly enough to get Gaines Adams) or a shutdown corner and maybe like a 2nd or 3rd pick for him. He is injury prone and has great value, it is really a no brainer.

Portis does all of those things and more, such as blocking better than any running back on the team. Betts isn't as strong as Portis is to make the blocks that Portis has in the past.

When healthy, Portis is the best player on the team, in my opinion. Trading him would be a detriment despite the talented backups behind him.

You took the words right out of my mouth.
P.S. Betts is a good runner but his vision is not that great, nowhere near Portis vision. All we need to do is trade down in the first round to get more picks. I want Gaines Adams

All we need to do is trade down in the first round to get more picks. I want Gaines Adams

You cant trade down and get Gaines Adams. He's a top 10 pick.

Portis = da man....nuff said

I can't believe Brad wants to Spank Coach Janky out of D.C.

No Way. The only reason I wouldnt trade him is because he seems to be the heart of the team.

brad7686 wrote:i wasn't aware of the contract issues but either way he isn't helping the team by being injured all the time. His value in a trade is greater than his value to the team. Period.

Okay, please help me understand your logic: Why would we trade Portis for a shutdown corner and a pick, when we traded a shutdown corner and a pick for him to begin with?

brad7686 wrote:I am well aware of his abilities, I know his top end speed and blocking are far superior than the other backs. But this isn't denver. Our linemen are not small and fast. The blocks have to develop for him, that is why he has not been as successful here as in denver. With Jason Campbell developing and hopefully a passing game soon as well, our offense will be a good deal better than our defense, which im sure i don't have to remind anyone has dipped to 30TH!!! at times

What does Denver have to do with anything! It has been proven this year that their system cant take average backs and make them great. It takes great backs and keeps them looking great. Our system is fine. Portis is one of the youngest backs in the league, and IMO is second only to LT. And no I am not sold on LJ!

1) His contract makes a trade unthinkable.
2) His ability makes a trade unthinkable.
3) His contribution to the team makes a trade unthinkable.
4) You'd need to find somebody with a premier defensive player, that is so desperate to get a running back that they are willing to give up that premier defensive player. The Redskins themselves did that to get Portis, but they had an unhappy defensive player and had to get something in return for him.
5) This team is not so loaded with productive offensive football players that we can afford to just trade away one of the few we have.
6) We criticise this team for trading away draft picks for veterans, but trading away players is an even riskier proposition, unless those players aren't productive - Portis most certainly is.
7) I don't think it's a good idea.

I've had similar thoughts about Portis.

He's not a big guy, can he withstand the punishment? Gibbs loves to run his back 25 times a game. Gibbs always did very well with big backs. Portis is still young but has lots of carriers already.

The combination of Betts and Duckett would be able to handle the running that Gibbs is looking for. Plus, Al seems to love Betts.

I would NOT trade him for a CB -- a CB doesn't have the impact on the game like a RB. I would consider a trade for a top DE or DT, with a 2nd/3rd rounder thrown in. A stud DE/DT has a real impact on the game. Another thought is a good OLG and a high pick. I have NOT been sold on Dockery at all. If we could improve our OL with a super OG that would make our line even better and allow Gibbs to run, run, run...

I like Portis..he's a great teammate, great runner and blocker. Ok hands. BUT, I just don't know if he's a Joe Gibbs running back. I thought that from the time they came together.

His salary would virtually not allow a trade but if possible, I do think a stud lineman (and additional high pick) would be worth considering.

Being a relative newcomer, I've only been into this sport for 35 years and I never played as a kid so I do not know as much as many of the people here at THN BUT I do not think you trade someone who you can build an offense around like Portis and what looks like a really good QB.

IMO this offense has some players that we can build a very effective and dangerous offense around and Portis and Campbell are at the top of that list. I would include Moss and ey and I would hope that Saunders and Gibbs develop around that nucleus. Om offense, we really do not have serious issues with the level of talent at the skill positions; IMO the play calling and the "new" system have just not seemed to suit who is playing.

Like I said before - I do not know that much about this game but I do not think you trade away one of the "players" in the NFL.


Welcome to the site - I think we are going to see a more effective Redskins on both offense and defense for the rest of the season and that is going to hopefully give these coaches a better idea of what to do to continue to improve.
We really should try and keep the good players who are contributing and let the ones who have the potential and may be worth something to us but are not contributing go!


I think we are seeing the potential of a QB like Campbell - I'm sure he is going to continue to grow into a pretty decent QB and I think that Portis is going to be a great player for a number of years and you just should not trade a talent like that. We need to build around some of these players and try and keep them here when we find they can really play this game.

Also, with the severe lack of a passing game, thanks to Brunell, Portis was taking a beating this year. Defenses new that Brunell couldn't, or wouldn't, throw on them, so they simply stacked the box to stop Portis. With the insertion of JC, the potential is there to attack defenses downfield, therefore opening up the running game for Portis. I honestly believe Portis' numbers will rebound next year to an elevated level. I'm quite sure he knows this and is excited about next season.

By the way, what are the rules regarding players on injured reserve? If, and it's a slim if, we make the playoffs, could Portis be available for a potential playoff run?

I think that just prior to Brunell taking a seat, the team had really hit rock bottom. I now see them on an upward swing and the motivation is evident since JC has taken over, and this includes 'Sheriff Gonna Getcha.'

Uh, No!