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i'd say if they got super humilliated in the Super Bowl, that would just make my life complete

S2DG - I'd say the one loss keeping them outta the playoffs. It would make the 22-19 finish even more sweet than it already is.

BTW - what's up with the profanity in your sig line?

Moved to ATL.

By far the Cowboys missing the playoffs. By FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR.


Do we really want to read 10 million articles about Parcells taking 3 different teams to the Super Bowl? Or taking 4 different teams to the conference championship round?


Also, I love holding the fact that Dallas hasn't won a playoff game in 10 years over their jackass fans heads.

Missing the playoffs. Losing a Superbowl would be the lesser of two evils.

haha, i guess everyone would rather see them miss the post season

I dont want them to make the playoffs at all, much less the Super Bowl..

Well, well, well, it appears that yet another Redskin offseason has officially started.

Still, this thread came up a little later than I expected

So who's Danny gonna buy to put the Cowboys in their place next year?

Teams should be required to have won a playoff game this century in order for their fans to be able to talk trash.

Primetime42 wrote:Well, well, well, it appears that yet another Redskin offseason has officially started.

Still, this thread came up a little later than I expected

So who's Danny gonna buy to put the Cowboys in their place next year?

JPM36 wrote:Teams should be required to have won a playoff game this century in order for their fans to be able to talk trash.

0WN3D

Skins2daGrave wrote:

Primetime42 wrote:Well, well, well, it appears that yet another Redskin offseason has officially started.

Still, this thread came up a little later than I expected

So who's Danny gonna buy to put the Cowboys in their place next year?

JPM36 wrote:Teams should be required to have won a playoff game this century in order for their fans to be able to talk trash.

0WN3D

The way I see it, they've got 3 to win this year, so your logic does not bother me.

That's like laughing at a team because you've won three Super Bowls since they've last gotten past the second round.


Oh wait

I'm not buying into all this Cowboys hype at all.

They were 7-4 last year at this time and didn't make the playoffs.

Whoever heard of a Super Bowl contender that's 1-3 in the division?

My prediction: they lose to NYG next Sunday (typical Cowboy breaks, they get 10 days to prepare for their biggest game of the year) and they end up getting a wild card berth, then lose a wild card game in NY, Sea, or Carolina. Even if they somehow got through to the divisional playoffs it's not like they'd have any chance against the Bears in Chicago anyways.

This will all be over soon, guys.



And PT....at least we root for our local team instead of selling out and jumping on the bandwagon of the most famous team.

"NY/NJ".... I'll never understand these people.....but hey I'm sure your dad's brother's friend's cousin's godmother's aunt's sister knows a guy who knew a guy that went to a Cowboys game in the 70s so you've got a solid connection.



Sellout.

JPM36 wrote:I'm not buying into all this Cowboys hype at all.

They were 7-4 last year at this time and didn't make the playoffs.

Whoever heard of a Super Bowl contender that's 1-3 in the division?

My prediction: they lose to NYG next Sunday (typical Cowboy breaks, they get 10 days to prepare for their biggest game of the year) and they end up getting a wild card berth, then lose a wild card game in NY, Sea, or Carolina. Even if they somehow got through to the divisional playoffs it's not like they'd have any chance against the Bears in Chicago anyways.

This will all be over soon, guys.



And PT....at least we root for our local team instead of selling out and jumping on the bandwagon of the most famous team.

"NY/NJ".... I'll never understand these people.....but hey I'm sure your dad's brother's friend's cousin's godmother's aunt's sister knows a guy who knew a guy that went to a Cowboys game in the 70s so you've got a solid connection.



Sellout.

Keep up with that false logic if it makes you feel better. I know you're not really mad at me, but rather the fact that your team's fluke last year was exposed like I said it would be.

They're winning by playing good football, not luck.

But then, you wouldn't know much about that in the past 6 years would you?

Keep calling me a sellout, as if I gave a care. I'll be laughing all the way to the playoffs watching my team that was actually built the RIGHT way.

With the youth they have on both sides of the ball, they'll be contenders for quite some time. Meanwhile, on the banks of the Potomac, we'll be seeing another March 1 cut/free agent spending spree conducted by Washington, who will then proclaim themselves Super Bowl bound once again. God, I love it.

The only sellout I see continues to be Danny Boy Snyder and his band of misfits.

Primetime42 wrote:Keep up with that false logic if it makes you feel better. I know you're not really mad at me, but rather the fact that your team's fluke last year was exposed like I said it would be.

Did someone say OWN3D?

So my question is what big name, poor performing player is Danny-boy Snydes going to throw a draft pick away for? Leftwich? Bledsoe?

Primetime42 wrote:I'll be laughing all the way to the playoffs watching my team that was actually built the RIGHT way.

So how many of your WRs did you draft? How about your QBs, other than Romo? Maybe you are referring to your previous playoff wins. Oh that's right, you drafted Deion for those. Wait... what's the RIGHT way again?

why would a cowpuke fan come to a Redskins board? seriously, there are lots of cowgirl message boards out there

JSPB22 wrote:

Primetime42 wrote:I'll be laughing all the way to the playoffs watching my team that was actually built the RIGHT way.

So how many of your WRs did you draft? How about your QBs, other than Romo? Maybe you are referring to your previous playoff wins. Oh that's right, you drafted Deion for those. Wait... what's the RIGHT way again?

You're joking, right?

C'mon JSPB, I expect much better from you. Other than Glenn and Owens, every receiver (and tight end) on the Cowboys roster (And they make plays, too, in case you hadn't watched) was either drafted or signed as a rookie free agent.

Seeing as how there's only 5 WR's on the roster to begin with...

How about our QB's? Dude, those in glass houses should not throw stones, because as far as I'm concerned, you don't even have one, just a guy that two 1st rounders were blown on that you're hoping makes the grade.

FYI, Deion came to Dallas in 95. Not sure you realized, but they had won 2 Super Bowls pretty easily without him by that point in the 90's and had done it pretty much the same way they're starting to do it now; the draft yielding youth and depth, add a couple vets who can play the scheme and build chemistry.

I'm pretty shocked, because coming from you, that was a really dumb post just there.

You're supposed to be a vet









PS: In case you didn't catch it, the RIGHT way is the way I mentioned a couple paragraphs up.

Primetime42 wrote:

JSPB22 wrote:

Primetime42 wrote:I'll be laughing all the way to the playoffs watching my team that was actually built the RIGHT way.

So how many of your WRs did you draft? How about your QBs, other than Romo? Maybe you are referring to your previous playoff wins. Oh that's right, you drafted Deion for those. Wait... what's the RIGHT way again?

You're joking, right?

C'mon JSPB, I expect much better from you. Other than Glenn and Owens, every receiver (and tight end) on the Cowboys roster (And they make plays, too, in case you hadn't watched) was either drafted or signed as a rookie free agent.

Seeing as how there's only 5 WR's on the roster to begin with...

How about our QB's? Dude, those in glass houses should not throw stones, because as far as I'm concerned, you don't even have one, just a guy that two 1st rounders were blown on that you're hoping makes the grade.

FYI, Deion came to Dallas in 95. Not sure you realized, but they had won 2 Super Bowls pretty easily without him by that point in the 90's and had done it pretty much the same way they're starting to do it now; the draft yielding youth and depth, add a couple vets who can play the scheme and build chemistry.

I'm pretty shocked, because coming from you, that was a really dumb post just there.

You're supposed to be a vet









PS: In case you didn't catch it, the RIGHT way is the way I mentioned a couple paragraphs up.

Not at all. I was just pointing out your hypocrisy. I never said the 'Skins haven't eschewed the draft for free agents. That was the point you were tyring to make about the 'Pies, no? I didn't even mention Vanderchoke, but Bledsoe, Testaverde, and pretty much every guy since Aikman, were not cowboy draft picks. Neither were Keyshawn, Glenn, nor TO. These are your building the right way guys? Please don't say you were only talking about this season. You don't build a team through the draft in one season. The 'Skins may have made some poor choices, but don't try and pass off the 'Pies, as some purely drafted team. I would be willing to wager that each team has around the same ratio of players they actually drafted.

JSPB22 wrote:Not at all. I was just pointing out your hypocrisy. I never said the 'Skins haven't eschewed the draft for free agents. That was the point you were tyring to make about the 'Pies, no? I didn't even mention Vanderchoke, but Bledsoe, Testaverde, and pretty much every guy since Aikman, were not cowboy draft picks. Neither were Keyshawn, Glenn, nor TO. These are your building the right way guys? Please don't say you were only talking about this season. You don't build a team through the draft in one season. The 'Skins may have made some poor choices, but don't try and pass off the 'Pies, as some purely drafted team. I would be willing to wager that each team has around the same ratio of players they actually drafted.

So name me one team since the advent of free agency that has done it strictly through the draft? If you can then name one that were actually contenders? Not going to happen... I'll eat my crow if you do.

Now the "Right" way as Primetime42 is referring to is building the foundation of your franchise with the draft and addressing the "needs" with free agency. Now why would those be needs? Departing Free agents, injuries, draft busts, etc...

So what happens when you trade away draft picks for higher priced players that effectively play the same time in games as high draft picks?r (Ducket, Lloyd, Archuletta). Is that building your team the right way?

Yes, I know Lloyd is NOW getting into the games, but, wouldn't a good 2-3 round rookie start showing up halfway through the season?

forskins wrote:

JSPB22 wrote:Not at all. I was just pointing out your hypocrisy. I never said the 'Skins haven't eschewed the draft for free agents. That was the point you were tyring to make about the 'Pies, no? I didn't even mention Vanderchoke, but Bledsoe, Testaverde, and pretty much every guy since Aikman, were not cowboy draft picks. Neither were Keyshawn, Glenn, nor TO. These are your building the right way guys? Please don't say you were only talking about this season. You don't build a team through the draft in one season. The 'Skins may have made some poor choices, but don't try and pass off the 'Pies, as some purely drafted team. I would be willing to wager that each team has around the same ratio of players they actually drafted.

So name me one team since the advent of free agency that has done it strictly through the draft? If you can then name one that were actually contenders? Not going to happen... I'll eat my crow if you do.

Now the "Right" way as Primetime42 is referring to is building the foundation of your franchise with the draft and addressing the "needs" with free agency. Now why would those be needs? Departing Free agents, injuries, draft busts, etc...

So what happens when you trade away draft picks for higher priced players that effectively play the same time in games as high draft picks?r (Ducket, Lloyd, Archuletta). Is that building your team the right way?

Yes, I know Lloyd is NOW getting into the games, but, wouldn't a good 2-3 round rookie start showing up halfway through the season?

What he said.

I never said we built purely through the draft. The days of that are long past.

No way would I ever want to see another Cowboys team in the Super Bowl, never.ever.

Primetime42 wrote:

forskins wrote:

JSPB22 wrote:Not at all. I was just pointing out your hypocrisy. I never said the 'Skins haven't eschewed the draft for free agents. That was the point you were tyring to make about the 'Pies, no? I didn't even mention Vanderchoke, but Bledsoe, Testaverde, and pretty much every guy since Aikman, were not cowboy draft picks. Neither were Keyshawn, Glenn, nor TO. These are your building the right way guys? Please don't say you were only talking about this season. You don't build a team through the draft in one season. The 'Skins may have made some poor choices, but don't try and pass off the 'Pies, as some purely drafted team. I would be willing to wager that each team has around the same ratio of players they actually drafted.

So name me one team since the advent of free agency that has done it strictly through the draft? If you can then name one that were actually contenders? Not going to happen... I'll eat my crow if you do.

Now the "Right" way as Primetime42 is referring to is building the foundation of your franchise with the draft and addressing the "needs" with free agency. Now why would those be needs? Departing Free agents, injuries, draft busts, etc...

So what happens when you trade away draft picks for higher priced players that effectively play the same time in games as high draft picks?r (Ducket, Lloyd, Archuletta). Is that building your team the right way?

Yes, I know Lloyd is NOW getting into the games, but, wouldn't a good 2-3 round rookie start showing up halfway through the season?

What he said.

I never said we built purely through the draft. The days of that are long past.

Obviously, so why then did you try to make it out any different? I see you didn't take me up offer to check out the free-agent to draftee ratio for each team. BTW, despite the high-profile FA signings, the 'Skins core are drafted players. (3 OL, TE, QB, RB (now), 2 DL, 1 and 1/2 LB, 2 DB) So according to the two of you, the Redskins are building the right way. Go figure, we agree.

JSPB22 wrote:

Primetime42 wrote:

forskins wrote:

JSPB22 wrote:Not at all. I was just pointing out your hypocrisy. I never said the 'Skins haven't eschewed the draft for free agents. That was the point you were tyring to make about the 'Pies, no? I didn't even mention Vanderchoke, but Bledsoe, Testaverde, and pretty much every guy since Aikman, were not cowboy draft picks. Neither were Keyshawn, Glenn, nor TO. These are your building the right way guys? Please don't say you were only talking about this season. You don't build a team through the draft in one season. The 'Skins may have made some poor choices, but don't try and pass off the 'Pies, as some purely drafted team. I would be willing to wager that each team has around the same ratio of players they actually drafted.

So name me one team since the advent of free agency that has done it strictly through the draft? If you can then name one that were actually contenders? Not going to happen... I'll eat my crow if you do.

Now the "Right" way as Primetime42 is referring to is building the foundation of your franchise with the draft and addressing the "needs" with free agency. Now why would those be needs? Departing Free agents, injuries, draft busts, etc...

So what happens when you trade away draft picks for higher priced players that effectively play the same time in games as high draft picks?r (Ducket, Lloyd, Archuletta). Is that building your team the right way?

Yes, I know Lloyd is NOW getting into the games, but, wouldn't a good 2-3 round rookie start showing up halfway through the season?

What he said.

I never said we built purely through the draft. The days of that are long past.

Obviously, so why then did you try to make it out any different? I see you didn't take me up offer to check out the free-agent to draftee ratio for each team. BTW, despite the high-profile FA signings, the 'Skins core are drafted players. (3 OL, TE, QB, RB (now), 2 DL, 1 and 1/2 LB, 2 DB) So according to the two of you, the Redskins are building the right way. Go figure, we agree.

Again, no.

Didn't know you actually wanted a ratio, but I'll do you one better, I'll run down the whole roster

Every player here was either drafted or brought in as a rookie free agent and is currently on the active roster

QB - Romo, Matt Baker

HB - Jones, Barber, Tyson Thompson

FB - Lousaka Polite, Oliver Hoyte

WR- Sam Hurd, Patrick Crayton, Miles Austin

TE - Witten, Fasano (only TE's on the active roster)

OL - Adams, Gurode, Johnson, Proctor, McQuistan

DE - Spears, Canty, Ratliff, Hatcher

DT - Montavious Stanley

LB - Ware, James, Carpenter, Ellis, Fowler, Burnett, Glymph

DB - Williams, Newman, Watkins, Davis, N.Jones, Reeves, A.Elam

Specialist - Mat McBriar

That's 37 out of a possible 53.

And every one of them, sans Nate Jones, Stanley, Glymph, McQuistan, Proctor and Elam has contributed in some way, shape or form to the team's success this season.

(3 OL, TE, QB, RB (now), 2 DL, 1 and 1/2 LB, 2 DB)

The numbers you offer pale in comparison. What the hell is 1 and 1/2 LB?

I'll say it again, the correct way to build a team is through solid drafting while adding a couple pieces in free agency as need be.

The Redskins do it bass ackwards, and when it looked like they might have finally understood that last year, they go on another spree this year.

As far as Jerry Jones blowing money on players in the past, is it any coincidence that shortly after we were giving away first round picks for overrated players that we were constantly finishing 5-11? That all changed the day Parcells was brought in and Jones has finally seen the light; that the only way you can build a foundation is through the draft.

The Cowboys have drafted solidly for the past four years. Parcells hasn't brought in any first round busts, and he's brought in plenty of talent in the late rounds, a al Canty, Crayton, Watkins, Hatcher, and others.

UDFA's speak for themselves, especially in the case of Romo.

So next time, don't presume to tell me what I said and what I didn't say.

Dude, we don't care what you have to say.

Go talk to the 2-3 people on CowboysGuide....


oh, excuse me, since they are winning lately it's probably more like 5-6....

Primetime42 wrote:And every one of them, sans Nate Jones, Stanley, Glymph, McQuistan, Proctor and Elam has contributed in some way, shape or form to the team's success this season.

I'll say it again, the correct way to build a team is through solid drafting while adding a couple pieces in free agency as need be.

The Redskins do it bass ackwards, and when it looked like they might have finally understood that last year, they go on another spree this year.

Wow. Then I suppose that Gibbs won three "bass ackwards" Superbowls, as well as lead a 10-6 team, with a sweep of Dallas, to the playoffs last year. His philosophy on personnel has been fairly consistent throughout his career in the NFL.

Okay, so it looks like you're winning this great 'debate' this year. It didn't look so good for you last year, and it may not again next year. Until the Cowboys win a Superbowl (and they can start with a playoff win this year--for the first time in a decade--if they'd like), I don't know how authoritative your "I'll say it again, the correct way . . . " really is. Heck, given your history I would say keep approaching things "the correct way", and us Skins fans will be better off for it.

If you look at the Redskins free agent moves before this season, we had as good of a record as your draft card, if not better. This season our problems have been deep, but one of them happens to be a few bad personnel moves. . .and now we hear that the Skins have it completely backwards. I think things are closer to being on track than you're willing to give credit for.