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Guys im confused, frustrated, dumbfounded and exasperated!. I swear there must be imposters in our uniforms. Were are the worst defense in the league. Were god awful. Yes Campbell looked good but what the hell is going on , on defense. Gregg williams looks drained. The line gets gashed . Carter and holdman get pushed around like the scrubs that they are. What the hell did they see in Carter? Carlos Rogers ? WTF he cant catch a cold!( AND NO I will never forgive him for dropping that ball vs Hasselback , its forever changed the destiny on gibbs 2nd era). Lemar marshall cant shed blocks anymore. AA is officially the worst signing ever!..Vernon "waiver wire" Fox plays ahead of the highest paid safety in the history of the league. AND FOX DOESNT EVEN START.
Im disgusted. this is unacceptble. I want wynn, carter, archuleta, holdman, wright , ALL GONE...AND PLEASE PLAY MACINTOSH!, Now!
If were getting gashed for 200 a game on the ground how much worse can it get??? what are they worried about ? giving up 250?
Sorry guys I had to vent. this is ridiculous

This is nothing new.


. . .or was starting Campbell supposed to fix that, as well?

i would be stunned if our defense isn't the worst in the entire NFL. i think the stats are right around there, aren't they?

during the game i kept thinking, "they should just cut almost every single person on the defense tomorrow morning. just bring in scrubs for the rest of the year and start over next year". there's no reason to pay real players to play like this. may as well make a statement.

I think for some, this QB switch has shown the TRUE reason for our poor record. The ineptitude of a) our defensive personel and b)the people who pick the said personel.

I think that the FO's philosophy of abandoning the draft, and signing these overrated free-agents, is the reason the D is so bad. We tie up all our cap money in "star" type contracts, and have no money for quality backups. Also, I hope that Gregg Williams finally realize's that it isn't his system that stops offense's, its the players in the system.

DaSkins24 wrote:I think that the FO's philosophy of abandoning the draft, and signing these overrated free-agents, is the reason the D is so bad. We tie up all our cap money in "star" type contracts, and have no money for quality backups. Also, I hope that Gregg Williams finally realize's that it isn't his system that stops offense's, its the players in the system.

amen, brother!

HitDoctor wrote:I think for some, this QB switch has shown the TRUE reason for our poor record. The ineptitude of a) our defensive personel and b)the people who pick the said personel.

There were quite a few of us that have been trying to point out to the anti Brunell faction that the reason we were not doing well was not solely due to the play of the offense and in particular the QB. They were blind!

This offense is going to be a lot better with Campbell as our QB BUT the main reason we have lost so many games is still not due to Brunell and it never was.

We are not playing well together or with enough intensity.

So many fans look at individual performances and do not understand that great players have great supporting casts. I had a feeling that Seattle would lose today because Alexander is not a great back without his other teammates. The same is true here - we need these guys to play better together and support each other. If one guy misses a tackle someone else has to make it - we continue to allow big plays.

SkinsJock wrote:

HitDoctor wrote:I think for some, this QB switch has shown the TRUE reason for our poor record. The ineptitude of a) our defensive personel and b)the people who pick the said personel.

There were quite a few of us that have been trying to point out to the anti Brunell faction that the reason we were not doing well was not solely due to the play of the offense and in particular the QB. They were blind!

This offense is going to be a lot better with Campbell as our QB BUT the main reason we have lost so many games is still not due to Brunell and it never was.

We are not playing well together or with enough intensity.

Absolutely. Brunell was part of the problem, but not the whole problem. If you're a quarterback not named Peyton Manning, you are going to have a hard time overcoming the deficiencies of this defense.

its just that , every week they play so bad its numbing..Im tired of of all there rhetoric about improviing and yada yada, they just just plain out suck something very awful..andre carter is absolutely horrific at the point of of attack. Every week the starting Lt USES HIM AS PERSONAL BLOCKING SLED....PLAY DEMTRIC EVANS FOR CHRISSAKE!!! CHANGE IT UP!
didnt we match Demtric evans tender offer from pittsburgh? FOR WHAT ??..So he can get first hand look at that mutt they signed from SF. Its ridiculous!...play renaldo wynn....anthing but that blocking dummy Carter. Hes a cancer..he was so bad today its sickening

Another game when the other team holds the ball to keep our offense off the field for long periods of time. Another game that the offense spend more time wacthing than trying to put u points. In the past the offense wasn't a lot to look forward to but even with CP and Super Moss out if the O could have gotten a few more oppertunities we might have gotten a "W" today

SkinsJock wrote:

HitDoctor wrote:I think for some, this QB switch has shown the TRUE reason for our poor record. The ineptitude of a) our defensive personel and b)the people who pick the said personel.

There were quite a few of us that have been trying to point out to the anti Brunell faction that the reason we were not doing well was not solely due to the play of the offense and in particular the QB. They were blind!

This offense is going to be a lot better with Campbell as our QB BUT the main reason we have lost so many games is still not due to Brunell and it never was.

um, i recall scant few posts where people thought brunell was the ONLY problem on the team. the "Anti-Brunell Faction" (to which i proudly pledge my allegiance) was not "blind". we simply knew that brunell was done and that it was time for campbell-- apparently long before you did. suck it up.

die cowboys die wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:

HitDoctor wrote:I think for some, this QB switch has shown the TRUE reason for our poor record. The ineptitude of a) our defensive personel and b)the people who pick the said personel.

There were quite a few of us that have been trying to point out to the anti Brunell faction that the reason we were not doing well was not solely due to the play of the offense and in particular the QB. They were blind!

This offense is going to be a lot better with Campbell as our QB BUT the main reason we have lost so many games is still not due to Brunell and it never was.

um, i recall scant few posts where people thought brunell was the ONLY problem on the team. the "Anti-Brunell Faction" (to which i proudly pledge my allegiance) was not "blind". we simply knew that brunell was done and that it was time for campbell-- apparently long before you did. suck it up.

No one was saying the defense was great or there weren't other problems. The Campbell Bandwagon just knew Brunell was doing absolutely nothing to help the team win, and was just stealing snaps from The Kid. Unless JC gets hurt, there's no reason we ever need to see Mark on the field again.

i don't think we need to completely revamp the defense. we have good pieces in certain places. Lets also not forget that losing prieolu hurt us alot. Everyone keeps saying AA sucks but the fact of the matter is we knew what we were getting wit him. Put 25 lbs on his frame in the offseason and make him a middle linebacker.

Mursilis wrote:

die cowboys die wrote:

SkinsJock wrote:

HitDoctor wrote:I think for some, this QB switch has shown the TRUE reason for our poor record. The ineptitude of a) our defensive personel and b)the people who pick the said personel.

There were quite a few of us that have been trying to point out to the anti Brunell faction that the reason we were not doing well was not solely due to the play of the offense and in particular the QB. They were blind!

This offense is going to be a lot better with Campbell as our QB BUT the main reason we have lost so many games is still not due to Brunell and it never was.

um, i recall scant few posts where people thought brunell was the ONLY problem on the team. the "Anti-Brunell Faction" (to which i proudly pledge my allegiance) was not "blind". we simply knew that brunell was done and that it was time for campbell-- apparently long before you did. suck it up.

No one was saying the defense was great or there weren't other problems. The Campbell Bandwagon just knew Brunell was doing absolutely nothing to help the team win, and was just stealing snaps from The Kid. Unless JC gets hurt, there's no reason we ever need to see Mark on the field again.

While I'm not sure that the phrase "Brunell is the only reason that we are losing" was ever used, those were not too far from the sentiments expressed. Phrases such as "Gibbs has wasted this season with Mark Brunell" and "Brunell is ruining our season" logically dictate that Mark is the linchpin to our struggles--otherwise it couldn't be wasting the season to start him, since the blame would have been spread around a lot more.

That is to say, the claim that Brunell ruined our season attributes the loss of the season to Brunell essentially. The assertion that Brunell "ruined" both this year and next year is even stronger, and rides on that same principle.

That's not to say that the other problems were ignored, but surely the focus was misplaced if the 'pro-Campbell from the beginning' crowd (I'll even put positive spin on it for you ) really thought that the problems went far beyond just Brunell. It didn't seem to me like those were the ideas being tossed around.

I wondered how long it would take for the "Brunell camp" to jump on this thread

It's humorous to see how the "Brunnies" continue to try and justify their irrational support.

I was a staunch anti-Brunell pundit, but never made claim that he was everything that was wrong. He was however the easiset thing to "fix" by pluggin JC in there and letting the future leader of the team get some experience.

I think b/c of the prior poor QB play the defense has been exposed and gutted in the first half of the season to a certain extent.

The D line is just awful, Griffin is the best we have and he is getting old I think, seems to be injured alot. We need to address the line first and foremost this offseason, offensive line too.

MLB and DB need scrutinizing as well. Get Rocky in there already Dangit! What is the deal?

Greg Williams, Boonell, Rodgers, Marshall, Lindsey, Archuleta, Holdman, Daniels, Wynn should all be cut. I also never liked Betts either and his fumble yesterday further proves that. He sucks and I hope we don't sign him in the off season, I think Duckett should be the one SPLITTING TIME with Portis.

He said ... she said ... I think that we all know where certain people stand on the issues here. I am and always have been a Gibbs supporter and by extension I consider whomever he selects as a coach or a player as someone that I "support". That is not to say that I am anti Campbell or pro Brunell, I am a Redskins fan.

I (and I think a lot of others) have been hoping and looking forward to seeing Campbell play QB for some time as I am sure that if Gibbs thought enough of him to go to the extent that he did to get him then he must be something special. I have always felt that our problems this year were because we are not playing well enough as a team and that will not change quickly.

Apart from TRO I'm not sure how many "Brunnies" there are actually. Most of us just wanted whoever was in there to get the job done until Gibbs decided that Campbell was ready and not because of some fans and low lifes who would just boo because they thought it would help somehow.

Now we have the QB that the fans (and the low lifes - they are still not fans) always looked forward to seeing and IMO, he looks as good as we felt he might be.
Now we can continue to hope that the team will start playing together and we can gain some sort of idea of where we need to address the issues we have to make our team better.



By the way, I certainly hope our QB does not get injured (as the low lifes were hoping would happen to Brunell) but if he does I'm sure Brunell will try and help this team be successful. I'm also sure that being the quality player and teammate that Brunell is, that he is doing everything he can to help Campbell be successful.

thank you Mark Brunell (Cowboy Killa ) and all the best to our new QB.

SkinsJock wrote:Apart from TRO I'm not sure how many "Brunnies" there are actually.

TRO has no equal.

Most of us just wanted whoever was in there to get the job done until Gibbs decided that Campbell was ready and not because of some fans and low lifes who would just boo because they thought it would help somehow.

So didth TRO. It's too bad that the poor defensive played opened the door faster for Mark to exit the stage. That being said, JC looked like a stud yesterday, and I'm pleased to see that his throwing mechanics have changed some.

thank you Mark Brunell (Cowboy Killa ) and all the best to our new QB.

Indeed.

Our defence does indeed suck. Back to the drawing board?

The D line is just awful, Griffin is the best we have and he is getting old I think, seems to be injured alot. We need to address the line first and foremost this offseason, offensive line too.

AMEN!!!! Those are the BIGGEST problems we have and they were the biggest problems we had when Brunell was playing QB too.

As for Archuleta and Carter, I'd like to know who's idea it was to sign them? Does anyone really think that this is the only year Archuleta couldn't cover anybody? As for Carter, I don't know much about him, but somebody didn't do their homework on either one of these guys... and to let Pierce go to the Giants and Smoot go to Minnesota is criminal...

WE NEED A FRIGGIN' GENERAL MANAGER!!!! Snyder and Cerrato need to get out of the personnel business and let a professional go to work. Who are we going to sign next year? We're bumping smack dab up against the cap now!?

Well, I think the switch at QB and the benching of AA with basically the same ol' results shows our problems run much deeper than the play of two individuals. That's why I was surprised AA didn't get into the game yesterday. With him on the bench, we've seen the same big plays in the secondary and even though he was giving up some big plays, I think he was the 2nd leading tackler on the team at the time of his benching (don't quote me on that, it's just something I think I read here). With a defense that has trouble tackling, it seems like he should at least have been used in some of the packages.

Anyway, it's hard to figure out what is going on with the D. You wouldn't think losing a few players would have this sort of an effect. It's also obvious that whatever we're doing, the league now knows how to exploit it. In one article, Williams (RB at Tampa) said that by studying the film they knew they could attack us with the run. I was a little surprised by that since I figured everyone would think they could attack with the pass.

I think as RiC pointed out on a different thread and UK Skins Fan earlier - we need to use the next 6 games to guage where we stand and take a look at all the players that are here and make sure we properly evaluate for next year in these games. We have a lot of good games left to give a lot of these guys an opportunity to show how they might fit what we are trying to do.



I think that all the players are a part of the team and are used when their particular talents suit the other players and the game plan. I know that Williams has said that everyone that suits up for him is a part of the starting defense. AA being on the sidelines is not benching per se to me, I think his talents (or lack there of) did not suit what Williams wanted on the field - no big deal, our defense did not play either yesterday so a single player is not too blame.

We need to give some of the other guys a chance - how good was it to see Yoder get a TD?