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those anybody notice this or is it just me, but dont u think the offensive players dont fit the scheme of Al Saunders? i mean the offensive line cant block in his plays and portis is not a strech guy but a downhill and hit the hole runner. lets see if jason Campbell is gonna be a Al Saunders QB, cuz we all no Brunell wasn't.

i no i will get alot of crap about wut i just said, so please prove me wrong.

Does anybody think Al Saunders system is a myth? I mean 700 pages, no audibles, uses TEs, HBs, FB, Slot receivers WR and all combinations are interchangable?


aren't the playbooks on laptop nowaday?

ankush92 wrote:those anybody notice this or is it just me, but dont u think the offensive players dont fit the scheme of Al Saunders?

It takes at least a year to master Al's offensive scheme. We have the players that can deliver the goods in this system. We jumped too quickly to expect instant results. Let's see Jason Campbell. Hopefully, he can stretch the field.

Myth??? Unless, the folks in KC have been lying about who was running their offense, I would say it's not a myth.

Let's remember, this is his first year with this crew. There is enough talent on the offense to run his offense and we will see if the kid can lead it. Right now they suck and need to get back to the Redskins Way... This is year one of the 700-page play book. I say now that we have a physically capable body at QB (yet to see if he will be any good) that can move and throw down field, we will see.

Who knows, JC could be a bust. Hell, Collins could be a bum too and we have three lousy QBs....

roybus14 wrote:Who knows, JC could be a bust. Hell, Collins could be a bum too and we have three lousy QBs....

Pleaso apply for a spot on the cheerleading squad, will ya?

I am all excited now.

Let me temper RiC's enthusiasm by saying that Randle El may well be a bum too.

Not trying to be negative just sayin'. I pray that JC is the man and this is our start back to glory by finishing strong this year and carrying it over into next year.....

Portis hasn't hit any holes this year. Probably because there have been no holes to hit. No Worries Brunell is gone ALL IS WELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Offence? hum......... much to learn young one.

I believe that Saunders was hired before the free agency period. If so, one woudl assume that he had some say in selecting who to go after. If anyone knows best what type of players fit into Saunders' scheme, it's Saunders himself. My guess is that, if they allow this team to stay together long enough, you'll see dramatic improvement.

Gibbs4Life wrote:Portis hasn't hit any holes this year. Probably because there have been no holes to hit. No Worries Brunell is gone ALL IS WELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, becuase Brunell was the one making those holes............

No we don't have the right personel and yes Al's scheme can work. The Rams were a terrible team when he first got there and their first year they were about what .500. The Cheifs were a terrible team when he arrived and their first year I believe they were what close to .500. Now remember the Skins were a playoff team so instead of us looking better as one would think it made us look worse. I also believe that the blocking shcemes are different then what we had before leaving the offense to learn a whole new scheme and different blocking on different plays. Thats why different players are making the mistakes on different plays. Gibbs is also used to having big blocking OL and came to a team which had medium size OL. The bigger OL is usually slow but takes up space. I believe Al's OL system requires a more speedier OL but smaller. Look at the Rams and how their system was so fast but small. Any big DL could bull rush through. Which is why they used alot of out of the pocket throws with Warner when they were playing a team with a big DL. When they played a Team with a smaller faster DL they used alot of crossing patterns and RB screens. I'm no guru but this is what I believe to be the problem. Now did Al have time to pick his players he wanted...yes, but a coach can't go out and get everything he needs in the draft and this year the cap was raised significantly to help all teams in keeping their valuable players.
The hype was huge and I fell for it too. Remember anytime a new system is put into place it takes atleast 3-5yrs to master it. If we would have kept Gibbs system and added the extra WR we would have been a dominate team. Al's system is complicated and takes time to learn. I think Gibbs was setting the team up for the future because he is not planning to be on the field to much longer and needed someone who used a similar offense that he used. To many teams were going to the West Coast offense and not using the system Gibbs used because it is quicker to learn and has fewer blocking schemes.
I hope next year will be better. The Rams and the Chiefs looked better the second year.

I think that we have the players for the system and what Saunders has done so far has not been too much for any of these players to handle. Basically, IMO, the players have not executed the new offense as well as they should. No system is going to work if all of the parts do not work together. We need the players to play to their abilities and execute a system that is not that difficult.

We keep hearing about the 700 page playbook but we also conveniently forget how simple this system is (according to Saunders himself) for the players to understand from a players' perspective. This was very clearly explained earlier this year by one of THN's staff guys when the questions first came out about how difficult it must be for the players to grasp this new 700 page playbook! Saunders' "system" was revealed by Saunders to be not that difficult.

We need these players to execute and perform better on the field on both offense and defense. These guys have let themselves and the team down by their level of play this year. We have seen some moments of brilliance but we have also seen a lot of sloppy play on both sides of the ball.
This is the NFL and you have to execute the basics better than the other team and in most cases you will have success. IMO we are not doing that consistently and that is the main reason we are at 3-6.

I am looking forward to this weekend and hope to see a lift on offense with our new QB and hopefully the defensive effort will also be a lot more intense.

The Washington Redskins are a better team than we have seen for the most part this year.

roybus14 wrote:Not trying to be negative just sayin'. I pray that JC is the man and this is our start back to glory by finishing strong this year and carrying it over into next year.....

Just be sure to measure "finishing strong" this year in terms of development and not wins/losses. Those will come if JC develops. I think expectations are not realistic from a lot of people in wins/losses. I'm not eliminating the possiblity, just saying that can't be THE measure this year for him.

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

roybus14 wrote:Not trying to be negative just sayin'. I pray that JC is the man and this is our start back to glory by finishing strong this year and carrying it over into next year.....

Just be sure to measure "finishing strong" this year in terms of development and not wins/losses. Those will come if JC develops. I think expectations are not realistic from a lot of people in wins/losses. I'm not eliminating the possiblity, just saying that can't be THE measure this year for him.

He'll make mistakes but there is no reason to think the season will get worst (IMO). Quite the opposite could happen, the defensive side of the ball is finally healthy, Saunders has a completely moblie QB that can make all of the throws, Portis won't be in there for defenses to key on and they may play lose.
Next year JC can build of a winning season or at least helping the team turn it around.

1niksder wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

roybus14 wrote:Not trying to be negative just sayin'. I pray that JC is the man and this is our start back to glory by finishing strong this year and carrying it over into next year.....

Just be sure to measure "finishing strong" this year in terms of development and not wins/losses. Those will come if JC develops. I think expectations are not realistic from a lot of people in wins/losses. I'm not eliminating the possiblity, just saying that can't be THE measure this year for him.

He'll make mistakes but there is no reason to think the season will get worst (IMO). Quite the opposite could happen, the defensive side of the ball is finally healthy, Saunders has a completely moblie QB that can make all of the throws, Portis won't be in there for defenses to key on and they may play lose.
Next year JC can build of a winning season or at least helping the team turn it around.

I agree with all that, none of it disagrees with my point either.

1niksder wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

roybus14 wrote:Not trying to be negative just sayin'. I pray that JC is the man and this is our start back to glory by finishing strong this year and carrying it over into next year.....

Just be sure to measure "finishing strong" this year in terms of development and not wins/losses. Those will come if JC develops. I think expectations are not realistic from a lot of people in wins/losses. I'm not eliminating the possiblity, just saying that can't be THE measure this year for him.

He'll make mistakes but there is no reason to think the season will get worst (IMO). Quite the opposite could happen, the defensive side of the ball is finally healthy, Saunders has a completely moblie QB that can make all of the throws, Portis won't be in there for defenses to key on and they may play lose.
Next year JC can build of a winning season or at least helping the team turn it around.

Great points.....

I think that JC will be fine....

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

1niksder wrote:

KazooSkinsFan wrote:

roybus14 wrote:Not trying to be negative just sayin'. I pray that JC is the man and this is our start back to glory by finishing strong this year and carrying it over into next year.....

Just be sure to measure "finishing strong" this year in terms of development and not wins/losses. Those will come if JC develops. I think expectations are not realistic from a lot of people in wins/losses. I'm not eliminating the possiblity, just saying that can't be THE measure this year for him.

He'll make mistakes but there is no reason to think the season will get worst (IMO). Quite the opposite could happen, the defensive side of the ball is finally healthy, Saunders has a completely moblie QB that can make all of the throws, Portis won't be in there for defenses to key on and they may play lose.
Next year JC can build of a winning season or at least helping the team turn it around.

I agree with all that, none of it disagrees with my point either.

This will be like back to the future.
Gibbs biggest player moves since coming back will be on the bench.
He brought Mark and CP with him when he returned, ones been benched the other on IR. He shipped Coles to NY for Moss and it doesn't look like he'll be able to go on Sunday.
These three players have been the focus of every D co-ord since week 2 last year, if 1 was out the focus would shift more to the remaining of the trio. This is the first game Gibbs will have none of them. Some would think this is a bad thing but it's not.

Jason will be out there with 2 RBs playing for contracts next year, Patten should be back and playing for his career. He'll have a TE that spent as much time running the scout team as he did last year (Koz).

If nothing else it's be fun to watch

KcRed wrote:All Saunders has the correct personnel....in fact , once you have everyone on the same page ....Al possesses an even greater team on offense than the team here in Kansas City....Chiefs had one maybe two Good WR....we have 4 or 5 : the chiefs had a fairly decent front line....we have one better than theirs. The chiefs had one feature back....we have 2 potential game breakers plus a featured back...out for a minute...but you still have the other two....CHiefs have Daunte Hall....We have Randle El, and Cartwright....The only thing we may be lacking is a field goal kicker. Look at what Al did for St Louis and Kansas City....Just wait guys...we may soon be in Hog Heaven....

ok, the WR issue is spot-on, but are you seriously saying our o-line is better than theirs was?? that is patently false. KC's o-line was one of the best, if not THE best, in the league over the past several years (until they lost a bunch of guys this year). ours isn't even in the same category as theirs was.

I feel like with Al's playbook, he uses it to satisfy every major player on the field. In all the games this season, the play disturbution is even and i think we need to stick with a gameplan. With Portis on the IR, we should look to Campbell's arm and not power running with Tj and Ladell. Don't get me wrong Tj and Ladell could share the role of RB but are offensive line can't block and were letting too many defensive linemen through. We just need to have faith in Campbell and give him the chance to throw.

Quit blaming the 700 pages....Al did it in KC with a super OLine (ours is average), a possible HOF TE (Cooley is very good, not HOF) and an experienced QB (we had a worn out QB for the 1st part of the year, now a guy that has real potential). The only thing we have on the Chiefs are better WRs.

Oh yeah, he had a RB that was big and could get you 4-5 yards a pop.