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We need to get omse WRs to help out Moss and we did. I think that both Lloyd and Randle El would have better numbers as would Moss if Brunell wasnt QB. With Moss, Randel El, Lloyd, ey, Sellers, Thrash, Betts, Ducket... We should have NO PROBLEM MOVING THE BALL!!! these guys are too good...

But like i said with all the money we spent in the offseason we did good withe the WRs we got...

You know that there are people on this board that will challenge you on this, right????

What you say does have merit because the WRs have been thrown to enough to really get a fair assessment on how good they are. Just like Patten last year before he got hurt, he was open quite often but didn't get the ball so people assumed he was no good.

If the QB can't get you the ball, what do you do????

roybus14 wrote:...If the QB can't get you the ball, what do you do????

So if the number of receptions does not improve this same logic will mean that we need a new QB?

Campbell will be very good but we cannot expect the receptions to just increase just because he is a better QB - if the line does not give him the time he will not complete any passes - this is really a fairly simple concept - the QB will only be as successful as the players around him enable him to be

A good QB is only as good as the rest of the supporting cast. If the rest of the offense does not work then he will look pretty ineffective - he might even be as bad (or as good) as the one we had last week

SkinsJock wrote:

roybus14 wrote:...If the QB can't get you the ball, what do you do????

So if the number of receptions does not improve this same logic will mean that we need a new QB?

Campbell will be very good but we cannot expect the receptions to just increase just because he is a better QB - if the line does not give him the time he will not complete any passes - this is really a fairly simple concept - the QB will only be as successful as the players around him enable him to be

A good QB is only as good as the rest of the supporting cast. If the rest of the offense does not work then he will look pretty ineffective - he might even be as bad (or as good) as the one we had last week

"I got's to laff at that".........

Tell me one receiver in this league that is top-flight or a pro bowler catching 1, 2, 3, or no balls a game???

It's not about the number of receptions improving, it's about them even getting a shot. Name the QBs in this league that are Brunell's age and as banged up as he is, handling his business.

Also, other teams are going down field and their blocking ain't no better than ours. Hell, look at Peyton Manning, he get's rid of the ball so quick alot of times, that his blocking doesn't even matter......

The WR still can't catch it if it's not thrown to them. Brunell wasn't even looking deep most of the time, and we haven't seen Campbell yet

roybus14 wrote:Also, other teams are going down field and their blocking ain't no better than ours. Hell, look at Peyton Manning, he get's rid of the ball so quick alot of times, that his blocking doesn't even matter......

Sure. That is why he ended up almost decapitated by P. Daniels against us.

Do you remember (or ever watched) Archie Manning play? He was as good or better than his two kids. But he played for the awful Saints at that time. He had virtually no OL there. He got every bone and muscle in his body hurt. He could and would have had a fantastic career almost everywhere else.

Redskin in Canada wrote:almost everywhere else.

roybus14 wrote:...It's not about the number of receptions improving, it's about them even getting a shot.
Also, other teams are going down field and their blocking ain't no better than ours. Hell, look at Peyton Manning, he get's rid of the ball so quick alot of times, that his blocking doesn't even matter......

I have been really looking forward to seeing Campbell play but now the excitement is just too much. You and 1niksder have me really looking forward to actually seeing our new passing game. Comparing to players like Manning already and he has not even played a NFL game yet - this is better than I expected - cannot wait

I'm not comparing him to anyone yet, and I too can't wait to see what he can do.

I hope he does a lot of this.

Redskin in Canada wrote:

roybus14 wrote:Also, other teams are going down field and their blocking ain't no better than ours. Hell, look at Peyton Manning, he get's rid of the ball so quick alot of times, that his blocking doesn't even matter......

Sure. That is why he ended up almost decapitated by P. Daniels against us.

Do you remember (or ever watched) Archie Manning play? He was as good or better than his two kids. But he played for the awful Saints at that time. He had virtually no OL there. He got every bone and muscle in his body hurt. He could and would have had a fantastic career almost everywhere else.

Yeah, I remember...... But do you remember the 3rd quarter??? He smoked us....

1niksder wrote:The WR still can't catch it if it's not thrown to them. Brunell wasn't even looking deep most of the time, and we haven't seen Campbell yet

Brunell was throwing last year's passes in this year's scheme...and I noticed more than once: When the called play broke down due to defensive pressure, the WR's seemed hesitant to just get open any way they could to give the man a target...and he seemed to become accustomed to that. I joked that Jurassic Mark's first guy on checkdown was the sideline, and that they ought to include those as completions.
His passer rating would be the high 80's, I promise you.
I will say this, to show that I do try to credit those who deserve it: This group of guys, in a more complete offense, would rival any four receiver set in football in the last ten years, including those great Rams teams.

The future is rumored to be now

Getting back to the main topic, it does not matter if it is the Qb's fault, or the O-lines fault. The fact is that the WR's, even Moss this year, are not getting the looks they need. You cannot say this is because of the receivers. If a receiver gets thrown to under 3 times a game, the chances of him have 7-8 catches is pretty slim. Don't discount the WR's we have (but you can discount the rest of the offense).

I still think Brandon Lloyd is very talented as so is Patten-if he can stay healthy. Randle El is a solid slot receiver and I don't even need to mention ey or Moss.

I guess the bottom line is we can only evaluate the WRs on the opportunities they've had... I don't remember any big dropped passes (ala T.O.) I know ey had one and so did Santana, but overall I think they've been very dependable when given the oppotunity... can't ask for a lot more than that... that's probably the last area on the team that needs attention for sure...

Our WR's are going to blossom if JC can get even a small handle on this offense. Next year is surely going to be the treat.

What I really hope is that our WR's make themselves available to JC as much as possible. Id like to see JC gain 10x the familiarity with our guys, especially in this timing based offense. I hope to see everyone at OTA's, Mini and Traning camp and putting in some extra effort. I hope that Gibbs runs them ragged because that going easy on people crap didnt work for us.

Our whole offense has been bad this year, not just the receivers but the OL and the running backs. Maybe we should have given more credence to the statements about taking a year for Saunders offensive schemes to become fully effective.

This has been a bad year from the start. A number of our more important players have been hurt on both the offense and defense. Offensively, Portis is hurt and Brunell was not as effective as should have been. At least there is a bright spot in this, now Portis has almost a year to heal and Campbell will have had a half a year of real game experience. If he lives up to his potential, we will be better off for the future.

I can live with the rest of the year as a learning experience with Campbell in and knowing that Portis will be back healthier at the beginning of next year. I don't like it but I can live with it!

aswas71788 wrote:Our whole offense has been bad this year, not just the receivers but the OL and the running backs. Maybe we should have given more credence to the statements about taking a year for Saunders offensive schemes to become fully effective.

The O-line hasn't only given up 12 sacks in 9 games that's not bad past blocking when the defense knows the running game isn't 100%.

aswas71788 wrote:This has been a bad year from the start. A number of our more important players have been hurt on both the offense and defense. Offensively, Portis is hurt and Brunell was not as effective as should have been. At least there is a bright spot in this, now Portis has almost a year to heal and Campbell will have had a half a year of real game experience. If he lives up to his potential, we will be better off for the future.

That's all well and good but 2006 isn't over yet and it's a lot of games to play. If we can stay healthy down the stretch anything can happen. The Gints are starting to lose players each week to injury, TtiT is beat up and TO can stay focused

aswas71788 wrote:I can live with the rest of the year as a learning experience with Campbell in and knowing that Portis will be back healthier at the beginning of next year. I don't like it but I can live with it!

I'll live with this in the off-season, or at least wait until I've seen the team with a fully healthy backfield, the defense healthy and a couple of NFC battles.

aswas71788 wrote:Our whole offense has been bad this year, not just the receivers but the OL and the running backs. Maybe we should have given more credence to the statements about taking a year for Saunders offensive schemes to become fully effective.

This has been a bad year from the start. A number of our more important players have been hurt on both the offense and defense. Offensively, Portis is hurt and Brunell was not as effective as should have been. At least there is a bright spot in this, now Portis has almost a year to heal and Campbell will have had a half a year of real game experience. If he lives up to his potential, we will be better off for the future.

I can live with the rest of the year as a learning experience with Campbell in and knowing that Portis will be back healthier at the beginning of next year. I don't like it but I can live with it!

Finally, someone who posts the truth. To have a god passing game, you need a good running game.