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Breaking News: Saddam Gets Death Sentence

Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 9:55 am
by Jake
Saddam Hussein Convicted, Receives Death Sentence
By HAMZA HENDAWI, AP

BAGHDAD, Iraq (Nov. 5) - Saddam Hussein was convicted and sentenced Sunday to hang for crimes against humanity in the 1982 killings of 148 people in a single Shiite town, as the ousted leader, trembling and defiant, shouted "God is great!"

As he, his half brother and another senior official in his regime were convicted and sentenced to death by the Iraqi High Tribunal, Saddam yelled out, "Long live the people and death to their enemies. Long live the glorious nation, and death to its enemies!" Later, his lawyer said the former dictator had called on Iraqis to reject sectarian violence and refrain from revenge against U.S. forces.

The trial brought Saddam and his co-defendants before their accusers in what was one of the most highly publicized and heavily reported trials of its kind since the Nuremberg tribunals for members of Adolf Hitler's Nazi regime and its slaughter of 6 million Jews in the World War II Holocaust

"The verdict placed on the heads of the former regime does not represent a verdict for any one person. It is a verdict on a whole dark era that has was unmatched in Iraq's history," Nouri al-Maliki, Iraq's Shiite prime minister, said.

Some feared the verdicts could exacerbate the sectarian violence that has pushed the country to the brink of civil war, after a trial that stretched over nine months in 39 sessions and ended nearly 3 1/2 months ago. Clashes immediately began Sunday in north Baghdad's heavily Sunni Azamiyah district. Elsewhere in the capital, celebratory gunfire rang out.

"This government will be responsible for the consequences, with the deaths of hundreds, thousands or even hundreds of thousands, whose blood will be shed," Salih al-Mutlaq, a Sunni political leader, told the Al-Arabiya satellite television station.

Saddam and his seven co-defendants were on trial for a wave of revenge killings carried out in the city of Dujail following a 1982 assassination attempt on the former dictator. Al-Maliki's Islamic Dawa party, then an underground opposition, has claimed responsibility for organizing the attempt on Saddam's life.

In the streets of Dujail, a Tigris River city of 84,000, people celebrated and burned pictures of their former tormentor as the verdict was read.

Saddam's chief lawyer Khalil al-Dulaimi condemned the trial as a "farce," claiming the verdict was planned. He said defense attorneys would appeal within 30 days.

The death sentences automatically go to a nine-judge appeals panel, which has unlimited time to review the case. If the verdicts and sentences are upheld, the executions must be carried out within 30 days.

A court official told The Associated Press that the appeals process was likely to take three to four weeks once the formal paperwork was submitted.

During Sunday's hearing, Saddam initially refused the chief judge's order to rise; two bailiffs pulled the ousted ruler to his feet and he remained standing through the sentencing, sometimes wagging his finger at the judge.

Before the session began, one of Saddam's lawyers, former U.S. Attorney General Ramsey Clark, was ejected from the courtroom after handing the judge a memorandum in which he called the trial a travesty.

Chief Judge Raouf Abdul-Rahman pointed to Clark and said in English, "Get out."

In addition to the former Iraqi dictator and Barzan Ibrahim, his former intelligence chief and half brother, the Iraqi High Tribunal convicted and sentenced Awad Hamed al-Bandar, the head of Iraq's former Revolutionary Court, to death by hanging. Iraq's former Vice President Taha Yassin Ramadan was convicted of premeditated murder and sentenced to life in prison.

Three defendants were sentenced to 15 years in prison for torture and premeditated murder. Abdullah Kazim Ruwayyid and his son Mizhar Abdullah Ruwayyid were party officials Dujail, along with Ali Dayih Ali. They were believed responsible for the Dujail arrests.

Mohammed Azawi Ali, a former Dujail Baath Party official, was acquitted for lack of evidence and immediately freed.

He faces additional charges in a separate case over an alleged massacre of Kurdish civilians - a trial that will continue while appeals are pending.

The guilty verdict is likely to enrage hard-liners among Saddam's fellow Sunnis, who made up the bulk of the former ruling class. The country's majority Shiites, who were persecuted under the former leader but now largely control the government, will likely view the outcome as a cause of celebration.

Al-Dulaimi, Saddam's lawyer, told AP his client called on Iraqis to reject sectarian violence and called on them to refrain from taking revenge on U.S. invaders.

"His message to the Iraqi people was 'pardon and do not take revenge on the invading nations and their people'," al-Dulaimi said, quoting Saddam. "The president also asked his countrymen to 'unify in the face of sectarian strife."'

In Tikrit, Saddam's hometown, 1,000 people defied the curfew and carried pictures of the city's favorite son through the streets. Some declared the court a product of the U.S. "occupation forces" and condemned the verdict.

"By our souls, by our blood we sacrifice for you Saddam" and "Saddam your name shakes America."

U.S. Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad issued a statement saying the verdicts "demonstrate the commitment of the Iraqi people to hold them (Saddam and his co-defendants) accountable."

"Although the Iraqis may face difficult days in the coming weeks, closing the book on Saddam and his regime is an opportunity to unite and build a better future," Khalilzad said.

U.S. officials associated with the tribunal said Saddam's repeated courtroom outbursts during the nine-month trial may have played a key part in his conviction.

They cited his admission in a March 1 hearing that he had ordered the trial of 148 Shiites who were eventually executed, insisting that doing so was legal because they were suspected in the assassination attempt against him. "Where is the crime? Where is the crime?" he asked, standing before the panel of five judges.

Later in the same session, he argued that his co-defendants must be released and that because he was in charge, he alone must be tried. His outburst came a day after the prosecution presented a presidential decree with a signature they said was Saddam's approval for death sentences for the 148 Shiites, their most direct evidence against him.

About 50 of those sentenced by the "Revolutionary Court" died during interrogation before they could go to the gallows. Some of those hanged were children.

"Every time they (defendants) rose and spoke, they provided a lot of incriminating evidence," said one of the U.S. officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the subject.

Under Saddam, Iraq's bureaucracy showed a consistent tendency to document orders, policies and minutes of meetings. That, according to the U.S. officials, helped the prosecution produce more than 30 documents that clearly established the chain of command under Saddam.

One document gave the names of everyone from Dujail banished to a desert detention camp in southern Iraq. Another, prepared by an aide to Saddam, gave the president a detailed account of the punitive measures against the people of Dujail following the failed assassination attempt.

Saddam's trial had from the outset appeared to reflect the turmoil and violence in Iraq since the 2003 U.S.-led invasion.

One of Saddam's lawyers was assassinated the day after the trial's opening session last year. Two more were later assassinated and a fourth fled the country.

In January, chief judge Rizgar Amin, a Kurd, resigned after complaints by Shiite politicians that he had failed to keep control of court proceedings. He, in turn, complained of political interference in the trial. Abdul-Rahman, another Kurd, replaced Amin.

Hearings were frequently disrupted by outbursts from Saddam and Ibrahim, with the two raging against what they said was the illegitimacy of the court, their ill treatment in the U.S.-run facility where they are being held and the lack of protection for their lawyers.

The defense lawyers contributed to the chaos in the courtroom by staging several boycotts.


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Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 3:29 pm
by dnpmakkah
I don't know if Saddam deserves this or not since I do not know the circumstances of his crimes. However, I will not celebrate the death of any human being guilty or not. I am not free of sin therefore I will not be the one to say another deserves death.

I find it ironic that Bush who he himself is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people can proudly judge Saddam.

Posted: Sun Nov 05, 2006 6:32 pm
by 0421kidwell
I DON'T LIKE BUSH, HOWEVER I WAS IN IRAQ AND I SAW HOW SADDAM LIVED COMPARED TO HIS PEOPLE, AND HE CONSTANTELY TOURTURED THE KURDS I TALKED TO THE KURDS AND THEY HATE THAT MAN. SADDAM GOT WHAT HE DESERVED, HES THE SAME AS HITLER AND MISOLVIC IN MY OPINION. CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY AND KILLING MASS AMOUNTS OF PEOPLE. YOUR DESERVE TO DIE! I AM HAPPY THIS MAN IS BEING PUT TO DEATH. MCVEIGH, AND IF BIN LADEN IS FOUND DEATH TO ALL TERRORISTS AND TYRANTS!

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 2:09 am
by air_hog
Good, except I think cutting off his legs and dropping him in the middle of nowhere in Ariona would be more suitable.

But I'll take the death penalty.

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 10:54 am
by JPFair
What a coincidence that the trial ended so long ago and the verdict/sentence is announced right before the mid-term elections!! WHAT A COINCIDENCE!!! Or is it?

The next thing we know, they'll miraculously find Osama Bin Laden right before the 2008 Presidential election!!

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 5:01 pm
by dnpmakkah
air_hog wrote:Good, except I think cutting off his legs and dropping him in the middle of nowhere in Ariona would be more suitable.

But I'll take the death penalty.
Are you an Iraqi? Did Saddam personally effect you in some way? Thats a lot of hate you have there for one man. You seem to want to cause him a great deal of pain. Or maybe you have been sucked into the hype machine that is the U.S. government and everytime you see Saddam you equate it with evil, even though you have no concept or experience of his 'so-called' atrocities.

It's ironic that you want to torchure a man because you think he was evil. The sin of vengence---isn't it great?

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 6:33 pm
by air_hog
dnpmakkah wrote:
air_hog wrote:Good, except I think cutting off his legs and dropping him in the middle of nowhere in Ariona would be more suitable.

But I'll take the death penalty.
Are you an Iraqi? Did Saddam personally effect you in some way? Thats a lot of hate you have there for one man. You seem to want to cause him a great deal of pain. Or maybe you have been sucked into the hype machine that is the U.S. government and everytime you see Saddam you equate it with evil, even though you have no concept or experience of his 'so-called' atrocities.

It's ironic that you want to torchure a man because you think he was evil. The sin of vengence---isn't it great?


Now I want to torture him more.

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 9:56 pm
by dnpmakkah
air_hog wrote:Now I want to torture him more.
Mwahahahaha. Go for it.

Posted: Mon Nov 06, 2006 10:28 pm
by tcwest10
I'm sure Saddam would appreciate the benefit of the doubt that you're willing to extend to him.
Why don't you prepare the guestroom in your home for him, so you two can discuss the vagaries of sin over coffee on rainy mornings?

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 5:53 am
by crazyhorse1
tcwest10 wrote:I'm sure Saddam would appreciate the benefit of the doubt that you're willing to extend to him.
Why don't you prepare the guestroom in your home for him, so you two can discuss the vagaries of sin over coffee on rainy mornings?


I don't want either Saddam or Bush in my home. May they both get what they deserve in the hereafter.

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 12:48 pm
by dnpmakkah
tcwest10 wrote:I'm sure Saddam would appreciate the benefit of the doubt that you're willing to extend to him.
Why don't you prepare the guestroom in your home for him, so you two can discuss the vagaries of sin over coffee on rainy mornings?
Explain to me again how Saddam is any different than Bush? I'll try to keep a straight face when reading your input. What makes one man any better than the other?

Do you judge them on the amount of people killed? Because Bush wins that hands down. Do you judge them on how much instability they have caused to a group of people? Bush wins that too. Do you talk about illegal wars/invasions? Another win for your beloved Bush. Maybe one who torchures/punishes people? Ooops both men do that....Abu Garib and Guantanamo comes to mind along with the countless other 'underground' holding cells.

So tell me again...why does Saddam deserve to die yet Bush is not held accountable for? And what did Saddam do to YOU personally that you wish to see him punished. What crimes did he commit against you? I take it there was no crime committed against you.

Maybe you want to see justice served because you feel bad for the Iraqi people who had to endure his reign of terror. Well do you feel bad for the Iraqi people NOW who under Bush's order have to go through hell everyday unlike they have ever faced EVEN UNDER SADDAM? Well what is it? Do you hate Saddam because he is evil or do you hate Saddam because Bush tells you to do so?

No need to answer I think I know it already.

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 1:34 pm
by JansenFan
I don't believe he said anything of his feelings about Bush. TC only said that if you have these warm fuzzy feeling for the man, why don't you bring him into your home.

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 3:28 pm
by dnpmakkah
JansenFan wrote:I don't believe he said anything of his feelings about Bush. TC only said that if you have these warm fuzzy feeling for the man, why don't you bring him into your home.
Speaking realistically since that is what I try to do....how do you suggest I go about doing this. How do I welcome Saddam into my home? No really I would like to hear a solution to this ordeal that I am going through. Do you know of how I can extend an invitation to him? No I didn't think so.

So anyways can somebody tell me again why Saddam deserves death but Bush doesn't? Also can someone tell me again why so many Americans hate Saddam when he caused NO harm to Americans? You see no one can answer this question logically.

Anyone remember Michael Moores film about the 9/11 attacks. They showed several clips of Bush saying "smoke em out" just like the old cowboy flicks. This is what the American population who support this war and Saddams death has become. They grew up on too many movies and have no clue of reality. These types of people think the U.S. is never in the wrong. Its so embarassing. America is sooo heading in the wrong direction. You can already tell by the way the world opinion has a distasteful image of the U.S. I've never experienced a time in my life when it wasn't safe for Americans to travel ANYWHERE. That should tell you something shouldn't it?

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 3:31 pm
by JansenFan
Realistically speaking, it wasn't my suggestion, and, as you probably know, was probably intended as a bit of social commentary on your stance than an actual suggestion.

But again, it wasn't my suggestion, so you'll have to talk to TC, so I'll let him speak for himself.

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 3:40 pm
by REDEEMEDSKIN
dnpmakkah wrote:I've never experienced a time in my life when it wasn't safe for Americans to travel ANYWHERE. That should tell you something shouldn't it?


So this is all about YOU not being able to make plans for a family cruise through the Middle East? And you claim Bush is selfish. :roll:

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 3:42 pm
by dnpmakkah
JansenFan wrote:Realistically speaking, it wasn't my suggestion, and, as you probably know, was probably intended as a bit of social commentary on your stance than an actual suggestion.

But again, it wasn't my suggestion, so you'll have to talk to TC, so I'll let him speak for himself.
Yes I know it was 'commentary'. So was me asking. My point isn't to extend a peace offering to Saddam. I just don't understand why Americans want to see him punished. I can understand the Iraqi people being happy/unhappy but what do Americans get out of it. They look stupid in celebrating this.

It makes no sense whatsoever. He did no harm to the U.S. and was never even a threat. Yet people on here are glad over the verdict. Of course some of you might say he deserved it because he killed his own people. So then I ask you if the Iraqi people mean so much to you why do you not want to punish those who are to blame for the ordeal they are currently going through...led by Bush himself?

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 3:44 pm
by JansenFan
Since I do not agree with the basic premise of your post, I cannot answer you.

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 3:46 pm
by dnpmakkah
REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:
dnpmakkah wrote:I've never experienced a time in my life when it wasn't safe for Americans to travel ANYWHERE. That should tell you something shouldn't it?


So this is all about YOU not being able to make plans for a family cruise through the Middle East? And you claim Bush is selfish. :roll:
I would actually have no problem going anywhere my friend. I am Middle-Eastern therefore I will not run into any problems except from strong fisted goverment crackdowns against Arab people....yes we live in a free world. :roll:

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 3:47 pm
by dnpmakkah
JansenFan wrote:Since I do not agree with the basic premise of your post, I cannot answer you.
Ok but you can at least answer why it is you support the death of Saddam can't you?

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 3:54 pm
by REDEEMEDSKIN
dnpmakkah wrote:The rest of the world has NO problems with Arabs...


Well, not against all Arabs, certainly. But I'd find it hard to believe that people in London, Madrid, Bali, NYC, would enjoy afternoon tea with your friendly neighborhood radical muslim.

Then again, radical muslims (the violent type) aren't a "problem" to most countries until they cause terror on their own soil. My 2 cents

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 3:54 pm
by Irn-Bru
If you want an attempt at a straight answer, dnpmakkah, I'll try one. However, keep in mind that I'm not saying anything about Bush or the war or anything else with this.

I believe the reason that Americans are 'celebrating' the death sentence for Saddam is the same reason that they would have 'celebrated' Hitler's death.

The average American was not one of the Jews, homosexuals, Christians, or other minority in Europe that Hitler set about to murder, but the American 'celebration' over Hitler's death was a vicarious experience based on the fact that he was a mass murderer.

The idea is that justice is being done, which is a reason for any human--whether persecuted or not--to be happy.

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 3:56 pm
by JansenFan
Irn-Bru wrote:If you want an attempt at a straight answer, dnpmakkah, I'll try one. However, keep in mind that I'm not saying anything about Bush or the war or anything else with this.

I believe the reason that Americans are 'celebrating' the death sentence for Saddam is the same reason that they would have 'celebrated' Hitler's death.

The average American was not one of the Jews, homosexuals, Christians, or other minority in Europe that Hitler set about to murder, but the American 'celebration' over Hitler's death was a vicarious experience based on the fact that he was a mass murderer.

The idea is that justice is being done, which is a reason for any human--whether persecuted or not--to be happy.


You beat me to it, but this about sums it up.

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 3:56 pm
by dnpmakkah
REDEEMEDSKIN wrote:
dnpmakkah wrote:The rest of the world has NO problems with Arabs...


Well, not against all Arabs, certainly. But I'd find it hard to believe that people in London, Madrid, Bali, NYC, would enjoy afternoon tea with your friendly neighborhood radical muslim.

Then again, radical muslims (the violent type) aren't a "problem" to most countries until they cause terror on their own soil. My 2 cents
Yes this is true.

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 4:08 pm
by dnpmakkah
Irn-Bru wrote:If you want an attempt at a straight answer, dnpmakkah, I'll try one. However, keep in mind that I'm not saying anything about Bush or the war or anything else with this.

I believe the reason that Americans are 'celebrating' the death sentence for Saddam is the same reason that they would have 'celebrated' Hitler's death.

The average American was not one of the Jews, homosexuals, Christians, or other minority in Europe that Hitler set about to murder, but the American 'celebration' over Hitler's death was a vicarious experience based on the fact that he was a mass murderer.

The idea is that justice is being done, which is a reason for any human--whether persecuted or not--to be happy.
I can accept this answer and for the most part I knew it already.

However, the second part of my question is what about the Iraqi people now? Do you not want to see justice get served completely? They are going through an aweful lot as we speak. More of them are dying then ever before. Who is to blame for it? Let me guess you want to blame the extremist and terrorist right? But at what point do you blame the American goverment and Bush? Do you ever blame the U.S. or would it seem unpatriotic for you to do so.

Of course I already the answer. You don't think America or Bush is at fault. You will never see/acknowlege/understand the harm Bush has caused is equal if not greater than any other being alive today. More people have died been injured or displaced due to Bush than anybody else since Hitler and I don't think I am being unrealistic when I say that.

Posted: Tue Nov 07, 2006 4:20 pm
by air_hog
dnpmakkah wrote:
tcwest10 wrote:I'm sure Saddam would appreciate the benefit of the doubt that you're willing to extend to him.
Why don't you prepare the guestroom in your home for him, so you two can discuss the vagaries of sin over coffee on rainy mornings?
Explain to me again how Saddam is any different than Bush? I'll try to keep a straight face when reading your input. What makes one man any better than the other?

Do you judge them on the amount of people killed? Because Bush wins that hands down. Do you judge them on how much instability they have caused to a group of people? Bush wins that too. Do you talk about illegal wars/invasions? Another win for your beloved Bush. Maybe one who torchures/punishes people? Ooops both men do that....Abu Garib and Guantanamo comes to mind along with the countless other 'underground' holding cells.

So tell me again...why does Saddam deserve to die yet Bush is not held accountable for? And what did Saddam do to YOU personally that you wish to see him punished. What crimes did he commit against you? I take it there was no crime committed against you.

Maybe you want to see justice served because you feel bad for the Iraqi people who had to endure his reign of terror. Well do you feel bad for the Iraqi people NOW who under Bush's order have to go through hell everyday unlike they have ever faced EVEN UNDER SADDAM? Well what is it? Do you hate Saddam because he is evil or do you hate Saddam because Bush tells you to do so?

No need to answer I think I know it already.


I hate Saddam because he is a filthy, coward terrorist who does something absoultly retarted and then he goes and hides a fricken cave underground for like 6 months.

And I don't hate Iraqi's or Muslims, I hate terrorists.

And I don't listen to Bush. I'm 17 years old and I don't give a crap about politics.

Saddam is filthy little coward who believes in some retarded myth about Allah (and I'm not trying to offend any muslims and/or their religion), but he believes "Allah wants me to kill Americans, he told me so" and crap like that.

And if you were Bush, you would have done the same thing by going to war; unless your a pussy.

I mean, if someone spit in your face (unless it was Sean Taylor), would fight back.

Duh.

So there was no way Bush could just take it and sit there after these filthy terroist committed a retarted act such as bombing the World Trade center and not do anything about it.

And unlike Saddam, Bush did go in there with the idea to kill innocent people like Saddam. He went in there to get Saddam and all his stupid little friends who are hidding in caves.