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You know what I do like about Gibbs in the face of this losing. That he is man enough to stand up there and take the blame himself. He doesn't run from it, try to pinpoint it on someone else, doesn't blame the players, he takes it like a man. Whether were winning or losing he takes it like a man and you have to respect that.

that is certainly a fine trait, but there's a difference between accepting blame and being accountable. it doesn't really matter if he accepts the blame but won't do anything about the problems that need correcting, and there's no one there to make him.

it isn't a good idea to have a head coach/GM that has NO accountability. being a coach/GM is already a ton of power, but at least most others like that have to answer to the owner. our owner worships gibbs, so he can just do anything he wants for whatever reason he wants.

now, this does work out well many times, obviously. i'm not saying joe shouldn't be allowed to decide anything. but some of the personnel moves this offseason, and obviously the ongoing brunell debacle, shows that SOME qualified person (read: not snyder/cerrato) needs to be able to overrule some things there.

Joe is pretty sharp. He probably has it written into his contract that if Snyder/Cerrato cross a line, they have to participate in two-a-days the next summer.

We need a GM who actually can devote their time to evaluating talent....Cerrato is a moron.

The Hogster wrote:We need a GM who actually can devote their time to evaluating talent....Cerrato is a moron.

I agree, there are certain things about whats going on I know but am not going to say just because my friend works for the Skins and this will be a continuing problem, if u want to know what it is u can privately message me and I will tell u but I don't wanna make this public. U should understand I don't wanna to get my friend in trouble, Its about personall decisions and stuff.

die cowboys die wrote:that is certainly a fine trait, but there's a difference between accepting blame and being accountable. it doesn't really matter if he accepts the blame but won't do anything about the problems that need correcting, and there's no one there to make him.

Who says he has not done anything??? He might not have taken a measure you see as crucial but you heard B. Lloyd.

Nobody can force a head coach to do anything. That is why they are HEAD coaches. They are kept or fired. You have taken a stand on that and so have we on the other side.

John Manfreda wrote:You know what I do like about Gibbs in the face of this losing. That he is man enough to stand up there and take the blame himself. He doesn't run from it, try to pinpoint it on someone else, doesn't blame the players, he takes it like a man. Whether were winning or losing he takes it like a man and you have to respect that.

Agreed. But I have to admit that I am starting to get a visceral reaction to hearing Coach Gibbs use certain phrases over and over and over. Example: "Our players sure fought their guts out." Or "We're gonna find out what we're made of."

Those types of expressions trigger the same type of reaction in me as hearing the words "coach 'em up" or "pitch and catch".

Coach Gibbs is a hero. But I wish he would hire a poet coach so that he could speak with more eloquence and variation!

Remember the movie Bull Durham. The catcher told the young rookie with the killer arm what to say to the media. It's basically the same thing here with Gibbs. Never give the media anything. Talk but never say anything...

I personally think that this is not the same Joe Gibbs as the one that was here in the glory days. I saw it over and over again in the glory days, this team coming out at halftime and smoking people. He was the master of making adjustments and correcting mistakes like penalties, in his first go around. Now, he just looks disconnected and lost sometimes. Like his mind may be in it but not his heart.

I know that he is not a "rah-rah" type of guy but he was "smarter than the average bear" when it came to coaching and adjusting. I've heard people on talk radio around here question his demeanor on the sideline and even suggested that when he refused to look at Novak's game-winning FG, that that could send a message to his team that because he can't bear to look, he doesn't have confidence in them. That's their opinion on that and I could care less if he looked or not.

Should he step down or be fired. Maybe, maybe not. But one thing is for sure though, if he does not right this ship now, the legacy that he doesn't want to be tarnished, will be. Poor personnel decisions; unusual loyalty to a QB that is well past his prime; inability to make adjustments at halftime; apparent lack of discipline with the players. The list could go on and on. He, not GW or Al Saunders or the players is going to be remembered as the HOF Coach that came back to a game that has passed him by.

roybus wrote:[Gibbs] . . . is going to be remembered as the HOF Coach that came back to a game that has passed him by.

Lenny P, is that you?

^^^ good question FFA

Hey guys - like the man said - "it ain't over, 'till the fat lady sings"

SkinsJock wrote:^^^ good question FFA

Hey guys - like the man said - "it ain't over, 'till the fat lady sings"

Like you, I've been on the bandwagon this whole time, and I don't plan on getting off until we finally make that crash with hard reality at about 8 losses. Until then, although it depends on the math down the stretch, the Redskins are still in it. If we can beat the Cowboys this week, there's every reason to think that we can build off that momentum and take Philly and Tampa. All of the sudden we'll be at 5-5, a game better than we were last year before making our 5-0 run.

John Manfreda wrote:You know what I do like about Gibbs in the face of this losing. That he is man enough to stand up there and take the blame himself. He doesn't run from it, try to pinpoint it on someone else, doesn't blame the players, he takes it like a man. Whether were winning or losing he takes it like a man and you have to respect that.

Yes, but does he learn from his mistakes? I don't think he does because he keeps running Brunell out there. He's addicted to him somehow.

I think that Gibbs knows who has the more talent and he would love to have access to the potential that Campbell offers but for some silly, stupid, out of touch with the present NFL reason he keeps putting Brunell out there.

None of us can believe he is not seeing what we are seeing


We have the possibility of going 5-5 and that stupid coach of ours will probably even start him in week 12 against Carolina

Be fun to watch the really classy FedEx fans booing Brunell at home as some here have been trying to get organized and a lot here are supporting


Why are we so upset at Brunell - Gibbs is to blame - and if you state that Gibbs does not know what he is doing then you need help. I do not mind anyone questioning anyone for play calling or decisions made BUT I do take offense to those who say they know that Gibbs is not a good NFL coach anymore. You are entititled to think it but you have to qualify it as your opinion because that is what it is and that shows us what you know and what you think.

I would probably be very surprised at who you think might be doing a better job here.

cleg wrote:

John Manfreda wrote:You know what I do like about Gibbs in the face of this losing. That he is man enough to stand up there and take the blame himself. He doesn't run from it, try to pinpoint it on someone else, doesn't blame the players, he takes it like a man. Whether were winning or losing he takes it like a man and you have to respect that.

Yes, but does he learn from his mistakes? I don't think he does because he keeps running Brunell out there. He's addicted to him somehow.

We don't know what he is going to do next year? He might and put JC as the starter.

Irn-Bru wrote:

roybus wrote:[Gibbs] . . . is going to be remembered as the HOF Coach that came back to a game that has passed him by.

Lenny P, is that you?

Naw.....

People were making a big deal out of Gibbs talking about stopping for the fans along the road when they were heading out to Indy and how he was going to pay them back.

How about this Coach: pay the fans back by putting the #8 horse back in the stable or out to "stud" and put in the young thoroughbred #17 to see what he can do.

Square on the mark, FFA, and the rest.

This is the same Joe Gibbs. In the '80's, he would have turned away from a kick. No big deal. The only change is that it used to be Mark Mosely or Ali Haji-Sheik or Chip Lohmiller.

Can anyone remember an emotional Joe Gibbs during a game? No. Same Joe.

And can't anyone remember that oh-so-many people complained, when Gibbs came back, that he was just too tough for today's poor sensitive players?

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Stick with the team. Hail to the Redskins.

welch wrote:
This is the same Joe Gibbs. In the '80's, he would have turned away from a kick. No big deal. The only change is that it used to be Mark Mosely or Ali Haji-Sheik or Chip Lohmiller.

Can anyone remember an emotional Joe Gibbs during a game? No. Same Joe.



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Stick with the team. Hail to the Redskins.

Turning away from a kick and bending over with your heads in your hands does NOT classify as "no big deal." I, for one, think it does show emotion, one of doubt. If your HC doesn't believe in you, who will?

Look at who he DOES believe in...Brunell. Gibbs and many loyalists here are the only ones. I'm really not sure that Mark himself even believes, he's just doing his job to the best of his abilities.

Brandon Lloyd believes in Brunell and by his account, so does the rest of the team. Its only fans that don't have faith in Gibbs and company that don't believe.

JansenFan wrote:Brandon Lloyd believes in Brunell and by his account, so does the rest of the team. Its only fans that don't have faith in Gibbs and company that don't believe.

This very well may be true.

But do you think that a current player would say in a public forum, something like, "Brunell is terrible, nobody on the team has any faith in him, and the whole team can't understand why Coach Gibbs is stiking with him."

Only somebody like T.O. or Shockey would specifically call out a coach or a team mate.

JansenFan wrote:Brandon Lloyd believes in Brunell and by his account, so does the rest of the team. Its only fans that don't have faith in Gibbs and company...

Thanx JF - Count me in! Apart from what a lot of doubters (and the few haters) think, I am one of those fans who are concerned about the play calling and how the players are performing on the field - IMO the players have the ability to play better than we have seen and the coaches have the ability to also improve - I have faith that those things will result in our team being a lot better on the field for the remaining games this season.

I also believe that Gibbs has an intention to position this team at the top of the NFL for many years to come. I think he has deserved a lot better than how some have judged him so far.

SkinsFreak wrote:

JansenFan wrote:Brandon Lloyd believes in Brunell and by his account, so does the rest of the team. Its only fans that don't have faith in Gibbs and company that don't believe.

This very well may be true.

But do you think that a current player would say in a public forum, something like, "Brunell is terrible, nobody on the team has any faith in him, and the whole team can't understand why Coach Gibbs is stiking with him."

Only somebody like T.O. or Shockey would specifically call out a coach or a team mate.

Perhaps not, but I talk to him before the show, during the breaks and after the show, completely off-the-record, and the story does not change or waiver. I have learned things that will never make the air waves, but the support for Brunell does not change.

JansenFan wrote:

SkinsFreak wrote:

JansenFan wrote:Brandon Lloyd believes in Brunell and by his account, so does the rest of the team. Its only fans that don't have faith in Gibbs and company that don't believe.

This very well may be true.

But do you think that a current player would say in a public forum, something like, "Brunell is terrible, nobody on the team has any faith in him, and the whole team can't understand why Coach Gibbs is stiking with him."

Only somebody like T.O. or Shockey would specifically call out a coach or a team mate.

Perhaps not, but I talk to him before the show, during the breaks and after the show, completely off-the-record, and the story does not change or waiver. I have learned things that will never make the air waves, but the support for Brunell does not change.

So, if its off the record why are you posting about it here?

...because "it does not change or waver."