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Personnel Issues: Do we need a GM?

Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:42 pm
by Mursilis
The DC had this article today, which I found interesting. It's become quite clear that this team has issues with personnel, and this explains why. I especially liked the list of lower round draft picks currently playing in the league, while we've traded away 11 picks since Gibbs got back.

http://www.examiner.com/a-365299~Suspect_architect.html

This part was especially interesting:
The Redskins entered the season as the NFL’s oldest team and have 13 starters age 29 and older.

We're going to have a lot of holes to fill in the next few years.

Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 1:58 pm
by Chris Luva Luva
Ill make a quick comment. I know people will say that we dont have a good track record of later round picks but I believe it has more to do with poor scouting personel than the players.

Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:33 pm
by SkinzCanes
There was an article in the Times today that talked about similar issues.

The worst yet to come?

By David Elfin
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
October 27, 2006

The NFL's most disappointing team this season also faces a troubling question about its long-term future: Is the worst yet to come for the Washington Redskins?

The Redskins, who are in their bye week, are 2-5 and meet teams with winning records in seven of their final nine games. The performance of the offense in general and the quarterback in particular has been spotty, and the defense plummeted in league rankings from top 10 to bottom seven.

The future, however, looks even more distressing. The Redskins entered this season as the oldest team in the league, and they'll head into the offseason with few draft picks and little salary cap space to use to make improvements.

The Redskins' rivals in the NFC East -- the Philadelphia Eagles, New York Giants and Dallas Cowboys -- have stockpiled young talent. The Redskins, meanwhile, have stockpiled veterans on the downside of their careers. Their opening day roster consisted of players with an average age of 27.83, the highest in the NFL.

Eight of the Redskins' starters on offense and defense already are thirtysomethings: quarterback Mark Brunell (36), offensive tackle Jon Jansen (30), guard Randy Thomas (30), defensive end Phillip Daniels (33), defensive tackle Joe Salave'a (31), linebackers Marcus Washington (30) and Warrick Holdman (30) and cornerback Shawn Springs (31).
Four other starters -- offensive tackle Chris Samuels, center Casey Rabach, defensive tackle Cornelius Griffin and linebacker Lemar Marshall -- will join them within a year. The flow of rookies into the starting lineup, on the other hand, has been decidedly small: Samuels, guard Derrick Dockery, tight end Chris Cooley, cornerback Carlos Rogers and safety Sean Taylor are the only such players to enter the lineup since 2000.
That list seems all the shorter in comparison to the other teams in the division.

The Eagles start 13 such players, including Pro Bowl cornerback Sheldon Brown and star running back Brian Westbrook. The Cowboys start 12, including Pro Bowl safety Roy Williams and tight end Jason Witten. The Giants start nine, led by quarterback Eli Manning and Pro Bowl tight end Jeremy Shockey.

That trend won't be reversed soon.

The Redskins will have only one or two picks in the first four rounds of next year's draft, depending upon the compensation they are required to give for their preseason trade for running back T.J. Duckett. Their division rivals, meanwhile, are better positioned for the draft. The Cowboys and Giants each have all of their picks in the first four rounds, and the Eagles hold a pick in each of the first three rounds. The Redskins long have operated in such a manner, often to great success. The George Allen line, "the future is now," has served as their motto for nearly four decades, whether Allen, Bobby Beathard, Dan Snyder or Joe Gibbs called the shots in the front office.

The Redskins never believed in losing today to build a better tomorrow. Giants general manager Ernie Accorsi always hates "to see holes" when he looks at his roster of picks for the next draft, but the Redskins generally have traded picks like so many Pokemon cards. Allen drafted only one player before the fourth round in his seven seasons in charge. Beathard traded six of his final seven first-round picks. Snyder, in charge of the 2000, 2002 and 2003 drafts, and Gibbs, who has ruled the front office the past three years, haven't been as trade crazed. Still, their combined six drafts produced only 13 players, five of them starters, on the current roster.

When Gibbs returned to the Redskins in 2004 after an 11-year retirement, he was thrilled by the prospect of working with the unrestricted free agency that began the month he departed the league. A coach who treasured veterans loved being able to bring in proven players as free agents rather than trying to guess how collegians might adjust to the pros.
"I'd hate to think what our team would look like if we weren't active in free agency," Gibbs said this week when asked about the failure of this year's class of free agents.

Gibbs did well with most of the veterans he imported in 2004: Washington made the Pro Bowl that season, and Springs and Griffin should have. Daniels led the team in sacks last year. All four were key starters for the Redskins team that last season ended a five-year playoff drought. The most recent free agent classes (Andre Carter, Brandon Lloyd, Adam Archuleta, et al) so far has been disappointing. In addition to the salary cap-eating contracts, there is a hidden cost to adding such experienced talent. When those players come to the Redskins, they are either hitting their peak (Washington, Griffin) or are on the way down (Brunell, Daniels). And they're not going to give that little extra something in hopes of landing their first mega-millions contract, as a younger player might.

Some scoffed when the Eagles, who possessed elite cornerbacks in Troy Vincent and Bobby Taylor, used first- and second-round picks on corners Lito Sheppard and Sheldon Brown in the 2002 draft. Why not draft a receiver to replace run-of-the-mill starters Todd Pinkston and James Thrash? Two years later, however, Vincent and Taylor had departed and Sheppard and Brown were starting on the Eagles' first Super Bowl team in 24 years. And, for good measure, Sheppard made the Pro Bowl. In contrast, the Redskins had no young offensive linemen on the rise to fill in for injured starters in recent seasons. So when Jansen suffered a season-ending injury in 2004 and Thomas did the same last season, they were replaced by Ray Brown, the oldest lineman to play in the NFL in 75 years. Brown retired in January at 43.

Or compare the Redskins' defense, the team's solid foundation the past two years, to that of the Cowboys. The Dallas defense includes six starters under 27, the Redskins' only two (Taylor and Rogers).

And consider the quarterbacks. Donovan McNabb, who turns 30 next month, is in his prime in his seventh season as the Eagles' main man. Manning, 25, is making giant strides in his second year as New York's full-time starter. Cowboys coach Bill Parcells is gambling that 26-year-old Tony Romo will give the offense the spark that immobile veteran Drew Bledsoe couldn't. Gibbs, however, remains committed to over-the-hill Brunell while Jason Campbell, a first-round draft pick last year, watches and waits.

The more obvious problem with bringing in top-shelf veterans, however, is their cost. Springs, Brunell, Griffin and Daniels alone account for more than $23 million on the Redskins' 2007 salary cap. Taylor, Rogers, Campbell and their top choice in the 2006 draft, linebacker Rocky McIntosh, cost less than $7 million combined. And getting rid of highly paid players has its costs, too. Former linebacker LaVar Arrington counts nearly $8 million against the Redskins' cap this year even though he now plays for the Giants. The Redskins are just $1 million below next year's projected salary cap of $109 million. Their division rivals, again, are in better position: The Eagles ($31 million under the cap), Cowboys ($22 million) and Giants ($16 million) have plenty of money to spend.

So help isn't on the way to Redskin Park anytime soon.

Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:35 pm
by ATV
"But in the six drafts under Cerrato’s guidance, the Redskins have selected 31 players after the first round and of that group, only Cooley is a full-time starter"

OUCH. That should be an easy way to get yourself fired. I never liked Cerrato ever since he was with the 49'ers, chosing marginal talent and mortgaging their future. I wish Snyder would dump him but it's always seemed like they've been attached at the hip.

Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:39 pm
by frankcal20
Not to mention his laugh is terrible.

Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 2:43 pm
by SkinzCanes
The Redskins have traded away 11 draft choices under Gibbs. They have selected 16 players, with nine still on the roster. Of those nine, only three — Sean Taylor, Chris Cooley and Carlos Rogers — are considered full-time starters.

Gibbs supports vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato. But in the six drafts under Cerrato’s guidance, the Redskins have selected 31 players after the first round and of that group, only Cooley is a full-time starter; just eight remain on the roster, including four from this past draft.


That is just absurd. Only 1 full-time starter out of 31 picks???? Also the list of players that we could've had made me want to :puke: Our D would be stacked if we had been able to draft even half of those guys. The one player on that list that I really wish we had was Matt Schaub. He was done really well subbing for Vick and it's only of matter of time until he's a full-time starter somewhere playing at very high level.

Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 4:33 pm
by gibbsfan
in times like this that puts more gray hairs on my head...in looking at that list that made me sick too just to think of the potential players we could of had....
maybe they are attached at the hip afterall....joe sees something that maybe we can.t see. but i don,t know.....

it,s hard to take no doubt about it..

Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 4:38 pm
by Chris Luva Luva
Depressing....and the best part is that its not going to change any time soon.

Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 5:07 pm
by 1niksder
Chris Luva Luva wrote:Depressing....and the best part is that its not going to change any time soon.

So you like being depressed?

Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 5:35 pm
by Chris Luva Luva
1niksder wrote:
Chris Luva Luva wrote:Depressing....and the best part is that its not going to change any time soon.

So you like being depressed?


Sorry, I forgot /sarcasm. :lol:

Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 5:42 pm
by 1niksder
Just Checking.

Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2006 11:53 pm
by aswas71788
One of the reasons Cerrato left/was forced out of the 49ers was his player selection and his destroying the 49ers as a viable team for several years. When he left the 49ers, their salary cap was so devestated that they could not afford decent players. They still have not recoverd and it has been, what, 5 years?
Unfortunately, it looks like business as usual for Cerrato at the Redskins expense.

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 6:48 am
by UK Skins Fan
There are few things more puzzling in this world than why Vinny Cerrato still has a job.

I have no problem with the Redskins trading away some picks, and signing plenty of veteran free agents. But there has to be a balance. The Eagles are perennial contenders because of their great use of the draft and commitment to developing the players they get through that method, but it could be argued that they never actually get over the hump and win the Superbowl, because they don't commit enough resources into signing the veteran free agents that might just tip them over the edge.

I'd certainly like to see the Redskins achieving greater balance in their player acquisition, and that probably can't happen with their current setup. Gibbs is a coach and, as such, he wants players now, that are ready now, and that he doesn't have to wait to develop. We do need somebody to think about 3, 4 and 5 years down the line, because otherwise we are always betting all our chips on one season.

So yes, we do need a GM, and the biggest disappointment to me in Gibbs' second tenure with the Redskins is that he doesn't seem to agree.

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 12:32 pm
by Kentucky Fried Hog
I don't know if simply having a GM would fix all of our problems, I mean, the Texans have a GM and they drafted Mario Williams over Reggie Bush!

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 1:25 pm
by ATV
"the Texans have a GM and they drafted Mario Williams over Reggie Bush!
"

Correction - They HAD a GM. That GM (Charlie Casserly) was given the boot. Accountability. Hey, that reminds me of someone else....

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 3:12 pm
by Kentucky Fried Hog
Correction of the correction - They do indeed have a GM, Rick Smith, the NFL's youngest. Casserly was in charge at the time of the Williams over Bush pick.

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 4:46 pm
by Montana Redskin
If we had a freeking qb that was like McNabb or Manning or anybody that can actually stretch the field, this discussion and the article written wouldn't exist. The discussion and article would center around how smart Gibbs and Snyder are for NOT wasting time on collegian growth and instead going after proven veterans that can go right away.

But instead we suck and thus the discussion.

At this point, yea, there's hindsight 20/20, but the approach isn't absurd as to how the team was built. Was this even a discussion in 04 or 05?

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 4:46 pm
by Montana Redskin
If we had a freeking qb that was like McNabb or Manning or anybody that can actually stretch the field, this discussion and the article written wouldn't exist. The discussion and article would center around how smart Gibbs and Snyder are for NOT wasting time on collegian growth and instead going after proven veterans that can go right away.

But instead we suck and thus the discussion.

At this point, yea, there's hindsight 20/20, but the approach isn't absurd as to how the team was built. Was this even a discussion in 04 or 05?

Posted: Sat Oct 28, 2006 4:55 pm
by Fanforever
Kentucky Fried Hog wrote:I don't know if simply having a GM would fix all of our problems, I mean, the Texans have a GM and they drafted Mario Williams over Reggie Bush!




The truth will not be known as to whether that was a wise choice or not for another few years. On the surface (after seven games) it may seem NO got the better player in Bush, but that remains to be seen, and only time will tell. Much too soon now to make that determination.

Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 12:59 am
by ATV
"They do indeed have a GM"

Well, yea, duh, I didn't mean to imply they were now without one.

I agree, by the way, if we had a better quarterback in there we probably wouldn't even be having this discusion. In a few weeks, months, or years, Jason Campbell is going to lead this team and we will all be wondering what the hell took so long. The Brunnell era will seem like a fuzzy confusing blur.

Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 11:27 am
by TincoSkin
gibbs is essentially morphing into a GM like position. isnt that his plan? to take a more back seat to the field and focus on bringing in the right people?

Posted: Sun Oct 29, 2006 4:21 pm
by SkinzCanes
Great article from today's Washington Post.....

Redskins Pay Price For Moves
Team's Free Agent Focus Is Questioned

By Jason La Canfora
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, October 29, 2006; Page E01

On paper, the moves made perfect sense to the Washington Redskins last winter as they embarked on their annual sweeping foray into the free agent market. Sign a couple of big-name wide receivers, a pass-rush specialist, a hard-hitting safety, then hire an offensive guru and a 10-6 team reaches new heights, maybe even the Super Bowl.

Instead, with the bye week at hand, the Redskins are mired at the bottom of the NFC East with a 2-5 record, three straight losses and scant playoff hopes. The chemistry and momentum born in a six-game winning streak that got Washington into the second round of the 2005 playoffs is gone. And the newcomers acquired with so much fanfare seven months ago have failed to make a positive impact, save for wide receiver Antwaan Randle El.
As the NFL season nears its midpoint, some executives around the league are privately marveling at how, once again, the annual roster overhaul that has characterized the Redskins in the seven years under the ownership of Daniel Snyder has yielded so little except to set new records for player payroll and coaching salaries.

Joe Gibbs, the team's Hall of Fame coach who won three Super Bowls with Washington from 1981 to '92, has repeatedly defended the annual personnel changes, saying the aggressive pursuit of free agents is the best way to build a winning team.

"You can't go back, but I think those decisions were made the right way, they were made for the right reasons," Gibbs said. "And we've got players here and coaches here that can help our football team."

But the Redskins are 19-22 since Gibbs returned from a lengthy retirement before the 2004 season, and their poor start this year could point to deeper problems in the organization -- to its emphasis on free agents over draft picks, its evaluation of talent and, perhaps most centrally, its lack of a general manager with authority to oversee player personnel.

The offense has been erratic in the first seven games under Al Saunders, the former Kansas City Chiefs offensive coordinator whom Gibbs hired in January to bring a new dynamism to the unit.

The players and their new coach are still adjusting to each other. Stalwarts such as tailback Clinton Portis and tight end Chris Cooley have slumped, while questions continue about the ability of 36-year-old quarterback Mark Brunell to execute the new system beyond the short-passing game.

Randle El, who left the Super Bowl champion Pittsburgh Steelers to come to Washington, has been spectacular returning punts, but as the No. 3 wide receiver has been given only a limited window in which to shine. Wide receiver Brandon Lloyd, acquired from San Francisco for two high draft picks to be a complementary deep threat to Pro Bowl wideout Santana Moss, has flopped.

Christian Fauria, signed to be a blocking tight end to bolster the running game, has provided no significant help. Running back T.J. Duckett, acquired when Portis injured his shoulder during the preseason for the steep price of a high third-round draft pick, has carried the ball five times.

Free agent quarterback Todd Collins has yet to take a snap.

On defense, free agent end Andre Carter was supposed to be the energizing pass rusher the Redskins have lacked, yet opposing teams have attacked him in the running game and he has just two sacks. Adam Archuleta, another free agent who was considered a more rugged safety than former starter Ryan Clark, has failed both on the blitz and in pass coverage.

Like Carter, he spent long stretches of last Sunday's 36-22 loss to Indianapolis watching from the sideline.

While the Redskins went after a big-name safety in Archuleta, they signed journeyman Kenny Wright for a veteran-minimum salary as the team's third cornerback.
Wright has been victimized since injuries forced him into a starting role. Meantime, Clark and cornerback Walt Harris are having strong seasons with other teams.

The Redskins outspent every other team in the league in free agency last winter by signing Carter, Archuleta, Lloyd and Randle El to nearly identical contracts worth at least $10 million and up to $30 million apiece over six years. It followed the big-spending pattern set by the franchise in recent years, one that runs counter to that set by successful NFL teams such as Pittsburgh, New England and Philadelphia, which build through the draft and use free agency to supplement their homegrown stars.

"The draft has to be the foundation of your team," said Bobby Beathard, the architect of Washington's Super Bowl clubs as general manager, who declined to speak specifically about the Redskins and only shared his general thoughts about how to assemble a successful team. "Free agency can be very dangerous, and you can't approach it like a kid in a candy store; you have to find a way to show restraint.

"It can be a very destructive force if you don't have self-discipline, and a lot of the time you can end up with somebody else's problems. Eventually, it will catch up to you and disrupt your team. All it takes is one or two mistakes, and you've screwed everything up."

Gibbs Gives Up Calling Shots

Washington's big-spending approach on players was nothing new this past offseason, but the decision to lure Saunders from the Chiefs in January caught many by surprise.

Saunders's hiring was a significant concession by Gibbs, and a considerable gamble as well. Gibbs's legacy was at stake, and it was inconceivable for many around the league to imagine him no longer designing the game plan, calling plays, retaining authority over every detail of the offense.

But Saunders and Gibbs share a mentor, former San Diego head coach Don Coryell, and value the same core offensive principles. They also have known each other for 36 years. When Gibbs flew to Saunders's house to woo him, he emphasized that he would become more like a CEO this season and would be less involved with the offense. In one long evening, they ironed out the arrangement that is paying Saunders $2 million a year to be the Redskins' associate head coach.

"Of all the things they did, that was the most shocking thing to me," said one NFC personnel executive whose team has faced the Redskins numerous times in recent years. "You had to be surprised, because at one time Joe Gibbs was the genius. And there's no doubt that you can still be successful in this league playing Joe Gibbs football. [Heck], they were doing it last year."

Washington's offense had made strides in 2005, with Moss and Portis each setting franchise yardage records. Saunders offered the possibility of an even more explosive offense, Gibbs surmised.

Saunders began teaching his 700-page playbook in the offseason. The coaches used almost none of the new plays in preseason games, however, saying they did not want to reveal too much to opponents. But by doing so they also eliminated the ability for the starters to work through the playbook in game situations.
Players say they have had difficulty understanding and executing the new offense, but the NFC personnel executive said he believed this doesn't explain the problem. "It's not like they've got six or seven rookies starting out there in that offense," said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity. "It shouldn't take half a season to adjust."

Gibbs said he understands being second-guessed on the decision to hand off the offense, but supports Saunders. "I'm absolutely convinced that Al adds a lot to what's going on here," Gibbs said. A big problem, according to some around the NFL, could lie with Brunell.
Saunders's high-powered offenses in Kansas City liked to stretch the field with long passes, but his game plans in Washington have been tailored to what Brunell does best -- throwing short passes. Two general managers said they believed Brunell, not a pure drop-back passer, was a poor fit for Saunders's preferred mode of attack, noting that he appears unwilling or unable to thread passes through tight spots over the middle or throw the ball deep downfield.

"Trace his offense all the way back to Coryell in San Diego and look at the quarterbacks," said a league source with ties to Saunders's system. "You see guys like [Dan] Fouts, [Kurt] Warner, [Trent] Green. That's not Mark Brunell. What they're running right now is not an Al Saunders offense."

While the passing game has lacked punch, the running game also has fallen into decline. The Redskins rushed an average of 37.6 times per game during their five-game winning streak last season, but Portis has carried just 26 times the past two games.

An offense full of playmakers has no one making plays. Even those who once assumed they would be at the heart of the attack, like Ports, wonder where or when they will fit in.

"You start to question whether you're the person for the offense," Portis said. "If everybody was getting the ball and if everybody was doing good, then this offense would be great. But being that we're not, we have that conflict."

Free Spenders

Had NFL owners and the players' union failed to extend their collective bargaining agreement last March, the Redskins would have been forced to purge their roster to fit under a lower-than-anticipated salary cap. Instead, when the agreement was reached on March 8, loud cheers rang through the hallways at Redskins Park, and within days Randle El, Archuleta, Collins, Fauria and Carter arrived in Ashburn and quickly signed contracts with their new team.

The Redskins prized Randle El as a multifaceted weapon on offense and special teams, and had long planned on the Steelers not being able to re-sign him. While several NFL personnel executives scoffed at his salary -- Chicago, the next destination on Randle El's free agent tour, was not prepared to come close to Washington's offer, league sources said -- Randle El has energized the return game this season and contributed big plays on offense.

But Gibbs also wanted a bigger, prototypical outside wide receiver as well after David Patten, a key 2005 free agent signing, missed much of last season after knee surgery.

The front office was enamored of Colts wide receiver Reggie Wayne, but he ended up re-signing with Indianapolis in February. The free agent receiver class was slim -- Terrell Owens was quickly ruled out -- but Lloyd was a player the Redskins planned on being traded by the 49ers.

"At the end of the season my agent told me the Redskins wanted to do the deal regardless of the CBA" extension, Lloyd said. "A handful of other teams were like, 'Oh, we have to see what happens.' "
Washington sent a third-round pick in 2006 and a fourth-round pick in 2007 for Lloyd, a fourth-round pick in 2003, and signed him to the $30 million contract extension. But Lloyd came with a reputation as a potential locker room problem. Two NFC personnel officials said Lloyd was capable of an acrobatic catch, then disappearing from the game.

"It's a strange thing to be [ranked] 32nd on both sides of the ball and still have guys after your players," 49ers Coach Mike Nolan said after the trade.Lloyd has just 11 catches for 164 yards and no touchdowns this season, and was frustrated during last Sunday's loss.

In the meantime, trades involving Lloyd, Duckett and rookie linebacker Rocky McIntosh have left Washington without at least its second, third and fourth round draft picks in 2007.

"They're not going to worry about draft picks," the longtime general manager said of the Redskins. "They just trade 'em."

Not Making Routine Stops

There was a sense inside the Washington organization that it might take time for the offense to jell. But no one imagined the defense -- ranked third in the league in 2004 and ninth last season -- would fall as far as it has; it is ranked 26th in the league in total yardage allowed after seven games.

For two years under assistant head coach Gregg Williams, the defense relied on inventive schemes and elaborate blitzes to stop the ball and pressure the passer. When last season ended, the coaches felt they needed more individual talent -- and they decided Carter was their man.

Defensive ends Darren Howard and Trevor Pryce were available on the free agent market in the offseason, but Washington did not aggressively pursue them and they are currently faring well in Philadelphia and Baltimore, respectively. The New York Jets were seeking to trade John Abraham, and the Redskins brought him to Ashburn for an impromptu visit. But he was a fallback long shot because the Redskins lacked the 2006 first-round pick that the Jets were demanding; they had traded it the year before to position themselves to draft quarterback Jason Campbell.

Carter's only big year came in 2002, when he recorded 12 1/2 sacks. He missed much of 2004 with serious back problems and, one scout said, began to decline in 2005 when he switched to outside linebacker. But the Redskins loved his work ethic and pedigree -- Carter's father, Rubin, was a stellar lineman with Denver and former coach with Washington -- and figured he would blossom under Williams and his staff.

It hasn't worked out that way, at least not yet.

A former teammate, who remains in contact with Carter, said he is not playing with confidence and his technique is suffering since switching positions. "What I've seen is not the Andre Carter I know," said the player, who requested anonymity.

Carter also does not appear comfortable in his new surroundings, leaving Northern California, where he spent most of his life, and moving to Ashburn, the ex-teammate said.
When the Redskins signed Archuleta in March, they made him the highest-paid safety ever. But like Carter, he was years away from his last big season (2003), and had serious disk injuries in 2004, scaring off some teams. Several league executives said Archuleta is best used as an additional linebacker around the line of scrimmage.

"He didn't have a good year last year, either," the longtime general manager said. "He's an in-the-box guy. He's not a good coverage guy. This isn't any different from what he was before."
By signing Archuleta, the Redskins decided that last year's starter at his position, Clark, was expendable. Clark's departure for the Steelers has left a void in the locker room, Redskins players say, and has particularly affected safety Sean Taylor, whose play has faltered this season.

Taylor has had considerable off-field issues since being drafted in 2004 -- including arrests for DUI and felony gun charges (he was convicted of neither) -- and Clark, a devoted family man, was said to be a positive influence.

Taylor would often eat at his house and play video games with Clark's children, team sources said. On the field, Clark had mastered the defense and would talk constantly with Taylor, aligning him, shouting directions, helping him anticipate the next play.

At least two veterans have called Clark this season for suggestions on how to reach Taylor, team sources said, and believe Taylor's problems in coverage and making in-game adjustments are directly related to Clark's departure.

"When you have a guy that's a little bit distant or introverted, sometimes it only takes one out of 53 guys to reach him," said one veteran Redskin, asking that his name not be used. "Ryan was that guy for Sean, and it's a big loss. Now Sean is trying to teach Adam and help him along, but that's not who he is. He's a guy you just need to get pointed in the right direction on the field, make sure he knows his assignment and let him go after the ball."

Clark's agent, Joel Turner, said that had the Redskins offered something close to Pittsburgh's deal -- $7 million over four years with $1.65 million guaranteed -- at any point in the 2005 season, Clark would have remained in Washington. Keeping Clark at that rate also would have given the team additional money under the salary cap to add a top place kicker or linebacker.

Time Is Running Out

Over time, the class of 2006 might rebound -- or it might be remembered as the second coming of the free agent class of 2000, when the team spent millions on Deion Sanders, Mark Carrier, Jeff George and Bruce Smith but had little to show for it on the field. When Gibbs arrived in 2004, high-ranking members of the front office said they had learned from those mistakes.

The Redskins remained wedded to free agency, they said, but were targeting younger players and were more cognizant of intangibles such as attitude and camaraderie. Gibbs said he was looking for "character guys."

"We've always been big in free agency," Gibbs said. "I'd hate to think what the team would look like if we didn't have the free agents we have. Obviously, they're a huge part of what we do here. We've chosen to be active in it."

Some around the league wonder whether the Redskins' formula can work -- and whether the problems with the franchise run deeper.

"You bring in all these guys from different teams every year, but then how do you establish what a 'Redskin' is?" said one former high-ranking official in the Washington organization. "They've been drafted someplace else, were taught to play someplace else. . . . The draft breeds loyalty."

Numerous NFL executives suggested that Washington's front-office structure -- without a strong general manager, with the coach also the team president -- is flawed. That Gibbs, who did not have control over the roster in his first stint as Redskins coach when there was no free agency in the NFL, and Snyder are both so enthralled with free agency that it causes problems, they said.

By going after big-name free agents each March, they are trying to circumvent the growing pains of rebuilding in favor of a quick fix, it being only natural for a head coach to think about the immediate future and not the long term.

"There isn't anyone there who can say no to Joe and say no to Dan when they want to spend that much money every year," the former team official said. "Until they have that person there, I don't think it's really going to turn around."

Snyder has relied on Vinny Cerrato for football decisions since he bought the team in 1999, when he fired incumbent general manager Charley Casserly. When Marty Schottenheimer took over as coach in 2001, he did so only by gaining control of personnel decisions as well; Cerrato was fired. Despite winning eight of his final 11 games, Snyder wanted Schottenheimer to relinquish authority; the coach left at the end of the season and Cerrato returned.

"Dan couldn't wait to bring Vinny back," the former Redskins official said. "He couldn't wait."

Snyder also hired Joe Mendes as vice president of football operations in January 2002. Mendes espoused a more stringent fiscal approach. Steve Spurrier became the head coach, and took the job on the condition that a proven general manager be hired as well. Spurrier pushed for Beathard, sources said. Snyder mulled several options; he hired no one.

The Spurrier period was disastrous, Mendes was let go in the spring of 2003 and Cerrato has been promoted twice since. He is now very close to Snyder. The Redskins have a 38-49 record with Cerrato in the front office, not counting the 1999 team that was set before Snyder took over operations of the franchise, or 2001, when Schottenheimer made the decisions.

Gibbs has been an advocate for Cerrato since arriving in 2004, and when asked last week if he would advocate a change to the front-office structure or any individuals atop his staff, he said no.

"Vinny is someone through this whole process I feel bad for, because Vinny has given everything he's got," Gibbs said. "And I feel bad for Dan, because I know right now Dan feels helpless, and Dan's done his part and you feel bad for those guys."

Given the dynamics between Snyder and Gibbs, the owner's boyhood idol, and the established reliance on free agency, interpersonal relations for any outsider could be tricky, anyway.

"They could change at some point and build through the draft, but I doubt it," the NFC personnel executive said. "They need a GM in there, but Vinny is the owner's right-hand guy, there's no secret about that. I don't know if anyone could come in and really do that job with Joe there and with Vinny there."

Regardless of what transpires in the future, the present is a very uncomfortable place for the Redskins to be. Most of the newly acquired players are under enormous pressure to produce, and public scrutiny of the franchise is on the rise. Going from a team that won six of its last seven games last season (including the postseason) to one that has dropped five of its first seven this season, despite all the spending in between, is hard for many at Redskins Park -- or around the NFL -- to fathom.

"They have the most expensive coaching staff ever assembled," the former team official said. "They have a head coach who won three Super Bowls, the most expensive payroll in history and an owner who will do anything for the head coach, give him whatever he wants. They went out and got all the players they wanted -- it's not like they didn't get their guys. But they're not good on offense or defense, they lead the league in penalties and they are an undisciplined football team. What's the excuse? What excuse could they possibly have?"

Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 11:43 am
by skinsfan#33
As far as I'm concerned there were two huge mistakes in the offseason. AA and Saunders! AA is the same type of player that clark was; good in run support, but bad in pass coverage, but he is worse in coverage nd cost almost three times as much. Could have had Clark, Walt Harris and Grady Jackson for the price of AA. Sunders is a damn fine coordinator, but this team would be better off if Gibbs was still calling the plays! Gibbs' offense put up better numbers with less tallent!

But if you ask me the biggest offseason blunders came the year before last. Smoot and Pierce. If we had kept both we could have Lemar Marshall, Pierce, and Washington as our starting LB and C Rog as our nikcle back , or we could have drafted Shawn "lights out" Merrimam instead of Roggers.

Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:14 pm
by ClintonHill
The one player on that list that I really wish we had was Matt Schaub. He was done really well subbing for Vick and it's only of matter of time until he's a full-time starter somewhere playing at very high level.


I don't understand the Schaub love. I think it's hype more than anything else. I don't think he's done anything to make himself a better prospect than J.Campbell.

Posted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:17 pm
by ClintonHill
skinsfan#33 wrote:As far as I'm concerned there were two huge mistakes in the offseason. AA and Saunders!


I think we need to give Saunders time. Gibbs offense wasn't exactly lighting the league on fire last year. Outside of about a 5 game stretch, Brunell & Co were very pedestrian.

I question the logic of bringing in Saunders at that point in time. But what's done is done. Saunders has a great track record and I think with more time (and less Brunell), it will prove to be a good move. I don't think Joe is going to remain a coach for much longer, so we might as well start on the next era in the Skins offense.

As frustrated as I am with this season, I don't think Saunders was a back-breaking mistake.