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I just red on the Washington Post that Gibbs is commited to Brunell and he won't change QB's, yestreday on the game Dick Stockton said the Redskins should know how good Campbell is before the season ends, we have 9 games left, how many games will JC play this year, if he plays less than 5 that won't matter at all, same old story as 04.

Well, technically, we still have a chance to make the playoffs (mathematically), and, according to Gibbs, MB gives us the best chance to get there. MB is supersmart, and he's a super guy, so Gibss will stick with him until all is lost.

joebagadonuts wrote:Well, technically, we still have a chance to make the playoffs (mathematically), and, according to Gibbs, MB gives us the best chance to get there. MB is supersmart, and he's a super guy, so Gibss will stick with him until all is lost.

I had my G/F laughing because I quoted Gibbs almost verbatim before he spoke yesterday.

Lets not forget that we have the greatest fans in the world. And we are all in this together.

frankcal20 wrote:Lets not forget that we have the greatest fans in the world.

Where are they hiding?

Behind the team bus that Gibbs forgot to stop at yesterday.

Wasn't that a crock, so sorry that he didn't stop and come back I have something for you? Tell me Coach Gibbs the only thing I want is for you to give us fans Brunell in a body bag!

Brunell in a body bag is a bit harsh. I would just like him to show a bit of emotion but I really don't remember him ever doing that. I would have loved for him to just flat out say, "We did good in the first half but we came out the 2nd half and stunk it up." Then if he said, "We all did and we are all in it together." I may say, "Yeah, I get you Gibbs." But he's so easy going about it and doesn't want to do anything that my get his team upset, I would just like to see some emotion.

That ha always been how he responds. He is emotionless in wins and losses. He may smile after a win, but that is about all.

do not worry fans all it not loss.

I remember the good wrote:Wasn't that a crock, so sorry that he didn't stop and come back I have something for you? Tell me Coach Gibbs the only thing I want is for you to give us fans Brunell in a body bag!

Hard to give credibility to anything someone says when their solutions include killing a player.

Y'know, I didn't think that MB played as horribly yesterday as he has in other games this year. He made some throws, and was under pressure quite a bit. However, I do believe that he could have played much better.

In fact, I think the Colts used his weakness against him. They kept the box full to stop the run, and kept the corners and outside 'backers up on the receivers to stop the screens and short dumps. So where's the hole in the defense, you ask? Deep. Single coverage. And they knew that we can't/won't go there. Game over.

Mark Brunell stinks. Everyone can see it except for Gibbs and the "real" Redskin fans. This defense is aweful and so is the offensive line. So with that said it is very likely this team is not going anywhere. So I see no reason why we shouldn't switch QB's.

I find it funny that people with my mindset will get bashed by the "real" fans on a consistant basis when their own way of blindly supporting the team is just as ridiculous. Wake up people....Brunell is part of the problem. No one would be screaming for change if we didn't have a young QB on the sideline. We need to find out what the guy is made of. This coaching staff overpaid for Brunell who is not worth the money or investment (3rd round pick). We also gave up too much for Campbell consider we aren't giving him a chance in a lost year (2 #1 draft picks).

This is where the blame comes on Gibbs. I know he is God to most of you but come on...those where 2 stupid moves made by the "man" himself. He also deserves blame in this and since he is the top dog he should get the brunt of it. End of Story.

I watched Gibbs postgame comments on redskins.com and in that interview he said didn't say anything either way that I remember. It sounded like they were going to look at everything this week including QB. Maybe I missed something. I can only imagine the boos at Fed Ex when Mark is introduced if he starts against Dallas. Gibbs is on the verge of losing the fans, as this board shows.

My question is this. If Gibbs does not play JC this year then who is the QB next year? If he feels bringing in Jason would be giving up on the season then why would he start him next year either? If this is true, then we have a real problem.

Gnome wrote:I watched Gibbs postgame comments on redskins.com and in that interview he said didn't say anything either way that I remember. It sounded like they were going to look at everything this week including QB. Maybe I missed something. I can only imagine the boos at Fed Ex when Mark is introduced if he starts against Dallas. Gibbs is on the verge of losing the fans, as this board shows.

Brian Mitchell on the Comcast post-game show interpreted Gibbs' praise of Brunell after the game to mean Brunell stays, at least for next week. I, like you, took Gibbs' remarks to be ambiguous, but B. Mitch probably knows Gibbs better than you and me. We'll see, but at this point, I'm expecting Brunell to stay, especially with the playoffs not officially out of reach yet.

dnpmakkah wrote:Mark Brunell stinks. Everyone can see it except for Gibbs and the "real" Redskin fans. This defense is aweful and so is the offensive line. So with that said it is very likely this team is not going anywhere. So I see no reason why we shouldn't switch QB's.

I find it funny that people with my mindset will get bashed by the "real" fans on a consistant basis when their own way of blindly supporting the team is just as ridiculous. Wake up people....Brunell is part of the problem. No one would be screaming for change if we didn't have a young QB on the sideline. We need to find out what the guy is made of. This coaching staff overpaid for Brunell who is not worth the money or investment (3rd round pick). We also gave up too much for Campbell consider we aren't giving him a chance in a lost year (2 #1 draft picks).

This is where the blame comes on Gibbs. I know he is God to most of you but come on...those where 2 stupid moves made by the "man" himself. He also deserves blame in this and since he is the top dog he should get the brunt of it. End of Story.

You've been saying the exact same thing since week 2 and, guess what?, there are still people with a different perspective than you.

Here's why I think that this isn't so much matter of logic but is mostly opinion and rhetoric. dnpmakkah, I'll provide my counterargument to your post:

"Mark Brunell is playing terribly but Campbell wouldn't be an immediate fix. Everyone can see it except for Brunell-haters. This defense has been awful and so has the offensive line. Pretty soon, it will be the case that this team is not going anywhere. So, once the season is all but done, I see no reason why we shouldn't switch QB's.

I find it funny that people with my mindset will get bashed by the "real" fans on a consistent basis when their own way of focusing on Brunell is just as ridiculous. Wake up people....Brunell is part of the problem. No one would be screaming for change if the rest of our team was playing better."

. . .and so on. I see your argument but I marvel that you keep acting as if its an open-and-shut case. Brunell is bad; Campbell is better. This season is over; Gibbs is the problem. As a fan, I'm still holding out a few more games to see what happens before I simply give up on this year.

You can tell me to 'wake up' to reality again if you want, but people have done that since week 1 and the Skins have had legitimate chances since then. As long as I see a legitimate chance I can't give up on this team or on the choices of coach Gibbs, who I have to admit is better at coaching than I am. . .

Save it for the Cowboys.

The last 2 games the Redskins scored 20+ pts. enough to win with a good defense, don't blame the QB.

SKINS#1 wrote:The last 2 games the Redskins scored 20+ pts. enough to win with a good defense, don't blame the QB.

You do realize that last TD was a freebie yesterday, don't you? That's something opposing teams are doing this year against us - shutting down Brunell for 3.5 quarters, and then allowing him to pad his stats with a strong final drive which makes him look good enough as a QB to keep his starting job. It's done as a courtesy to our next opponent, to keep Brunell in the game, and to keep JC on the bench. Dallas did it, NY tried to do it, and the Colts did it yesterday. Don't be fooled.

SKINS#1 wrote:The last 2 games the Redskins scored 20+ pts. enough to win with a good defense, don't blame the QB.

Even if you do want to give the offense credited for the first (aided by a big penatly) and the final (garbage time) touchdowns, they don't get credit for Randle El's punt return.

At 2-5, and exactly no easy games the rest of the season, how good or bad Mark Brunell is playing isn't really the point. One way or another, we need to figure out if Jason Campbell has a future in this organization. If he does, that's great, let's put him to work and get ready for 2007. If he doesn't, it's time to start working on Plan B for 2007 - and B better not stand for Brunell.

SKINS#1 wrote:The last 2 games the Redskins scored 20+ pts. enough to win with a good defense, don't blame the QB.

no, no, no no no. this is missing the point entirely, in oh so many ways.

first of all, the offense scored 14 points yesterday, not 20+. what's more, they had only scored 7 by the time the competetive portion of the game was over, deep into the 4th quarter. the last TD was purely cosmetic, earned against a "prevent" defense that was all too glad to give up that lonnnnnng drive for a score instead of a quike strike downfield.

secondly, the point is that when the "chips were down" in the last 2 games, and we were in a position where we were going to have to start moving downfield quickly, the offense was woefully incapable. horrible INT on 1st down to end the titans game, and in the colts game they literally did not even TRY to win the game. didn't even TRY. (and please, no absurd, pompous posts about "oh? they weren't trying? yes they were, i'm so smart", because throwing dumpoffs and running the ball consistently is not going to win a game when you're down by 3 TDs with 10 minutes left, and everyone on earth knows it, thanks).

the defense definitely deserves plenty of blame this year, but there are only minor adjustments we can make there. MB04 can't win games with this defense, so why keep sending him out there?

from this point forward, every game campbell doesn't start is 1 game farther behind we are in 2007. let's not waste 2 seasons at once by sticking with MB04.

Exactly. There are things that we can do nothing about until next year like our woefull db's, but QB is something we can build with.

Irn-Bru wrote:. . .and so on. I see your argument but I marvel that you keep acting as if its an open-and-shut case. Brunell is bad; Campbell is better. This season is over; Gibbs is the problem.

Well you missed my point completely. First of all I DID say Brunell is "part" of the problem and I never said Campbell is better. I said we need to play him to find out if he is our future. Why continue to play Brunell (we will continue to lose) only to waste this opportunity to find out "if" Campbell is the future. I see nothing wrong with that. I think we should get rid of Samuels (bust) & Jansen (past his prime). Hall and Frost should be gone and we need to upgrade the defensive line. We should have never brought in AA and Carter. Rogers has been a bust. He's not even a good second cornerback. BUT BUT BUT BUT...Brunell is also "part" of the problem. The only reason I/we focus on him is because our dumb coaching staff overpaid for him and then overpaid for a young QB whom we aren't playing. Either way you look at it was a dumb move by the HEAD COACH=GIBBS

Secondly, it is fairly obvious that anyone on this board who speaks out against Gibbbs, the Redskins, or Brunell gets smacked left and right. If you say "let's have a go with Brunell for a few more weeks" I could care less. However, if I say "we should play Campbell" someone will come in here and say "you're dumb, that's not going to solve anything.....wahhhh cry wahhh"

Thirdly. Gibbs is the HEAD MAN right? So as the HEAD MAN doesn't he deserve the blame. Yes and if people can't see that logic then there is no hope for them. Replace Gibbs with Spurrier and everyone would be crying "why is he keeping Brunell in there"...."Spurrier needs to go" but the fact that it's Gibbs people feel a need like they HAVE to respect him. He is just another coach and another human I could care less what he did. He won 3 superbowls during a span of a decade. He could go on and not win another one for 10 more years. What do I care. You have to be blind to not see this team going backwards both on defense and offense and that ultimately falls on the coach. I mean why else is he here. Just to get paid and not critiqued? I don't want him fired but he can't be given a free pass which so many of you give him.

Irn-Bru wrote:As a fan, I'm still holding out a few more games to see what happens before I simply give up on this year.

Ok...so I realized it much sooner than you.

Irn-Bru wrote:You can tell me to 'wake up' to reality again if you want, but people have done that since week 1 and the Skins have had legitimate chances since then. As long as I see a legitimate chance I can't give up on this team or on the choices of coach Gibbs, who I have to admit is better at coaching than I am. . .

Of course they have a legitamate chance every game. Brunell doesn't lose games for you but he also doesn't win them either. He won't turn it over, but he won't score either. This isn't about Brunells talents.....it's about wasting an opportunity to find out if Campbell is the man. Lets say we play Brunell all year only to lose every game and not make the playoffs. Then we start Campbell next year....so then the entire next season will be a rebuilding one. So then we can't truely expect to win until the 08 season? This is rubbish. We are 2-5. It's not like we are 2-2 and people are complaing. We are 2-5 one game ahead of both the Cardinals and the Raiders? Do you think they are bad teams yet somehow this team isnt?. We have lost 3 games in a row. Got crushed by 2 of them and are 0-2 in the NFC East and 0-3 in the NFC. Yes we still have a chance but its very slim.

Two things:

Last year, we only had one loss that was really a blowout (at New York) while the rest were winnable. This year, we already have three significant losses (at Dallas, at New York, at Indianapolis).

Second, last year, we had a fantastic record against the NFC, and only Tampa Bay held the tiebreaker over us. This year, we have already lost the tiebreaker to Minnesota and are incredibly close to losing it to New York and Dallas. In fact, if New York beat Dallas tonight, they will gain the tiebreaker over us.

The point is, last year, we were a "good" 5-6, because we were still 5-2 against the NFC and 2-1 against the NFC East. This year, we are a "bad" 2-5 because we are 0-3 against the NFC and 0-2 against the NFC East. There isn't really a comparison between 2005 and 2006.

Yes, we still have a chance of making the playoffs this season, and I understand not wanting to give up on those chances, however small they might be. But at some point, we need to ask ourselves when not giving up on this season is in some way giving up on next season by not getting Campbell work that will really help him.

Joe Gibbs thinks Mark Brunell is the cats meow.

If JG is coaching the team next year even if we don't win another game this year in all likelyhood Mark Brunell will be the qb collecting that fat $$$ Gibbs told Snyder to pay him. Thats what I think this comes down to. Joe when he came back told Snyder "I've figured out your QB problem" and said we need a veteran how about Mark Brunell, at that moment JG put not only his reputation on the line for a washed up QB but also alot of Snyder's $$$ and not to mention the promising career of PRAM. 1 mistake usually doesn't mess up a entire team but when that mistake is at QB and there is blatant, defiant, downright stubborn refusal to correct it, then its a wrap. We're done with mark.