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Karma?

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:10 pm
by Jake
This is an intersting, different kind of read.

Wheel of Life Rolls Over the Redskins

By John Kelly
Thursday, October 19, 2006; Page B01

As a Redskins fan, I grieve for the team. But I also take a bit of pleasure in its recent woes. It's not that I don't want the team to win -- it's that losing makes a certain cosmic sense.

What I'm talking about is karma, or, as those of us raised in Western religious traditions might put it: What goes around comes around.

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Maharagama Dhammasiri says,
Maharagama Dhammasiri says, "We are what we were; we will be what we are." (By John Kelly -- The Washington Post)

And what exactly has gone around? Well, if you're talking about Redskins owner Dan Snyder -- and I am -- that list would have to include:

Hiking ticket prices, building seats behind pillars at FedEx Field, replacing one strong radio signal with three crummy ones, renting Tom Cruise and basically trying to extract every last nickel from Redskins fans until they're left gasping like fish on a beach, too poor to slake their burning thirst with an overpriced beer.

Lose to the 0-5 Tennessee Titans? It's karma, man.

Or at least I thought it was. Just to be sure, I checked with M aharagama Dhammasiri, president of the Washington Buddhist Vihara on 16th Street NW. It turns out that karma is a complicated business.

"One cannot say for sure at once that something happening right now is because of karma," said Bhante Dhammasiri. ("Bhante" is an honorific meaning "monk.") "It is like planting something. When we do something like planting a seed, it takes time to grow up the tree or plant. And it takes time to have fruit from that tree."

Karma is cumulative. If Snyder is suffering now, it's not because he went through four head coaches in five years -- it's because of things he did in a previous life.

I asked Bhante Dhammasiri whether people in positions of power had special responsibilities when it came to karma. He said they did: "Sometimes when it is about a ruler, then this karma has interactions. It affects the other people, too."

He said that in terms of the Redskins' troubles, "this may be the karma of the owner of the company, the karma of the players and the karma of the people who watch."

Uh-oh. The people who watch? The fans might be responsible for a playoff bid slipping from the team's grasp ?

"Don't you agree with me?"

Yes, but . . .

"You don't like that," he said, laughing.

No, Bhante, I most certainly do not.

"When something happens to us in Buddhism, it teaches us to blame ourselves."

This may be why we'll never have a Buddhist president.

Bhante Dhammasiri, 57, is originally from Sri Lanka but has lived in Washington for 20 years. I asked if he had ever been to a Redskins game.

"No," he said. "We are Buddhist monks. We don't go after the worldly pleasures."

I think a Skins game this season would be all right, then. There's nothing pleasurable about witnessing our team's inability to convert a third down. The monk picked up on my proprietary language.

"The suffering comes because we think this is mine," he said. "This is my team. If they lose, this means I lose. The idea of 'mine' gives you suffering. When you don't hold on to that, there is no suffering, because it is not mine. If it is mine it must behave as I want, but it never does."

That is so true. On Sunday I was screaming at the TV, "Give the ball to Portis! Give the ball to Portis!" But did they listen?

Bhante Dhammasiri offered a memorable description of the effect of karma on our lives: "We are what we were; we will be what we are -- that is how we say this."

Yes, but what we were was a perennial Super Bowl contender.

"Everything is impermanent," Bhante Dhammasiri said. "When we are happy, we think we are always happy. But, no -- happiness will come, and sadness."

He said that the wheel of life spins continuously, fluctuating between gain and loss, fame and infamy, happiness and suffering . . .

"The more you are attached to something, the more you are going to suffer," he said. "You are so attached to the team, that is why you are suffering when they are defeated."

Suffering, yes, but as I said earlier, also experiencing a small amount of joy. I even have word for what I'm feeling: Snyderfreude.

I'll probably pay for this in a future life.


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 898_2.html

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:14 pm
by hatsOFF2gibbs
Ok, this is weird. We're comparing the Redskins to Buddism? hahaha...ok whatever.

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:20 pm
by ii7-V7
I read that article. Its pretty funny!

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:36 pm
by Jake
hatsOFF2gibbs wrote:Ok, this is weird. We're comparing the Redskins to Buddism? hahaha...ok whatever.


The guy isn't comparing the Redskins to Buddhism.

He just asked a Buddhist monk the reason for their recent failures and the reason the team is in the state it is in.

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:47 pm
by Skinna Mob
Different...but good read Jake. And actually, I feel like that sometimes...like "its my team, and maybe its because of me they lost"...just depressing to try and place logic on it!

Thanks Jake

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 9:23 pm
by Jake
Skinna Mob wrote:Different...but good read Jake. And actually, I feel like that sometimes...like "its my team, and maybe its because of me they lost"...just depressing to try and place logic on it!


I agree. I have always been close to and strongly cared for the team which is probably the root of why I take everything the team does so seriously and get so emotional whether it be through cheering or booing.

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 9:28 pm
by BossHog
Wow, great article. :roll:

Asking a guy who knows nothing about football for his take on the Redskins?

Couldn't we just pick up the Post itself for that?

:twisted:

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 10:11 pm
by Irn-Bru
I wonder what the implications are for fans and fan behavior. . . :twisted:

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 10:51 pm
by Jake
BossHog wrote:Wow, great article. :roll:

Asking a guy who knows nothing about football for his take on the Redskins?

Couldn't we just pick up the Post itself for that?

:twisted:


It wasn't about Redskins news or scoop.

Note that it was in the METRO section, not the SPORTS section. The guy isn't a sports reporter.

It's a humorus piece.

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 10:53 pm
by Jake
Irn-Bru wrote:I wonder what the implications are for fans and fan behavior. . . :twisted:


I think the gist of the article kind of answers your question. The implication of our behavior is the losing records being produced by the franchise year-in and year-out.

Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 11:09 pm
by xhadow
BossHog wrote:Wow, great article. :roll:

Asking a guy who knows nothing about football for his take on the Redskins?

Couldn't we just pick up the Post itself for that?

:twisted:


Or any other printed sports source for that matter.

I think feeling like _____ when the skins loose is directly proportionate to the the greatness that you feel when they have a big win. Who wasn't high on emotion last year when OUR team won their way into the playoffs. I only wish that the winning was more consistant. espically in games that we should win.

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 8:01 am
by joebagadonuts
I think Snyder was Napoleon in his past life. And we suffer for it.

"Raising Ticket Prices"

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:22 pm
by poper2
Don't forget jacking up the parking prices. $40 to park per game?? This is ridiculous. If it's Karma for Snyder, then I think bad things are still to come.

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 3:14 pm
by UK Skins Fan
joebagadonuts wrote:I think Snyder was Napoleon in his past life. And we suffer for it.

Oh no, I'm not having that. Call him what you like, but don't tell me he's a Frenchman.

For what it's worth, I'm going to go with the buddhists on this one - I blame myself.

Posted: Fri Oct 20, 2006 4:27 pm
by SkinsJock
I'm not happy about how we have done this season and am convinced that these players and coaches are going to turn this all around.

I know its partly my fault UK so don't lose too much sleep about it - just keep away from the cliffs :twisted:

Posted: Sat Oct 21, 2006 8:21 am
by patjam77
What they need to do is consult a voodoo witch doctor!!! I mean the last 15 years has defied all logical sense. Personel and management has changed but the same problems still plague this team. A curse is all that is left to me to ponder!!! We need some help man!!!